• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

TheDemSocialist

Gradualist
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 13, 2011
Messages
34,951
Reaction score
16,311
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Socialist
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. will pay $81 million after pleading guilty to criminal charges the company dumped hazardous waste across California, a company spokeswoman said Tuesday.Wal-Mart entered the plea in San Francisco federal court to misdemeanor counts of negligently dumping pollutants from its stores into sanitation drains across the state, spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan said.
As part of the plea, the company will pay the substantial fine that also will cover charges in Missouri.
The plea agreements announced Tuesday end a nearly decade-old investigation involving more than 20 prosecutors and 32 environmental groups.
In 2010, the company agreed to pay $27.6 million to settle similar allegations made by California authorities that led to the overhaul of its hazardous waste compliance program nationwide. The state investigation began eight years ago when a San Diego County health department employee saw a worker pouring bleach down a drain.

Federal prosecutors said the company didn't train its employees on how to handle and dispose hazardous materials at its stores.



Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart.
 
have no labor standards

Responsibility of the host nation.

putting mom and pop stores out of business

You could argue that they put themselves out of business by not being competitive.

treating their employees like ****

As long as it's legal, that's fine.



I hate Walmart plenty, but I'm not going to dump on them for lawful practices. They should contribute monetarily to the cleanup because that was unlawful. If they have illegal practices, they should be called out on it. They also shouldn't receive corporate subsidies.

However, I don't agree with socialist sensationalism like "they put other stores out of business" and "they're mean to their employees". That's just whining.
 
Agreed with Gipper on the laundry list. However, for this illegal activity they should be fined, but about ten times that amount and they should NOT be able to write the fine off on their taxes. This basically amounts to intentionally poisoning loads of people.
 
Agreed with Gipper on the laundry list. However, for this illegal activity they should be fined, but about ten times that amount and they should NOT be able to write the fine off on their taxes. This basically amounts to intentionally poisoning loads of people.

Yeah it definitely shouldn't count as a write-off. It simply makes no sense.
 
If a company breaks the law they should be held accountable.

As a whole I like Walmart though, I know that they do a lot to provide low cost products to lower income individuals. They also have one of the most humane and ethical pharmacy operations out there.
 
If a company breaks the law they should be held accountable.

As a whole I like Walmart though, I know that they do a lot to provide low cost products to lower income individuals. They also have one of the most humane and ethical pharmacy operations out there.

Do their drug-dudes out there require a BS in Pharmacology, or do they have to have a PharmD?
 
Do their drug-dudes out there require a BS in Pharmacology, or do they have to have a PharmD?

Depends. The PharmD was mandated for all new licensed pharmacists in the early 90's, it has been offered though for many years prior though, most who got it worked in hospitals or clinical settings. Prior to 2000 if you wanted to do community you needed to get the B.S.Pharm. Older pharmacists usually have the B.S.Pharm that work in community settings. What their pharmacy does do though is close down for lunch so staff can take a lunch break.
 
big deal ... it's what their CEOs drop for lunch on a regular basis ...
 
Depends. The PharmD was mandated for all new licensed pharmacists in the early 90's, it has been offered though for many years prior though, most who got it worked in hospitals or clinical settings. Prior to 2000 if you wanted to do community you needed to get the B.S.Pharm. Older pharmacists usually have the B.S.Pharm that work in community settings. What their pharmacy does do though is close down for lunch so staff can take a lunch break.

Cool. I was just curious.

Now we can all go back to Walmart and pollution.
 
Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]


Yea. And I wonder how many people in their own homes should be fined? Perhaps jail for Mom or Dad for pouring bleach down the drain?

Leave it to California to ignore the elephant, but go after the money. Is there any reason to doubt why California is considered one of the worst states to do business in?

20 prosecutors and 32 environmental groups? It's a miracle anyone has a job in California...
 
Who most loves WalMart is Obama, who gave WalMart's 4 heirs worth $20 Billion each exemption from ObamaCare because at $20 Billion each they were too poor to pay it. However, mom and pop businesses can afford it - meaning they can't compete with WalMart for higher employee costs.
 
Yea. And I wonder how many people in their own homes should be fined? Perhaps jail for Mom or Dad for pouring bleach down the drain?

In every state I've lived in, you get caught pouring say, motor oil, down the drain and it's a huge fine. Homeowners/renters included.

Leave it to California to ignore the elephant, but go after the money. Is there any reason to doubt why California is considered one of the worst states to do business in?

20 prosecutors and 32 environmental groups? It's a miracle anyone has a job in California...

Be that as it may, Walmart got caught doing this, there's no debate on that. I'm not defending California's anti-business stance, but I sure won't condone Walmart, or anyone, dumping toxic waste.
 
Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Wal Mart didn't put those mom-n-pop joints out of business; the government did. All those wonderful government regulations--such as EPA regulations--are so costly, that only mega corps can afford to operate under them.

You think Miss Jerry's Department Store--an actual store that used to be open in my hometown--can afford an $81 million bill to our greedy ass government?

You wanna decry greed? Start with the government.
 
Wal Mart didn't put those mom-n-pop joints out of business; the government did. All those wonderful government regulations--such as EPA regulations--are so costly, that only mega corps can afford to operate under them.

You think Miss Jerry's Department Store--an actual store that used to be open in my hometown--can afford an $81 million bill to our greedy ass government?

You wanna decry greed? Start with the government.

:roll:
Yup yup yup gov gov gov.
This reminds me while I was canvassing back in 2010 and a ran across someone who said "no it wasnt the deregulation of the economy that lead to the financial collapse it was big government".
Denial denial denial it only goes so far.
 
:roll:
Yup yup yup gov gov gov.
This reminds me while I was canvassing back in 2010 and a ran across someone who said "no it wasnt the deregulation of the economy that lead to the financial collapse it was big government".
Denial denial denial it only goes so far.

It wasn't deregulation of the economy. You're exactly right, because the economy didn't get deregulated. It was government regulation of the lending industry that caused the collapse. The sub-prime mortgage scheme was a government inventon.

In fact, the architect of the sub-pri mortgage is one of The One's appointees--Penny Pritzker.
 
Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Know what I always wonder when I read these stories? "Did the guys who actually did the dumping go to jail??" Why are corporations allowed to buy their way out of law breaking? We ought to start setting some new precedents.
 
This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Cheap labor primarily produces cheap goods which are sold to poor people. In otherwords, you'd rather have everything made as expensive as possible so the poor can't eat. Good for you.
 
Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Target is next. I understand the democrats want to go after Target for selling things made from cloth made out of cotton raised in slave labor type situations. You really need to keep up with the list of evil corporations. It grows every day.

Oh way, I forgot, Michelle Obama shops at Target. Never mind--that explains everything.......
 

Walmart has done more for American families than the government could ever dream of doing... the product of efficiency and staying close to the consumer.

They've done it how?

  1. Started in the small town of Bentonville Arkansas and then moved to towns of about 5,000 people.
  2. Sought to buy products at the lowest possible price and pass savings on to the consumer.
  3. They sought to take out the middle man who only added cost and no value.
  4. They were the pioneers of using computers to make operations efficient.
  5. They created a system of hubs to grow. Shipping was centralized and from these centers they grew outwards.
  6. They offered employees stocks, and many became wealthy. They still offer stock options.
  7. They didn't build monuments to themselves; they stayed lean.
  8. They obviously treat employees well enough... because unions have had a bugger of a time "organizing" them.
  9. They developed systems to reduce "shrinkage".

All this has saved American families more than $2500 annually. And competitors have had to follow. As stated earlier... they achieve what the government claims to do but never does.

When WalMart started... it was JC Penny, KMart, Sears and others at the helm. These companies got rich, then fat, and lazy.

For the small shops, their days were always numbered, and the only way they could survive was by being close to their customer.

You don't like WalMart going to 3rd world countries to have products produced? What? You want them to be unemployed? You want them to have Western standards they cannot yet afford? Ask Warren Buffet what it was like running textile company in America.

You should read Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations. You don't produce nails if someone else can do it cheaper.


And a word from Charlie Munger on the nostalgia of small town stores... he used to work in a small store, as did Warren Buffett... in fact the same store.
"I believe that the world is better for having Wal-Mart."
A CASE STUDY IN ECONOMIES VS. DISECONOMICS
- WAL-MART VERSUS SEARS, ROEBUCK.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A chain store can be a fantastic enterprise.

Munger: On the subject of advantages of economies of scale, I find chain stores quite interesting.
Just think about it. The concept of a chain store was a fascinating invention. You get this huge
purchasing power - which means that you have lower merchandise costs. You get a whole bunch
of little laboratories outthere in which you can conduct experiments. And you get specialization.
If one little guy is trying to buy across 27 different merchandise categories influenced by
traveling salesmen, he's going to make a lot of dumb decisions. But if your buying is done in
headquarters for a huge bunch of stores, you can get very bright people that know a lot about
refrigerators and so forth to do the buying.

The reverse is demonstrated by the little store where one guy is doing all the buying. It's like the
old story about the little store with salt all over its walls. And a stranger comes in and says to the
store owner, "You must sell a lot of salt." And he replies, "No, I don't. But you should see the
guy who sells me salt."

So there are huge purchasing advantages. And then there are the slick systems of forcing
everyone to do what works. So a chain store can be a fantastic enterprise.
Sam Walton played the game harder and better than anyone.

Munger: It's quite interesting to think about Wal-Mart starting from a single store in Bentonville,
Arkansas - against Sears Roebuck with its name, reputation and all of its billions. How does a
guy in Bentonville, Arkansas with no money blow right by Sears, Roebuck?
And he does it in his
own lifetime - in fact, during his own late lifetime because he was already pretty old by the time
he started out with one little store....

He played the chain store game harder and better than anyone else. Walton invented practically
nothing. But he copied everything anybody else ever did that was smart - and he did it with more
fanaticism and better employee manipulation. So he just blew right by them all.


And he had a very shrewd strategy....

Munger: He also had a very interesting competitive strategy in the early days. He was like a prize
fighter who wanted a great record so he could be in the finals and make a big TV hit. So what did
he do? He went out and fought 42 palookas. Right? And the result was knockout, knockout,
knockout - 42 times.


Walton, being as shrewd as he was, basically broke other small town merchants in the early days.
With his more efficient system
, he might not have been able to tackle some titan head-on at the
time. But with his better system, he could sure as hell destroy those small town merchants. And
he went around doing it time after time after time. Then, as he got bigger, he started destroying
the big boys
.

Well, that was a very, very shrewd strategy.

I believe that the world is better for having Wal-Mart.

Munger: You can say, "Is this a nice way to behave?" Well, capitalism is a pretty brutal place.
But I personally think that the world is better for having Wal-Mart. I mean you can idealize small
town life. But I've spent a fair amount of time in small towns. And let me tell you - you shouldn't
get too idealistic about all those businesses he destroyed
.

Plus, a lot of people who work at Wal-Mart are very high grade, bouncy people who are raising
nice children. I have no feeling that an inferior culture destroyed a superior culture. I think that is
nothing more than nostalgia and delusion
. But, at any rate. it's an interesting model of how the
scale of things and fanaticism combine to be very powerful.

Sears was a classic case study in diseconomics.

Munger: And it's also an interesting model on the other side - how with all its great advantages,
the disadvantages of bureaucracy did such terrible damage to Sears, Roebuck. Sears had layers
and layers of people it didn't need. It was very bureaucratic. It was slow to think. And there was
an established way of thinking. If you poked your head up with a new thought, the system kind
of turned against you. It was everything in the way of a dysfunctional big bureaucracy that you
would expect.

In all fairness, there was also much that was good about it. But it just wasn't as lean and mean
and shrewd and effective as Sam Walton. And, in due time, all their advantages of scale were not
enough to prevent Sears from losing heavily to Wal-Mart and other similar retailers.


Link is a pdf.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...pTRooPNHM7dPeYBKXKW-tZQ&bvm=bv.47008514,d.bGE
 
Last edited:
In every state I've lived in, you get caught pouring say, motor oil, down the drain and it's a huge fine. Homeowners/renters included.



Be that as it may, Walmart got caught doing this, there's no debate on that. I'm not defending California's anti-business stance, but I sure won't condone Walmart, or anyone, dumping toxic waste.

I agree about the issue of toxic waste. But really, how many people know that something they put in their clothes washer (bleach) is considered toxic waste to California's watch dogs? 20 prosecutors? 32 environmental groups?

Let's get real here.
 
WalMart is a disaster for the USA as it is slow economic suicide. Or rather the last stages of it.

WalMart essentially requires suppliers/vendors to go to China. Each year, WalMart will demand that a vendor reduce it's price to WalMart by 1 to 2%. It also tends to buy from a single company - meaning the production field narrows down to one - and that one totally dependent on WalMart. As the company approaches being no longer profitable, WalMart will provide experts to lead the company to shutting down its USA production and shifting it to China. Either do that or WalMart will find a company that will - or just assume production in China itself - thus having totally 100% eliminated American production of that product.

WalMart also has created consumers fully accepting extremely short-life crap products - meaning their products aren't cheap, but rather very costly. The same product in WalMart generally will be crappier than elsewhere, even if by the same company. As a result, people have to buy the same item over and over and over.

When I needed some electrical connections late at night, I went to WalMart. I had to throw them away because the metal was so thin as to be essentially unusable and outright dangerous. However, you had to peel away the plastic coating to see the difference. Not only will WalMart products last a shorter time, they are deliberately meant to. If the vacume cleaner you bought breaks 14 months later, what are you doing to do? Go back to WalMart and buy another. In a lifetime then you buy 15 vacume cleaners.

Consumers have been conditioned to accept this. Federal law requires ALL new products last a reasonable amount of time as a guaranteed warranty. But now? You buy something and they ask if you want to buy a "protection plan for 1 year." 1 YEAR? You have to pay an extra 15% to cover it likely breaking within a year?

I read a study sometime ago that explained that the wealthy actually spend less on furniture than the middle class, because the wealthy buy top quality. It is not only superior in appearance, but lasts a lifetime. The middle class will buy furniture that lasts 5 to 10 years. So they buy 4 to 5 times as much. The same for quality clothing. There are stores my wife will not buy any clothing or linens from because they fall apart quickly.

WalMart is leading the last destruction of American production with the lost jobs and economic base plus forever increasing the debt, while replacing quality products with crap designed to break quickly.

Contrary to belief, WalMart is not the cheapest place to shop. In the long run it is the most expensive.
 
Last edited:
Walmart is America's biggest private employer. Give them some slack. Besides, look at all they have done for towns across the country by delivering quality goods at a decent price to them so they don't have to pay the overinflated prices of the local producers and sellers. Hey, I say let them pollute as much as the want as long as it benefits the consumers and they continue to accumulate more capital that eventually will trickle down and make the nation's poor well off.
 
Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]

If Mom and Pop businesses dumped hazardous waste in the rivers, that would be okay right? BTW, prove Mom and Pop businesses only buy American.
 
WalMart is a disaster for the USA as it is slow economic suicide. Or rather the last stages of it.
ROTFLOL...

WalMart essentially requires suppliers/vendors to go to China.
Not true. But if some go to China, it's because all the hassles of doing business in America run up the costs of doing business to the point of having to leave. There are many other countries other than China that deliver low cost products... and to stay competitive... companies around the world are looking at these less expensive manufacturing bases.


Each year, WalMart will demand that a vendor reduce it's price to WalMart by 1 to 2%.
Source please... because this type of blanket statement makes zero sense.

It also tends to buy from a single company - meaning the production field narrows down to one - and that one totally dependent on WalMart.
The market is far larger than one company... and sometimes companies do have the brunt of their business tied to WalMart. It's their choice. Snapper for example had a deal with WalMart and decided to exit it. Companies are free to choose.
As the company approaches being no longer profitable, WalMart will provide experts to lead the company to shutting down its USA production and shifting it to China. Either do that or WalMart will find a company that will - or just assume production in China itself - thus having totally 100% eliminated American production of that product.
Blame overbearing government, blame unions, blame things like an artificial minimum wage. It's a competitive world, and if we price ourselves out of a certain business, don't blame companies that go overseas to escape these burdens to provide for their customer. The world, and companies do not stop and wait for idiotic American policies.

WalMart also has created consumers fully accepting extremely short-life crap products - meaning their products aren't cheap, but rather very costly. The same product in WalMart generally will be crappier than elsewhere, even if by the same company. As a result, people have to buy the same item over and over and over.
If WalMart sold crap... they would be out of business... period.

When I needed some electrical connections late at night, I went to WalMart. I had to throw them away because the metal was so thin as to be essentially unusable and outright dangerous.
Wrong again. Products have to go through UL, and WalMart won't sell products that are a risk to human life. It would be suicide to do so.

However, you had to peel away the plastic coating to see the difference. Not only will WalMart products last a shorter time, they are deliberately meant to. If the vacume cleaner you bought breaks 14 months later, what are you doing to do? Go back to WalMart and buy another. In a lifetime then you buy 15 vacume cleaners.
This is one ridiculous statement piled atop of another. I have a friend who is an engineer in the business of testing materials for products. They are produced to have a lifetime, and when I asked him how long household products are designed to last, he said about 10-years.
I read a study sometime ago that explained that the wealthy actually spend less on furniture than the middle class, because the wealthy buy top quality. It is not only superior in appearance, but lasts a lifetime. The middle class will buy furniture that lasts 5 to 10 years. So they buy 4 to 5 times as much. The same for quality clothing. There are stores my wife will not buy any clothing or linens from because they fall apart quickly.
The wealthy also pay a top price... probably a few times to 10-times or more the price of mass produced products. For the middle class, they know what they are buying, and many do so knowing they'll want to change styles in some years. Same with clothing. You can buy clothing styled in the manner of top brands that charge hundreds of dollars per garment for 10% the price. With the changing styles every season, it makes sense for the masses to buy less expensive clothes.

You really think the consumers are a bunch of idiots.
WalMart is leading the last destruction of American production with the lost jobs and economic base plus forever increasing the debt, while replacing quality products with crap designed to break quickly.
And now we come to the end of one long post about pure BS.

If America wanted to keep those jobs, they should of thought how to do it long, long ago. The US Government and decades of socialist and overbearing legislation, combined with idiotic unions has cost America competitiveness in the market....

... and the Invisible Hand simply moved those jobs to where it is more economical.

Contrary to belief, WalMart is not the cheapest place to shop. In the long run it is the most expensive.
Wrong again... for if that were true... WalMart would have been out of business long, long ago. WalMart saves the American family about $2500 per year, and the competition has become leaner as well. Those that didn't... failed... just as your post is one big Joko and a massive failure.
 
Last edited:
Read more @: Walmart Pleads Guilty To Dumping Hazardous Waste, Will Pay $81 Million

This is another reason why Walmart sucks, other than dumping wastes they also getting their **** from 3rd world countries who have no labor standards, putting mom and pop stores out of business, treating their employees like ****. The list can go on and on. But hey, throw another one up for Walmart. [/FONT][/COLOR]

No surprise here, but thanks for the news. I never shop at Wal Mart.
 
Back
Top Bottom