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Republicans Altered Benghazi Emails, CBS News Report Claims [W:361]

ocean515 said:
It seems that way.

Just as it's possible there is more to the issue about altered emails and the GOP than meets the eye.

Still can't figure why that would be done when the originals are available for comparison. Could there be a move to discredit the GOP?
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At the time the "fake" emails were manufactured, the WH had not released any. I think maybe they thought it would never happen.
 
If true this will be amusing in a very sad sort of way. It will be funny watching how the RW spins, twists and flops around on this one. On the other hand it does sound too stupid to be true. Besides I am watching Fox and they have not reported it yet. Cant be true.:doh
 
ocean515 said:
The GOP released fake emails that hadn't been released (by the WH) ?
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Yes, they edited the emails and leaked them to J. Karl at ABC.

You just refuse to read the article in the OP.
 
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mak2 said:
If true this will be amusing in a very sad sort of way. It will be funny watching how the RW spins, twists and flops around on this one. On the other hand it does sound too stupid to be true. Besides I am watching Fox and they have not reported it yet. Cant be true.:doh
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What is worse are the cons/rwers here that when shown the evidence refuse to look at it or understand it.

Cognitive dissonance.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, they edited the emails and leaked them to Kinney at ABC.

You just refuse to read the article in the OP.
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Now why would you conclude that?

I read the article. I'm trying to get the logic of what is being suggested put in writing.

Given this administrations history, it's quite logical to suppose the White House altered the emails after seeing the real ones the GOP released

Ever thought of that?
 
head of joaquin said:
Keep dancing guys. GOP operatives altered evidence. The only issue is not who is going to resign in the GOP leadership, but who's going to jail. Evidence tampering is a crime.
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This is not a criminal investigation, no one is going to jail, stop over selling it.
 
ocean515 said:
Now why would you conclude that?
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Um, for the same reason that CBS did, the edits used the ABC reports were obviously edited.

I read the article. I'm trying to get the logic of what is being suggested put in writing.

Given this administrations history, it's quite logical to suppose the White House altered the emails after seeing the real ones the GOP released

Ever thought of that?
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I disagree, I don't think your supposition is logical, why would the WH double down on such an easily exposed cover-up, Nuland's email was sent to many people, any of which could blow the whistle.

Since these were leaked to ABC, the object would be to spin the story, and it was.


Update 4:48 p.m.: ABC's Karl offered a more full explanation of the difference in a blog post this afternoon. Karl says he was "quoting verbatim a source who reviewed the original documents and shared detailed notes" for his description. The source was not allowed to make copies of the original email. Karl also defends the original representation.

I asked my original source today to explain the different wording on the Ben Rhodes e-mail, and the fact that the words “State Department” were not included in the e-mail provided to CNN’s Tapper.

This was my source’s response, via e-mail: “WH reply was after a long chain of email about State Dept concerns. So when WH emailer says, take into account all equities, he is talking about the State equities, since that is what the email chain was about.”
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What ABC Left Out Of Its Report On Benghazi Talking Points | ThinkProgress
 
That is what I been trying to tell you guys. There is no evidence of any wrong doing in Benghazi, but the RW can see that fine. There is very obvious evidnece someone altered an email, the RWers wont be able to see diddly. LIke I said, funny.
apdst said:
Evidence of what?
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Middleground said:
Here's a timeline for you:



ABC’s Benghazi problem festers - Salon.com
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What you are quoting isn't a refutation. It's obfuscation.

The emails released by the WH clearly show talking points which disclose suspects, prior warnings and prior atatcks being pared down to damned near nothing. They also show that the department pushing for those changes was the State Department.

Again, all you have to do is read through the emails. It's all right there.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Um, for the same reason that CBS did, the edits used the ABC reports were obviously edited.

I disagree, I don't think your supposition is logical, why would the WH double down on such an easily exposed cover-up, Nuland's email was sent to many people, any of which could blow the whistle.

Since these were leaked to ABC, the object would be to spin the story, and it was.


What ABC Left Out Of Its Report On Benghazi Talking Points | ThinkProgress
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Why would the GOP present information that would be so easily refuted later? Makes no sense for the same reason.

However, who is going to question the veracity of the information released by the White House?

Discounting that calls into question an ability to be objective...
 
Lutherf said:
What you are quoting isn't a refutation. It's obfuscation.

The emails released by the WH clearly show talking points which disclose suspects, prior warnings and prior atatcks being pared down to damned near nothing. They also show that the department pushing for those changes was the State Department.

Again, all you have to do is read through the emails. It's all right there.
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Yes, and Nuland's TRUE concern was right there too, that she did not want all of that intel released for security reasons, she wanted any and all leads to remain intact.

It was not done for political reasons as implied by the leak to ABC, and even Petraeus confirmed that back in November.
 
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ocean515 said:
Actually, there is strong evidence the DOJ used IRS operatives to hack into medical records identified through phone taps of AP reporters who were then able to use information in those records to gain access to various computers which allowed them to alter White House emails and send them out under GOP banners...

Wonder who will be getting a Presidential Medal of Freedom?
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I'm a little confused here. I thought the DOJ is being run by Holder, a staunch Democrat and personal friend of the POTUS who is in big trouble at the moment over this latest scandal, and needs an out. So please explain why the medical records of the AP were targeted by the IRS in the first place, and at whose directive, then next have them use the data collected to alter WH e-mails, and then shout that it's really the Republicans doing it? Wow! This is hilarious, and it takes desperation to a whole new level! :lamo:
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yes, and Nuland's TRUE concern ws right there too, that she did not want all of that intel released for security reasons, she wanted any and all leads to remain intact.

It is was not done for political reasons as implied by the leak to ABC, and even Petraeus confirmed that back in November.
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So to keep the leads intact, the State Department was willing to put blame on a video, and make sure the full weight and measure of the United States government rained down on a feckless little video producer, who was tracked down and jailed.

Gee. No problem with any of that.
 
mak2 said:
That is what I been trying to tell you guys. There is no evidence of any wrong doing in Benghazi, but the RW can see that fine. There is very obvious evidnece someone altered an email, the RWers wont be able to see diddly. LIke I said, funny.
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Americans are under fire; the president is no where to be found; the SECDEF and SECSTATE don't have the authority, or don't want to take the responsibility for deploying forces; those Americans are killed without a single finger being lifted to help them; then the administration outright lies about the whole thing and you don't see anything wrong?
 
ocean515 said:
So to keep the leads intact, the State Department was willing to put blame on a video, and make sure the full weight and measure of the United States government rained down on a feckless little video producer, who was tracked down and jailed.

Gee. No problem with any of that.
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so, you believe the greater good would have been to forgo the leads?
 
polgara said:
I'm a little confused here. I thought the DOJ is being run by Holder, a staunch Democrat and personal friend of the POTUS who is in big trouble at the moment over this latest scandal, and needs an out. So please explain why the medical records of the AP were targeted by the IRS in the first place, and at whose directive, then next have them use the data collected to alter WH e-mails, and then shout that it's really the Republicans doing it? Wow! This is hilarious, and it takes desperation to a whole new level! :lamo:
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As you have seen, the imagination can only run farther and wilder...

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ocean515 said:
Why would the GOP present information that would be so easily refuted later? Makes no sense for the same reason.
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So which is easier, to leak out verbally what an email supposedly said anonymously....or go back and supposedly edit (hundreds) of emails in their system and then release this?

However, who is going to question the veracity of the information released by the White House?
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Why Fox news of course!

Discounting that calls into question an ability to be objective...
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Gee, who to believe, the GOP spin when they have been wrong on just about every accusation leveled.....or the WH?

I guess time will tell who has the best track record if you have not figured out that one yet.
 
ocean515 said:
So to keep the leads intact, the State Department was willing to put blame on a video, and make sure the full weight and measure of the United States government rained down on a feckless little video producer, who was tracked down and jailed.

Gee. No problem with any of that.
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Really, you think he suffered the full heft of the US govt?

Talk about a weak tangent.

PS....I'll remind you....that was intel from the CIA....at the request of the House Intel Committee.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Thank you for proving my point.
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No, really...evidence of what?

If you mean evidence that congressional Republicans are responsible for altering the government's report 12 times and that State, Defense and CIA had NOTHING to do with it, then you're pushing a truckload of propogandized horse hockey.

Unless, of course you're defending the administration by claiming they are ust plain friggin incompetant. Is that it? Obama is just to stupid to be president?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
So which is easier, to leak out verbally what an email supposedly said anonymously....or go back and supposedly edit (hundreds) of emails in their system and then release this?

Why Fox news of course!

Gee, who to believe, the GOP spin when they have been wrong on just about every accusation leveled.....or the WH?

I guess time will tell who has the best track record if you have not figured out that one yet.
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The GOP has been wrong on just about every accusation leveled?

As I wrote, and you just confirmed, I don't think objectivity is your strong suit.
 
ocean515 said:
The GOP has been wrong on just about every accusation leveled?

As I wrote, and you just confirmed, I don't think objectivity is your strong suit.
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You can follow any tangent you like, the point still is that ABC ran with a story on leaked false info from anon GOP sources, spinning Nuland's reasons for not releasing all of the intel on the attack.
 
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