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Report: Nearly a quarter of all Americans struggle to afford food

We do endless subsidies, soil banking, government purchase of ag goods and you wonder why we have food distribution issues? We have institutionalized price controls that ensure prince increases and poor distribution. Its a big circle, and food stamps are part of the problem as well. The bigger that program gets, the less efficiency we are likely to have. It circumvents supply and demand in a myriad of ways.
 
As cheap as they are now...

Cell phones are a utility. Should we take bets on how many of them have electricity? How about indoor plumbing? Or access to refrigeration?

What I see is a complete failure of the welfare programs as they exist now. People don't need cash, they need food and a place to live.
And dollar bills for the strippers.

No...I actually agree with you. NO money should be given for welfare services. Where needed, and there is legitimate need, the rent, utilities, and even food should be directly allocated. People that have proven they cant provide for their own responsibilities damn sure shouldnt be given a visa card with cash.
 
A nerve? No. I'm just shocked at how many of you fit the stereotype.
Right...the stereotype that expects people to provide for themselves? Yep...guilty.
 
Ziiiiing...I think we have struck a nerve...

little wonder
all those reich wing evangelical Christians posting while wearing their WWJD bracelets
oblivious to Christ and his advocacy for the 'least among us'
bunch of hypocrites
 
Would you like me to link literally dozens of smart phones you can get for free with a two-year contract?

A free phone. Hahaha. Sucker born every minute, I suppose.

And what comes with a two-year contract???

Come on, turn those rusty wheels in your brain. I know you can do it. Here's some WD-40. I believe in you!

Here. I'll help you out. BILLS!!!!!!!
 
As cheap as they are now...

Cell phones are a utility. Should we take bets on how many of them have electricity? How about indoor plumbing? Or access to refrigeration?

What I see is a complete failure of the welfare programs as they exist now. People don't need cash, they need food and a place to live.

My point is that a self-reported statistic like that can be misleading because it includes people who choose to buy a variety of amenities like a smart phone with a data plan and then end up with less money than they would like to buy groceries. For some people, after they pay their cell phone bill, their internet and cable bill, their car payment, their car insurance payment, etc etc they end up with less of their paycheck left than they would like to spend on groceries.

The OP's statistic implies that 1/4 of Americans are in danger of going hungry or starving. That's not true for the kind of person I just described even though they would be included in the OP's statistic. When push comes to shove, the kind of person I described could cut out a lot of amentities and luxuries in their life if they actually found themselves facing starvation. I'm willing to wager that a significant portion of that 25% fit into this category. Not all, but a significant portion.
 
From the article.....
The United States is a clear outlier from this pattern. Despite being the richest country in the survey, nearly a quarter of Americans (24%) say they had trouble putting food on the table in the past 12 months. This reported level of deprivation is closer to that in Indonesia or Greece rather than Britain or Canada.

I may not be an Obama fan but I'm not one of the "get rid of government" people either. I don't feel that anyone in America should not be able to eat. That being said, I find this to be very subjective with its implication that somebody actually had zero food for any of 3 meals a day. I live in a poor zip code and I rent to low income people, all of whom have a net worth of LESS THAN ZERO. I know that they pay their rent from paycheck to paycheck and I rnt way below market. Yet, I don't know that any of them are actually hungry - as in had nothing to eat. I know that in Sudan and Etiopia there are people actually starving. But I'm curious if anybody here knows of anyone who could not eat today for lack of resources.

I have tenants who don't have cars or smart phones. They might have a basic cell phone. They might be near having their utilities turned off. They sure don't have money management skills. But hungry?

I'm in this thread to learn, not to challenge the OP. I'm more interested in anecdotal evidence rather than links to agenda based publications.

Thank you.
 
Despite the propaganda, most of our food inequities are a result of high unemployment rates, the shrinking of the middle class, and the gutting of public systems.

Some will rebut this by saying that it's our social spending which accounts for the greater burden, but that's not the original source of our burden. We were able to support all our social systems, including social security, prior to the Bush tax cuts for top corporate businesses and the wealthy. Before I'm accused of being partisan, Obama renewed those tax cuts and I was also against it then.

Because the wealthy have tax immunity right now, the only place left to take from is the middle class. The pittance that most people on welfare receive from the government every month is usually only enough for rent, if that. The social stigma that people are living it up on the government dime is so overplayed that I'm nauseated every time I hear it. Try being a social worker and you will quickly find out the reality.

As for relief charities like food banks and shelters, there are simply not enough -- not in the way government can organize relief. It's like saying we should put disaster relief into the hands of charities. It just couldn't help everyone.

Our congress has been hijacked by corporations and the financial sector. Policy is made for them now. Isn't it obvious? Obama is not a socialist. He is part and parcel with the globalists, and Bush who came before him.
 
Despite the propaganda, most of our food inequities are a result of high unemployment rates, the shrinking of the middle class, and the gutting of public systems.

Some will rebut this by saying that it's our social spending which accounts for the greater burden, but that's not the original source of our burden. We were able to support all our social systems, including social security, prior to the Bush tax cuts for top corporate businesses and the wealthy. Before I'm accused of being partisan, Obama renewed those tax cuts and I was also against it then.

Because the wealthy have tax immunity right now, the only place left to take from is the middle class. The pittance that most people on welfare receive from the government every month is usually only enough for rent, if that. The social stigma that people are living it up on the government dime is so overplayed that I'm nauseated every time I hear it. Try being a social worker and you will quickly find out the reality.

As for relief charities like food banks and shelters, there are simply not enough -- not in the way government can organize relief. It's like saying we should put disaster relief into the hands of charities. It just couldn't help everyone.

Our congress has been hijacked by corporations and the financial sector. Policy is made for them now. Isn't it obvious? Obama is not a socialist. He is part and parcel with the globalists, and Bush who came before him.

Support for social systems has doubled since the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. So how exactly did giving the middle class a huge tax cut reduce that support?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/hist03z1.xls

2001 spending on social systems - 1.2 trillion
2012 - 2.3 trillion
 
Support for social systems has doubled since the Bush tax cuts for the middle class. So how exactly did giving the middle class a huge tax cut reduce that support?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2014/assets/hist03z1.xls

2001 spending on social systems - 1.2 trillion
2012 - 2.3 trillion

Spending increased as unemployment increased, and unemployment increased because our manufacturing sector got gutted along with unions as we sold our jobs and worker rights to China.

It all goes back to what the financial elites are doing to this country. More people on the tit of government because the government turned its back on responsible monetary policy, something which Bush exacerbated and Obama followed through on when we gave trillions to Wallstreet.
 
If we really have people without enough to eat, it is not the fault of the federal government spending too little on welfare:

The government spent approximately $1.03 trillion on 83 means-tested federal welfare programs in fiscal year 2011 alone — a price tag that makes welfare that year the government’s largest expenditure, according to new data released by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee.
Read more: Govt spent $1.028 trillion on welfare in FY 2011 | The Daily Caller

Figuring a hundred million taxpayers, which is not exact, but close enough for government work, that is ten thousand dollars each on average.
 
little wonder
all those reich wing evangelical Christians posting while wearing their WWJD bracelets
oblivious to Christ and his advocacy for the 'least among us'
bunch of hypocrites
You really think Jesus would advocate creating generations of pathetic crippled dependent pets? Somehow I doubt that...I recall something about teaching a man to fish, and all that. But I know you like your voters weak and dependent...they make great pets.
 
You really think Jesus would advocate creating generations of pathetic crippled dependent pets? Somehow I doubt that...I recall something about teaching a man to fish, and all that. But I know you like your voters weak and dependent...they make great pets.

i hear you
no way would Christ have fed the multitudes
 
i hear you
no way would Christ have fed the multitudes
There is a difference between a meal to 'the multitudes' on a pilgrimage and creating 4-5 generation deep crippled and dependent pets. Always good to see you turning to religion though Bubba. Now...all you have to do is gather up all your liberal brethren and do yourself what you expect the government to do and of your own free will.
 
There is a difference between a meal to 'the multitudes' on a pilgrimage and creating 4-5 generation deep crippled and dependent pets. Always good to see you turning to religion though Bubba. Now...all you have to do is gather up all your liberal brethren and do yourself what you expect the government to do and of your own free will.

then you recognize Christ did not say to the multitudes, go fish for yourself
then why would a Christian insist on that today rather than feeding the hungry as Christ did
the hypocrisy of the reich wing evangelicals is deafening
pretend to worship but ignore what the deity has expressed
 
then you recognize Christ did not say to the multitudes, go fish for yourself
then why would a Christian insist on that today rather than feeding the hungry as Christ did
the hypocrisy of the reich wing evangelicals is deafening
pretend to worship but ignore what the deity has expressed
I don't know what version of Christ you follow bubba, but the one I follow doesn't promote creating systems designed to keep people dependent on others.
But again...it's awesome to see you are so drive. By religious belief. It's inspirational. Now...get busy doing what you pretend to care about. Get busy doing what you want others to pay for.
 
I don't know what version of Christ you follow bubba, but the one I follow doesn't promote creating systems designed to keep people dependent on others.
But again...it's awesome to see you are so drive. By religious belief. It's inspirational. Now...get busy doing what you pretend to care about. Get busy doing what you want others to pay for.

i manage a soup kitchen
i will be feeding the hungry - the least amongst us - in a few hours
in the meantime the "Christians" will complain because those who need help receive it
 
i manage a soup kitchen
i will be feeding the hungry - the least amongst us - in a few hours
in the meantime the "Christians" will complain because those who need help receive it

Good for you. Thank goodness other people are contributing to that kitchen and paying for it huh?
 
Good for you. Thank goodness other people are contributing to that kitchen and paying for it huh?

operated entirely by volunteers using food that can no longer be sold by the grocers
and the folks line up to enjoy it - because they are hungry
these are the folks some of you insist do not exist
 
operated entirely by volunteers using food that can no longer be sold by the grocers
and the folks line up to enjoy it - because they are hungry
these are the folks some of you insist do not exist

No one said they don't exist. No one said we shouldn't help the truly needy. Heck...I'd even bet there are a few of those "Christians" you hate so mug there helping ou every now and again.
 
No one said they don't exist. No one said we shouldn't help the truly needy. Heck...I'd even bet there are a few of those "Christians" you hate so mug there helping ou every now and again.

fortunately, from what i can observe, the volunteers of Christian faith are really Christians who follow Christ's teachings, and not pretenders who are dismayed that society reaches out to help those in need
 
fortunately, from what i can observe, the volunteers of Christian faith are really Christians who follow Christ's teachings, and not pretenders who are dismayed that society reaches out to help those in need

Ah...so your blanket bigoted Christian remark wasnt meant for all Christians, just those who don agree with you. And anyone that doesn't believe it helps to create generations of crippled and dependent pets with worthless perpetual to government handout programs...why...they just don't fit your bill do they.
 
Ah...so your blanket bigoted Christian remark wasnt meant for all Christians, just those who don agree with you. And anyone that doesn't believe it helps to create generations of crippled and dependent pets with worthless perpetual to government handout programs...why...they just don't fit your bill do they.

can one truly be Christian and then oppose helping the least among us?
 
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