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"Some very good news for Obamacare"

Lord of Planar said:
You're getting back about $3k for paying too much in federal taxes. Aren't you...
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That does not help towards the end of the year. And the bills that I mentioned was just the BARE essentials. We have growing kids that need clothes also, cost of school supplies, telephone so that our work can get ahold of us when needed, gas for the 1 car we have etc etc etc.
 
Knowledge=power said:
This is not a good philosophy to adopt - this is the essence of outsourcing. What occupation do you have? Would you want to be beaten out of your job because someone from another country worked for less? We already have this problem. Many employers already outsource and Americans are suffering because of it. The domestic education of doctors would also suffer as a result, once prospective docs start seeing that it is pointless to go to medical school here when they can be beaten out by a foreigner who's educational standards and costs could be far less than their own.
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They would still need to pass the licensing tests in the US so lower educational standards is not really an issue, and last time I checked, we cannot outsource patients to India.
 
A lot of doctors are going to buck out of the system altogether and work completely privately on the side with a shared-cost group of families. My doctor has already discussed it with me, and we're in.

He's working on putting together a network of doctors and specialists to make it work.

Country Club medicine will soon be here.
 
It's still pretty ****ing expensive. Health insurance premiums should be more along the lines of homeowner's or auto insurance, which means it shouldn't be the same for everyone, but vary depending on the individual's situation and how many claims they make.
 
iliveonramen said:
Thoughts? Concerns? Competing views?
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I don't consider blogs to be a meaningful source of accurate information. The government can't manage itself and you guys want it to manage your health care? Makes no sense to me at all.
 
Fisher said:
They would still need to pass the licensing tests in the US so lower educational standards is not really an issue, and last time I checked, we cannot outsource patients to India.
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No one said anything about outsourcing patients to India.... The issue is the outsourcing of the doctors. American educated doctors would lose / be beaten out of their jobs if we went with the cheapest, foreign options. With lower educational standards, passing the US licensing test would be quite a task. Medical schools in the US are prestigious and develop great doctors. No one would take on the US med school endeavor if they knew it was for nothing because foreign doctors work for less.

Less doctors / less educated doctors / less people wanting to become doctors = bad

What is ridiculous is that doctors are providing a service of paramount importance to society and are paid a fraction of what thousands of athletes who drop out of college to run around and play with a ball professionally are paid.
 
Objective Voice said:
With a gross income of only $17K, he would very likely fall into that category of those who pay no federal income taxes. I ain't made at you, though. I just wish you wouldn't slap yourself in the face with such a foolish argument when you have so much to gain at tax time....it's called a federal tax refund.
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I was making the point that he had more than $3k to pay for other things outside of rent. I calculated $1266.5 in FICA and guessed about $624 in federal taxes for that income. That leaves more than $15k, - the rent, leaves over $6k. Not just 3k.

I know plenty of people like to file like S0, and get large refunds. Still, it isn't real to say he is only left with $3k after rent.
 
Kal'Stang said:
That does not help towards the end of the year. And the bills that I mentioned was just the BARE essentials. We have growing kids that need clothes also, cost of school supplies, telephone so that our work can get ahold of us when needed, gas for the 1 car we have etc etc etc.
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So why not change your filing status. Less tax taken out each paycheck... Less refund later...
 
sangha said:
And he's complaining because if the creek does rise, he might not be able to stick everyone else with the bill.
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Let's see if I understand this argument..

If everyone is forced to buy insurance than other people won't have to pay for them therefore we should ignore liberty and make everyone buy insurance.

Hmm..something seems off. What is it?
 
Henrin said:
Let's see if I understand this argument..

If everyone is forced to buy insurance than other people won't have to pay for them therefore we should ignore liberty and make everyone buy insurance.

Hmm..something seems off. What is it?
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You don't have the liberty to make others pay for your health care

That's just a right wing whine
 
sangha said:
You don't have the liberty to make others pay for your health care

That's just a right wing whine
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So insurance is violating my rights?
 
sangha said:
You're still making stuff up
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How is that making things up?

For that matter, if I can't get people to pay for my healthcare than just how is Medicare constitutional?

Warning: I can do this all day..
 
News to me. We just had our annual insurance sign-up/change meeting, and our costs went up again while our bennies went down.
 
Henrin said:
How is that making things up?

For that matter, if I can't get people to pay for my healthcare than just how is Medicare constitutional?

Warning: I can do this all day..
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I'm sure you could make stuff up for longer than just today
 
sangha said:
I'm sure you could make stuff up for longer than just today
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Well, how do you support Medicare if I can't make people pay for my healthcare?

For that matter how do people like yourself argue for UHC if you can't get people to pay for your healthcare?

You realize I'm trapping you in your own logic, right?
 
Henrin said:
Well, how do you support Medicare if I can't make people pay for my healthcare?

For that matter how do people like yourself argue for UHC if you can't get people to pay for your healthcare?

You realize I'm trapping you in your own logic, right?
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Medicare is constitutional

So is ACA
 
Goshin said:
News to me. We just had our annual insurance sign-up/change meeting, and our costs went up again while our bennies went down.
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My employer pays for most of my insurance rates, but my part have gone up almost by a factor of 3 since Obamacare was voted in.
 
sangha said:
You haven't been following any logic in this discussion. You're all over the place.
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Am I know?

You said no one can get other people to pay for their healthcare,

Therefore..

Insurance
Medicare
UHC

are all in the same boat.
 
Henrin said:
Am I know?

You said no one can get other people to pay for their healthcare,

Therefore..

Insurance
Medicare
UHC

are all in the same boat.
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Like I said - you're not using any logic, and you continue to make stuff up.
 
sangha said:
Like I said - you're not using any logic, and you continue to make stuff up.
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What does all those ideas have in common? Could it be that in none of those plans you're paying in full for your healthcare costs?

Yeah, that is it.
 
sangha said:
You don't have the liberty to make others pay for your health care

That's just a right wing whine
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Umm...what exactly do you think health care insurance DOES? Do you really think that the 5,200 silver plan the OP mentioned is going to pay for a heart transplant even after 30 years of paying into it? Thats only 156k. The whole idea behind insurance is to have a bunch of people pay into a pool and that pool is used to pay for the people that need the money now while growing off of the people that don't use it.

So the whole talking point of those that are for Obamacare and say "you don't have a right to make others pay for your healthcare" as a reason to demand that people buy health insurance is one huge pile of crap.
 
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