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"Some very good news for Obamacare"

That really doesn't tell me a whole lot. I'm not saying a Pakistani can't be a doctor, what I'm saying is you can't really put what they learn in other countries on par with what we learn here. I'm for foreign students coming to our country for our colleges, what I'm not for is giving them a free pass on quality control. Though I will concede, foreign medical students fill a big need for primary care physicians. But my views on that are for another time, and another place.

My point is, doctors are only 8.6% of total medical costs. We have the best doctors in the world. Ten of the top twelve medical schools are here in the U.S. America steals the best and the brightest from around the world to become doctors. We have plenty of waste elsewhere before we should even think about doctor's salaries. For example, medication non-compliance costs $290B a year, which is over $70B more then TOTAL physician compensation.

The $289 Billion Cost of Medication Noncompliance, and What to Do About It - Brian Fung - The Atlantic
U.S Physician Compensation Among Lowest of Western Nations, Survey Finds

I would assume that we would make medical school more accessible. I would assume that if we contain salaries there will be a quid pro quo like government paid training and living stipends that would open the field up to more people. I am not talking about making the surgeons work for $45K a year. I also would assume that things like drug costs would be forced down as well. I would like to see more LPN's and LPN's having their own shop for routine things like allergies and colds and crap less serious. I would like to see better access for homebound patients to routine medical monitoring for things like bedsores. There are lots of possibilities to improve care and access with a UHC system, but it will require compromises.
 
Yeah I thought that at one time too. Then literally over a few days my body swelled up with pitting edema, not a good sign. Turns out I was diagnosed with a very rare congenital heart defect. With an ejection fraction of 10% and a myopathy classified as severe the prognosis was fairly grim and included serious consideration of a Left Ventricular Assist device (300k) and a heart transplant ($1,000,000,000). Pretty heafty bills to approach when one is fairly sick.

Yes, it is pretty scary that any one can become really sick and need hundreds of thousands of dollars of health care ( if not more) at any time.

Almost 40 years when DH and I had our first two little ones we had minimum health care coverage. He was in a business partnership with a couple of his brothers and he and another brother wanted better health care coverage. The older brother faught them because he and his wife did not have children and he did not see the need for a better policy.they did buy buy the better coverage with major health coverage. About 6 months later the older brothers wife got a extreme case of Guillain Berre syndrome. Usually the disease just temporally paralyzes the voluntary muscles but hers paralyzed all her muscles but her eyelids. She was on a respirator and had a pacemaker and could only communicate for the first few months by opening and closing her eyes. She was hopitalized for a year.
She did recover about 90 percent. She can walk with braces and her hands and thumbs do not have full movement.
But her recovery is a miracle.

If they had not had insurance he would have become bankrupt and our family business which is doing very well now would have probably never survived.
 
I would assume that we would make medical school more accessible. I would assume that if we contain salaries there will be a quid pro quo like government paid training and living stipends that would open the field up to more people. I am not talking about making the surgeons work for $45K a year. I also would assume that things like drug costs would be forced down as well. I would like to see more LPN's and LPN's having their own shop for routine things like allergies and colds and crap less serious. I would like to see better access for homebound patients to routine medical monitoring for things like bedsores. There are lots of possibilities to improve care and access with a UHC system, but it will require compromises.

Basically, you're assuming that we would lower the quality of the profession to cut what is less 10% of total healthcare costs. Its funny, all of these Democrats who are so eager to lower salaries for medical professionals seem to be quite against salary cuts against public union workers, professors, and lawyers. Why? Because they make up their base. Education costs have been inflating at a rate even higher then healthcare. Where are all of these open-minded liberals calling for the end of tenure and cutting GenEd requirements to allow students to graduate with less debt? Oh right, cost control is only for "them."
 
Yes, it is pretty scary that any one can become really sick and need hundreds of thousands of dollars of health care ( if not more) at any time.

Almost 40 years when DH and I had our first two little ones we had minimum health care coverage. He was in a business partnership with a couple of his brothers and he and another brother wanted better health care coverage. The older brother faught them because he and his wife did not have children and he did not see the need for a better policy.they did buy buy the better coverage with major health coverage. About 6 months later the older brothers wife got a extreme case of Guillain Berre syndrome. Usually the disease just temporally paralyzes the voluntary muscles but hers paralyzed all her muscles but her eyelids. She was on a respirator and had a pacemaker and could only communicate for the first few months by opening and closing her eyes. She was hopitalized for a year.
She did recover about 90 percent. She can walk with braces and her hands and thumbs do not have full movement.
But her recovery is a miracle.

If they had not had insurance he would have become bankrupt and our family business which is doing very well now would have probably never survived.

This is exactly the problem with making the gamble based on "right now I'm healthy". No body EVER! plans to be sick...but unfortunately stuff comes out of no where and the care provided can be costly. It's either everybody pays in...or only people currently sick or in need of constant care pay ridiculous premiums because everyone else decided to roll the dice.

A health insurance framework can not exist if the only people with insurance are those that need care! Even if the gamble pays off for an individual that is lucky enough to never need healthcare during the first half of their life they will eventually need care and without people currently healthy paying it there will be no affordable insurance for you. They system falls apart in a situation where everyone younger and healthier currently doesn't have insurance. Everybody eventually needs medical care. When you get older you'll need it. It helps to consider it in that light.
 
So based on some initital numbers the cost of insurance throught the competitive exchanges has resulted in much lower premium prices than expected.

As the blog states I definately agree that California is the proving ground for if Obamacare works. Large state, heterogenous population, and they are invested a lot of resources and effort to actually make it work. Also it will be interesting since some large GOP states have pretty much decided not to play along and will provide some comparisons. Texas is specifically mentioned in the blog.
Wonkbook: Some very good news for Obamacare

Obamacare got some very good news on Thursday.




Thoughts? Concerns? Competing views?

The OP is a junk blog for which the proof of "my guess is..." and "Kaiser Permanente, for instance, is only increasing its rates next year by 4.3 percent."

So his guess is that everything will be wonderful and since that's what he 'guesses" it must be true? So what he guesses is that everyone who can afford it will now get Kaiser Permanente level of quality medical care? And everyone else gets nothing at all - oh how wonderful?

Swell. Kaiser is easy to understand. You wait 4 days for an appointment to sit in the waiting room 3 hours to be told nothing is really wrong with you and to take a feel-good Z-pack of steroids. Then, when it is FINALLY discovered you are in the end stage of a terminal disease due to months of delayed treatments for "misdiagnoise" they say "oops" and you quickly die, they having avoided all the costly care. BUT let's "guess" it will be wonderful instead - and then write a blog about how wonderful wonderfulness partisan hack guessing is.
 
Basically, you're assuming that we would lower the quality of the profession to cut what is less 10% of total healthcare costs. Its funny, all of these Democrats who are so eager to lower salaries for medical professionals seem to be quite against salary cuts against public union workers, professors, and lawyers. Why? Because they make up their base. Education costs have been inflating at a rate even higher then healthcare. Where are all of these open-minded liberals calling for the end of tenure and cutting GenEd requirements to allow students to graduate with less debt? Oh right, cost control is only for "them."

Yeah I am not a democrat and I don't think that my JD/MBA entitles me to $1.00 just by virtue of having them. That said UHC could cut lawyer pay deeply because cost of past, present and future treatment could be taken out of the tort mix and things like the lawyer's cut of a PI case would plummet and the cost of things like Worker's comp and bodily injury insurance could be worked into to the overall tax mix and away from individuals and employers. The fewer plaintiff's lawyers would be a good thing for the medical profession and taking the pressure off doctors to churn patients and actually spend more than 5-10 minutes with each one would be good for patients and good for doctors who actually want to practice medicine and not their golf swing.
 
The OP is a junk blog for which the proof of "my guess is..." and "Kaiser Permanente, for instance, is only increasing its rates next year by 4.3 percent."

So his guess is that everything will be wonderful and since that's what he 'guesses" it must be true? So what he guesses is that everyone who can afford it will now get Kaiser Permanente level of quality medical care? And everyone else gets nothing at all - oh how wonderful?

Swell. Kaiser is easy to understand. You wait 4 days for an appointment to sit in the waiting room 3 hours to be told nothing is really wrong with you and to take a feel-good Z-pack of steroids. Then, when it is FINALLY discovered you are in the end stage of a terminal disease due to months of delayed treatments for "misdiagnoise" they say "oops" and you quickly die, they having avoided all the costly care. BUT let's "guess" it will be wonderful instead - and then write a blog about how wonderful wonderfulness partisan hack guessing is.

I'm not sure I'd call Ezra Klein a "junk blogger".
 
This is exactly the problem with making the gamble based on "right now I'm healthy". No body EVER! plans to be sick...but unfortunately stuff comes out of no where and the care provided can be costly. It's either everybody pays in...or only people currently sick or in need of constant care pay ridiculous premiums because everyone else decided to roll the dice.

A health insurance framework can not exist if the only people with insurance are those that need care! Even if the gamble pays off for an individual that is lucky enough to never need healthcare during the first half of their life they will eventually need care and without people currently healthy paying it there will be no affordable insurance for you. They system falls apart in a situation where everyone younger and healthier currently doesn't have insurance. Everybody eventually needs medical care. When you get older you'll need it. It helps to consider it in that light.

The problem with not having full auto coverage is you might be in an accident.
The problem with not having massive life insurance is you might die.
The problem with not having disability insurance is you might get hurt and not be able to work.
The problem with not having health insurance is you might get sick.
The problem with not having flood insurance is there might be a flood.
The problem with not having theft insurance is there might be a burglary.
The problem with buying health insurances is that if you don't have the co-pay you paid for the health insurance for nothing at all.

There are MANY myths about ObamaCare and health insurance.
No, everyone will not be covered.
Yes, this gives excuse to deny any medical care to indigent people because they didn't fill out the paperwork way back when.
No, health insurance does not mean you get the healthcare - you get nothing unless you have the co-pay.

Here's an example. The hospital here discounts "cash pay" by 50%. Co-pay is typically 20%. Do the math on $25,000 medical...

Unless you have $5,000 in cash, they won't do anything. If you do have cash and no policy, you pay $12,500. However, you had been paying NO insurance premiums, meaning you still have 100% of your money. How long before you had spend $7500 in insurance gambling premiums? In that math, the insurance is a BAD gamble for healthy young people. A good gamble for old people. Maybe.

And if you are paying cash, you don't have to negotiate with approval from an insurance company. Doctors particularly LIKE cash. I've given an example of negotiation, with green cash, a procedure's price being reduced by 75% and to be done NOW. When you figure what would have been paid for insurance premiums plus the co-pay, that that more costly medical year was cheaper than with insurance.

PLUS you get ANY doctor you want, not just those who will play the government-insurance-paperwork maze game - which many refuse to do. MANY doctors offices post a list of all the insurance companies and government plans they do NOT accept patients from.

Most people would win by instead putting the premium money into investments and let it build. Cash gets you discounts. Cash gets you the doctor you want. Cash gets you the care you want. Cash gets you first in line.
 
I'm not sure I'd call Ezra Klein a "junk blogger".

Ezra Klein, founder of JournOList, where the left wing bias of reporters like Klein was proven in writing? Where strategies to discredit and smear right leaning candidates was openly discussed?

Not a junk blogger?
 
Ezra Klein, founder of JournOList, where the left wing bias of reporters like Klein was proven in writing? Where strategies to discredit and smear right leaning candidates was openly discussed?

Not a junk blogger?

Go ahead...take apart his blog. He's obviously a junk blogger so it should be really easily to find the wealth of factual inaccuracies.
 
Go ahead...take apart his blog. He's obviously a junk blogger so it should be really easily to find the wealth of factual inaccuracies.

No thanks. Already have. But thanks for the invite.

Anyone who has a history like Ezra Klein invites opinions like mine, and praise like yours. He is what he has sold himself to be. A margin player in the politcal moonscape.
 
The problem with not having full auto coverage is you might be in an accident.
The problem with not having massive life insurance is you might die.
The problem with not having disability insurance is you might get hurt and not be able to work.
The problem with not having health insurance is you might get sick.
The problem with not having flood insurance is there might be a flood.
The problem with not having theft insurance is there might be a burglary.
The problem with buying health insurances is that if you don't have the co-pay you paid for the health insurance for nothing at all.

There are MANY myths about ObamaCare and health insurance.
No, everyone will not be covered.
Yes, this gives excuse to deny any medical care to indigent people because they didn't fill out the paperwork way back when.
No, health insurance does not mean you get the healthcare - you get nothing unless you have the co-pay.

Here's an example. The hospital here discounts "cash pay" by 50%. Co-pay is typically 20%. Do the math on $25,000 medical...

Unless you have $5,000 in cash, they won't do anything. If you do have cash and no policy, you pay $12,500. However, you had been paying NO insurance premiums, meaning you still have 100% of your money. How long before you had spend $7500 in insurance gambling premiums? In that math, the insurance is a BAD gamble for healthy young people. A good gamble for old people. Maybe.

And if you are paying cash, you don't have to negotiate with approval from an insurance company. Doctors particularly LIKE cash. I've given an example of negotiation, with green cash, a procedure's price being reduced by 75% and to be done NOW. When you figure what would have been paid for insurance premiums plus the co-pay, that that more costly medical year was cheaper than with insurance.

PLUS you get ANY doctor you want, not just those who will play the government-insurance-paperwork maze game - which many refuse to do. MANY doctors offices post a list of all the insurance companies and government plans they do NOT accept patients from.

Most people would win by instead putting the premium money into investments and let it build. Cash gets you discounts. Cash gets you the doctor you want. Cash gets you the care you want. Cash gets you first in line.

Sounds like a great system. Not sure how it works once you start hitting 40 or so and healthcare starts increasing. I'm guessing since everyone is so good at putting aside for their retirement they'll be deligent about putting aside for old age and the increased medical cost. It's a shame nobody has implemented a can't lose system like that in the world of modern medicine.
 
No thanks. Already have. But thanks for the invite.

Anyone who has a history like Ezra Klein invites opinions like mine, and praise like yours. He is what he has sold himself to be. A margin player in the politcal moonscape.

An ad hominem attack on the blogger as well as me. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
 
In the case of UHC, one of the one's paying the bill. If we can get a doctor from India or Pakistan who will work for less, then we should get them. That is how supply and demand works.

This is not a good philosophy to adopt - this is the essence of outsourcing. What occupation do you have? Would you want to be beaten out of your job because someone from another country worked for less? We already have this problem. Many employers already outsource and Americans are suffering because of it. The domestic education of doctors would also suffer as a result, once prospective docs start seeing that it is pointless to go to medical school here when they can be beaten out by a foreigner who's educational standards and costs could be far less than their own.
 
I made no attack. I granted your opinion, and acknowledged mine.

Seems you may be having some difficulty being objective.

unlike most posters on these threads, yourself included no doubt, who are always objective ... shame on that poster!
 
Yeah I am not a democrat and I don't think that my JD/MBA entitles me to $1.00 just by virtue of having them. That said UHC could cut lawyer pay deeply because cost of past, present and future treatment could be taken out of the tort mix and things like the lawyer's cut of a PI case would plummet and the cost of things like Worker's comp and bodily injury insurance could be worked into to the overall tax mix and away from individuals and employers. The fewer plaintiff's lawyers would be a good thing for the medical profession and taking the pressure off doctors to churn patients and actually spend more than 5-10 minutes with each one would be good for patients and good for doctors who actually want to practice medicine and not their golf swing.

Lawyers make a ton of money on things besides malpractice.

And I agree, that's what I support a concierge medicine model over our current mess of a healthcare system. The insurance model doesn't work for the entire healthcare industry when 75% of costs are due to chronic conditions. A concierge model suits this perfectly because doctors want to maximize the amount of patients they treat because it means more revenue for them. Contrast that with insurance companies, who want to minimize the amount of healthcare they have to pay for to maximize profits. One suits the system and is affordable, and the other doesn't.

But just because I'm in favor of reform, doesn't mean I want the government to be the power player.

Also my point stands. Doctors only represent 8.6% of costs, and it is not necessary to cut their pay to reduce the costs of the system.
 
IDK i went a number of years in life without health insurance. I don't see why its not feasible to let it be a persons choice and freedom to chose.

Also a person enrolled in college often has access to a medical clinic - most of colleges even junior colleges in CA have them.

I notice the OP didn't mention the issue with a spouse. The employers are going to be able to drop spousal coverage (not children just husbands
or wives) or force the employee to pay plenty to keep them on their plan.

obama care is great for the uninsured. It redistributed the overburdened middle class health care system to to the uninsured. So instead of
waiting for 60 days for a procedure you'll get in line with the homeless and go 120 days or more. Congrats America the middle class has been
placed where it belongs - among the poor.


You enjoy Russian Roulette!! I'm glad you won't have to play it with your family anymore. Even if you're not.
 
The OP is a junk blog for which the proof of "my guess is..." and "Kaiser Permanente, for instance, is only increasing its rates next year by 4.3 percent."

So his guess is that everything will be wonderful and since that's what he 'guesses" it must be true? So what he guesses is that everyone who can afford it will now get Kaiser Permanente level of quality medical care? And everyone else gets nothing at all - oh how wonderful?

Swell. Kaiser is easy to understand. You wait 4 days for an appointment to sit in the waiting room 3 hours to be told nothing is really wrong with you and to take a feel-good Z-pack of steroids. Then, when it is FINALLY discovered you are in the end stage of a terminal disease due to months of delayed treatments for "misdiagnoise" they say "oops" and you quickly die, they having avoided all the costly care. BUT let's "guess" it will be wonderful instead - and then write a blog about how wonderful wonderfulness partisan hack guessing is.

Exactly.

Think about this - Here are the leading causes of death in the U.S. annually.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364

FASTSTATS - Leading Causes of Death - From the CDC

Heart disease is a condition which more often than not requires immediate action such as - meds / surgery / hospitalization. If you are waiting to see an overloaded cardiologist for a few weeks to get a diagnosis, your situation could worsen or you could die.

Cancer is something which must be tested for. Over half a million people die from cancer annually already - imagine if you had to wait a month to get an MRI to see if your chronic headaches and memory loss were because of a brain tumor.

Accidents and unintentional injuries can lead to infection and death in elderly if not treated quickly. Elderly people often break bones without even knowing it. What if grandma needed hip surgery but could not get it for several months?
 
Soon, there won't be insurance companies. That is Obama's master plan.

Hospitals are opting out of Obamacare. As are unions. As is CONGRESS!

Yet, you and I just need to go to the local clinic and shut up.

I want to address this allegation because it is the bases for the rhetoric Republicans have spouted against "ObamaCare," i.e., bending the cost curve down.

When you look at the framework behind the law, you will find that the federal government used three rationales to construct ObamaCare:

1) The Individual Mandate = personal financial responsibility (A Republican idea borne out of HillaryCare)

2) Medicaid Expansion = States Rights by virtue of allowing the states the option to form and RUN Health Insurance Exchanges of their own, fully funded by their tax dollars once fully implemented.

3) Federal Exchange = rightful pathway to Universal Health care but ONLY if:

a) small business owners*/corporations DON'T offer health insurance to their employees at competitive rates or at all.

b) States opt-out of forming their own exchanges.

Now, for those who have constantly argued that the state-sponsored exchanges are too expensive, I say perhaps, but it's largely a bull crap argument. Why? Very simple...

States were handed (okay, "highly encouraged to take") money from the federal government. As most folks know, Medicaid is a partnership funded by both the federal government and the state. States have been arguing for years that they don't want the federal government to tell them what to do with their residents. In comes the state-sponsored exchanges - protecting "state's rights". But now they have a conflict because according to their ideology government at any level can't run certain things, such as health insurance or health care, better than the private sector. This is why many programs, such as Medicaid Waiver/in-home care/LifeCare, have been privatized in most Republican-held states. But even those programs still receive federal funds. The problem, however, is many of the very states that have rejected accepting funds for the Medicaid expansion are states that have low revenue streams. But if Republicans give in and accept the Medicaid match it throws their ideological argument out the window. Thus, when Spkr Boehner says, "he's standing on principle," that's exactly what he means even if doing so is morally and wrong. But I digress...

There have been studies conducted by private, non-partisan groups that have shown that states (i.e., Alabama) would benefit financially in the long-term by accepting the Medicaid match. (UAB study: Alabama would benefit $1 billion under Medicaid expansion | al.com) Yet, the state's governor and Republican-controlled legislature refuses to accept this financial windfall reality. Pity...

As to the other arguments, i.e., "soon there won't be (health) insurance companies...hospitals opting out of ObamaCare (here referring to accepting Medicaid payment adjustments and NOT the entire Medicaid system because hospitals DO accept patients with Medicaid and they do so gladly)...unions dropping out", these arguments are largely false.

There will ALWAYS be health insurance companies. Why? That's the industry that stands to benefit the most from ObamaCare's full implementation. More clients = more profits for insurance companies. Thus, the larger the pool be it via private employers, the state-sponsored exchanges or the federal-exchanges, it all translates to "CHA-CHING" for the private insurance market. Anyone who doesn't see that a partisan for the Right and is simply very uninformed and just isn't using that grey matter between his/her ears. Think! for yourself.

So, to summarize:

-Health care finally gets a makeover after 100 years.

-One side of the political divide comes up with the idea of both the individual mandate and the state-sponsored exchanges (individual responsibility and state's rights).

-That same side (Republicans) decide as a political strategy not to vote in favor of the law no matter its form so as to not give an incoming President nor his party any clot, as well as to lay blame on the other side of the political divide should the new health care system fails.

-The states turn to legalism in the hopes that the health care law is found NOT to be Constitutional; they were wrong.
-Republicans then decide to attempt to repeal ObamaCare...37 times...and failed.

-Republicans have voted to defund as much of ObamaCare as they can in the hopes that by not awarding appropriations that would place the health care system in ruin. But Democrat (and atleast one Republican state) are showing that the law can save money and increase access to health care.

-Republicans decide to cut off their noses (funding) despite their face (ideology) to strike a unified blow to the federal government, but instead it's hurting their constituents - many of whom benefit from the very program they see as vial.

And there you have it in a nutshell. However, I must add that Universal Health Care can only happen if the states abdicate their duty to care for their residents OR if the people deem it so with their unified voices by the power of the vote. And they will ONLY do so if the cost of health care continues to rise and they see no other way to obtain needed health insurance coverage at a reasonable price. In other words, WE, THE PEOPLE, will only go the route of UHC if both the states and the free market lets us down.

*small business owner = franchises, not the commonly referred to "mom & pop" homebusiness or individual storefront. Just thought I'd let folks know the difference so next time you hear Republicans speak of it you'll know exactly who they're talking about and be able to discern the true meaning behind their "political speak".
 
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I get paid 17k per year. I pay 9,000 just in rent per year. So that leaves me with 3k (give or take a couple hundred) to pay for utilities, car insurance, and food.

How is this good? Ooooh right...its good for the insurance companies and the State! Screw me right?
You're getting back about $3k for paying too much in federal taxes. Aren't you...
 
You're getting back about $3k for paying too much in federal taxes. Aren't you...

With a gross income of only $17K, he would very likely fall into that category of those who pay no federal income taxes. I ain't made at you, though. I just wish you wouldn't slap yourself in the face with such a foolish argument when you have so much to gain at tax time....it's called a federal tax refund.
 
Sure...and if anything ever happened to anyone in your family that resulted in hospital bills you couldn't afford you'd just take em in and let the rest of us foot the bill in higher premiums for another individual that decided to opt out of paying insurance premiums.

I'm sure you wouldn't take the wager with the house you plan on buying because if a tree fell through the roof and took out your living room you'd be screwed. In the healthcare department it's win win....don't worry about insurance..take the wager because the end result is just claiming bankruptcy.

Sorry but I wouldn't do that and haven't done that. Indeed we are still paying on a medical bill from 8 years ago. Voluntarily. See, my family is responsible. Which is what we should encourage instead of bankruptcy. Indeed, we should get rid of the whole "bankruptcy" process all together.
 
Yeah I thought that at one time too. Then literally over a few days my body swelled up with pitting edema, not a good sign. Turns out I was diagnosed with a very rare congenital heart defect. With an ejection fraction of 10% and a myopathy classified as severe the prognosis was fairly grim and included serious consideration of a Left Ventricular Assist device (300k) and a heart transplant ($1,000,000,000). Pretty heafty bills to approach when one is fairly sick.

Then I'll die. Even with health insurance I couldn't get that kind of coverage because I couldn't afford the kind of coverage that would require.
 
You enjoy Russian Roulette!! I'm glad you won't have to play it with your family anymore. Even if you're not.

A bit hyperbolic don't you think Maggie?

BTW, I still can. When we did our taxes this year we were told how much we would have to pay for not having insurance. A total of 300 some odd dollars. What do you think I am going to choose? 5,200 or 300?
 
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