Drunk ASU student left at hospital with Post-it note

These things happen.

I seem to remember a few years back we were partying in Vegas when one of our group got a little out of hand (found him running up Las Vegas Blvd at 5:30am naked as a jaybird). We piled him into the van and hustled him back to AZ so that if he had to get medical care it would still be in state since he was on probation.

Ikari said:

It's standard freshman behavior. They are not trying to kill the guy, there was no attempted suicide. It was freshmen doing what freshmen across the country do. At least this time they got the kid to a hospital.

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kind of agree with here. In my day he probably would have been put to bed and let him "sleep it off."

OscarB63 said:

yeah, they were just exercising their right under the 5th not to incriminate themselves.

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Kids freak out and don't make rational choices all the time. I don't think it was so much some conscientious 5th amendment sort of thing as much as they freaked out about getting caught and expulsion and parental and legal reprisal whirled through their heads and they did the "best" they could while hoping that they don't face further repercussions for their actions.

Ikari said:

That's a lot of assumption and supposition in order to blame the Greek system. They did the same thing in Spady's case, remember that? Turns out it wasn't their fault, her friends abandoned her and left her to die alone. Fraternities and sororities are not the cornerstone of all that is evil in the world despite what some of you want to say.

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As a former fraternity President, I laugh at your defense of the Greek system as a whole. There are a lot of bad seeds out there.

Thank goodness they had post-it notes. Imagine if they just had a stapler!

In some states, women who just gave birth can leave the child at a hospital with no repercussions. Situations could be comparable.

Fisher said:

As a former fraternity President, I laugh at your defense of the Greek system as a whole. There are a lot of bad seeds out there.

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And they aren't limited to the Greek system. The Greek system doesn't even have enhanced problems, they on whole are under such staunch scrutiny that they have to perform well above the general student body. So they even have slightly suppressed demographic breakdown from nominal undergrad behavior. Yet no one gets on the GDI's when they have house parties that end up like some of the fraternity parties.

Ikari said:

And they aren't limited to the Greek system. The Greek system doesn't even have enhanced problems, they on whole are under such staunch scrutiny that they have to perform well above the general student body. So they even have slightly suppressed demographic breakdown from nominal undergrad behavior. Yet no one gets on the GDI's when they have house parties that end up like some of the fraternity parties.

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Perhaps, or perhaps it just doesn't get reported as often because it doesn't feed into the stereotype. Greeks as a whole are under such scrutiny for a reason. I am not unsympathetic though. There is a war against pledging regardless of what pledging consists of; there is a war against hazing in which some universities consider even making a pledge wear a pledge pin is hazing; and there is the general war against Greeks. Unfortunately my fraternity's national office is every bit as bad as Universities on some of this stuff because they have become so risk adverse because insurance has become such a massive burden on the organizations. It does not help that in this climate, people who do not like the Greek experience or who feel that they have to make the least little bit of effort or actually have to pay some money file hazing claims and pretend to be a victim. I really think the whole system is going to collapse.

this is why states are passing immunity laws for underaged kids who take their drunk friends to the hospital. at least the friends did that much. when states prosecute teens for taking their buddy to the hospital, buddies end up dead instead of at the hospital. happens all of the time, and i can think of several cases in my area.

.40% is life-threatening so at least they brought him to a hospital.

Deuce said:

.40% is life-threatening so at least they brought him to a hospital.

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.40 is a light weight. In my career as an MP, I've seen people blow as high as 0.6 we had a guy walk up to the back gate at Ft Benning one night with a BAC of 0.47 the only way we could tell he had been drinking was because we could smell it.

Fisher said:

Perhaps, or perhaps it just doesn't get reported as often because it doesn't feed into the stereotype. Greeks as a whole are under such scrutiny for a reason. I am not unsympathetic though. There is a war against pledging regardless of what pledging consists of; there is a war against hazing in which some universities consider even making a pledge wear a pledge pin is hazing; and there is the general war against Greeks. Unfortunately my fraternity's national office is every bit as bad as Universities on some of this stuff because they have become so risk adverse because insurance has become such a massive burden on the organizations. It does not help that in this climate, people who do not like the Greek experience or who feel that they have to make the least little bit of effort or actually have to pay some money file hazing claims and pretend to be a victim. I really think the whole system is going to collapse.

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Yet sports teams do it all the time and it's not nearly as advertised or sought after. Sports clubs even more so. Hell the Rugby House was right across the street from my Fraternity House, I've seen what those guys do. Hilarious...but there's no regard for the line. Yet they'd never get in trouble for it less something high profile occurred. At my old University many years back, the Lacrosse team killed one of their new members through a hazing event focusing around drinking. The Lacrosse team suffered minimal consequences and the State bore down on the Greek system and issued essentially greek specific punishments for hazing.

OscarB63 said:

.40 is a light weight. In my career as an MP, I've seen people blow as high as 0.6 we had a guy walk up to the back gate at Ft Benning one night with a BAC of 0.47 the only way we could tell he had been drinking was because we could smell it.

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That is a sign of significant liver damage.

Ikari said:

That's already done. Remember Samantha Spady? What these kids did was actually above and beyond what is normally done, and they got their friend to the hospital. Now if this trend continues it will have designated drivers and controlled, reasoned drinking.

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In this case, the fact that they brought this kid to the hospital demonstrates an awareness that they thought his health was in danger. In the Spady case, she was left to sleep it off. There was no evidence that anyone thought she was in danger.

sangha said:

In this case, the fact that they brought this kid to the hospital demonstrates an awareness that they thought his health was in danger. In the Spady case, she was left to sleep it off. There was no evidence that anyone thought she was in danger.

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Yeah, that's the claim alright. But the point is here they at least were able to get the kid to the hospital, even if they didn't stay and face possible prosecution from law or school.

Ikari said:

Yet sports teams do it all the time and it's not nearly as advertised or sought after. Sports clubs even more so. Hell the Rugby House was right across the street from my Fraternity House, I've seen what those guys do. Hilarious...but there's no regard for the line. Yet they'd never get in trouble for it less something high profile occurred. At my old University many years back, the Lacrosse team killed one of their new members through a hazing event focusing around drinking. The Lacrosse team suffered minimal consequences and the State bore down on the Greek system and issued essentially greek specific punishments for hazing.

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I played Rugby. I know. I agree. The alcohol consumption at those things would make a fraternity keg party seem like a church social in comparison. I never made it back to the house after a match not soaked all the way to my underwear in beer.

MaggieD said:

I would hope these people could be charged with something. If they were present when he was drinking that much, they are assisting suicide. Must've changed their minds.

This "shots" business?? Ridiculous. Absolutely abominable.

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Right here we see the reason people are afraid to help. Assisted suicide charges, are you serious with that? The worst charges that should be applied for this particular part of the crime are associated with providing alcohol to a minor. Anything above that is vindictive use of the law and contributes to behavior like this. For instance, let us say i am at the party and i see the drunk kid and he needs medical help. I am sober so i have a choice. i can drive him to the hospital where some nanny state jerk is going to say charge me with assisted suicide and I spend money and time fighting bogus charges, or I do not bother getting involved or do something like this because he is wasted and cannot identify me. Well, i am not taking a chance because I know people are going to blow this way out of proportion and will end up going after anyone they can because they cannot just recognize this kid did this to himself. You encourage this, and if they are drunk it is even worse because drunk people make worse choices due to amplified fear and lower inhibitions. You do not scare the hell out of the people you want to do the right thing by threatening them with overblown charges like assisted suicide. Leave that insanity for bloomberg and the health nanny crowd.

So you aren't going to help somebody in need of medical assistance so that you can avoid trouble for yourself.

nota bene said:

So you aren't going to help somebody in need of medical assistance so that you can avoid trouble for yourself.

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Yes, an idioot who drank himself into that state and I am not responsible will at best get an anonymous call to 911 from a payphone if I can find a payphone. I am not dealing with being the fall guy for some idiot because nanny's need someone to blame to make themselves feel better. I certainly do not need to fight off lawsuits from his family after I help his ass. I would not have even given him a ride to the hospital since I know some have cameras there. That post it note thing was pure stupidity as they probably have the people on tape and a recording of the car's license plate. They will not have to go far to bust those kids. The rest of their lives are screwed because some 19 year old drank himself stupid at a party and they decided to help him.

if you were only going after the people who served him the alcohol and let him drink i could see that. But to go after the kids who dropped him off at emergency is downright wrong. If they happen to be some of the same people then bust them for the actual crime and not for trying to help him by bringing him to emergency room. I don't blame people for not getting involved at all when it is clear there are people out there who would hang them for making the mistake of becoming involved. It is easier to walk away and to avoid all the problems that come with helping. If i am at that party and I see that guy I just leave and my life goes on pretty much the same. I don't have to explain myself to the cops, pay bail, find a lawyer, go to court, perhaps get convicted of assisted suicide, and save myself a ton of time and money because I made the mistake of helping an idiot. That is not mentioning probably getting expelled from school because they can prove I was at a party with underage drinking.

Next time remember what this world does to good samaritans. You would have to be an idiot to help someone in a world that allows people to get their vengeance on the person who helps them. Feel free to be as you like, I will just go on with life.

God bless the idiots.

nota bene said:

God bless the idiots.

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In other words no one is willing to help them which is why you should avoid being them because they often get hurt for their actions.

digsbe said:

The guy that supplied the alcohol should be charged.

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Why? He is an adult and if he wants to drink himself to death that is his right. So what if someone provided him alcohol? It's not as if they force him to drink until he almost died.

He is a dumbass and like all dumbasses they pay for it sooner or later.

tererun said:

Right here we see the reason people are afraid to help. Assisted suicide charges, are you serious with that? The worst charges that should be applied for this particular part of the crime are associated with providing alcohol to a minor. Anything above that is vindictive use of the law and contributes to behavior like this. For instance, let us say i am at the party and i see the drunk kid and he needs medical help. I am sober so i have a choice. i can drive him to the hospital where some nanny state jerk is going to say charge me with assisted suicide and I spend money and time fighting bogus charges, or I do not bother getting involved or do something like this because he is wasted and cannot identify me. Well, i am not taking a chance because I know people are going to blow this way out of proportion and will end up going after anyone they can because they cannot just recognize this kid did this to himself. You encourage this, and if they are drunk it is even worse because drunk people make worse choices due to amplified fear and lower inhibitions. You do not scare the hell out of the people you want to do the right thing by threatening them with overblown charges like assisted suicide. Leave that insanity for bloomberg and the health nanny crowd.

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The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that were at the party and helped get him so drunk he should be dead. My point was these people -- you know, the ones who think it's hilarious to watch (and help) a guy to kill himself -- should have their lives made miserable so they no longer think it's a hoot to pour beer or bourbon down a guy's throat until he pukes. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that gave minors a place to party and get wasted, then climb into their cars and attempt to drive home. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that supplied liquor to a minor and shouted "Whoot!! Whoot!! Whoot!!" while someone kept refilling this guy's glass until he was unconscious. Long before this kid's BAC reached .47!!!!!! he was incapable of serving himself.

Twenty shots in a drinking competition. Every one of their parents ought to be informed. This is disgusting behavior. It is dangerous. It is like playing Russian Roulette. There should be real consequences for people who stand by and watch this happen. Real consequences for adults that permit it.

Never did I say anyone should be charged for assisting a suicide. But that's exactly what they did.

nota bene said:

So you aren't going to help somebody in need of medical assistance so that you can avoid trouble for yourself.

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One think not considered are that the kids buddies were probably also highly intoxicated (and probably underage).

Dropping the kid off and writing the post it note may have seemed like a great idea at the time.

MaggieD said:

The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that were at the party and helped get him so drunk he should be dead. My point was these people -- you know, the ones who think it's hilarious to watch (and help) a guy to kill himself -- should have their lives made miserable so they no longer think it's a hoot to pour beer or bourbon down a guy's throat until he pukes. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that gave minors a place to party and get wasted, then climb into their cars and attempt to drive home. The "they" I was referring to is the "they" that supplied liquor to a minor and shouted "Whoot!! Whoot!! Whoot!!" while someone kept refilling this guy's glass until he was unconscious. Long before this kid's BAC reached .47!!!!!! he was incapable of serving himself.

Twenty shots in a drinking competition. Every one of their parents ought to be informed. This is disgusting behavior. It is dangerous. It is like playing Russian Roulette. There should be real consequences for people who stand by and watch this happen. Real consequences for adults that permit it.

Never did I say anyone should be charged for assisting a suicide. But that's exactly what they did.

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We do have crimes for that. The they who gave him alcohol are guilty of contributing to the deliquency of a minor or giving alcohol to a minor. Both of which are felonies i am pretty sure. If they forced alcohol onto a person they are guilty of assault. We would also have negligent homicide at least if he had killed himself. I am pretty sure you actually have to intend to have killed him for attempted homicide, so i cannot say they were guilty of that. If they drove while intoxicated then they are guilt of DWI or DUI.

Drinking competitions and games are common, and do not actually involve malice. they are not against the law, nor should they actually be against the law. That is nanny stateism. That does not mean they wanted his death, and since he did not die it does not mean you can charge them with murder. We have crimes for some of these things. If you think we should outlaw drinking games then you should start trying to actually pass that law instead of trying to shoehorn it into assisted suicide. I know, it will never get by proposal. people will do some stupid things while drinking or doing other drugs. I don't ask anyone to come and arrest my friends because i went out and OD'd. Actually forget it and don't ever charge my friends unless they forced it on me, which they do not do. i don't want my friend's lives ruined because i did a stupid on my own free will. Maybe these guys were not actually his friends, and maybe they egged him on into doing something stupid, but unless they forced him to do it the responsibility lies on him along with his OD.