Federal appeals court strikes down union notification requirement

CanadaJohn said:

Perhaps if unions hadn't abused their position over the years they might still be thriving. However, since many unions become entrenched and then spend all their time on feathering the union leadership's pockets and conducting political campaigns, they've lost their reason for existence. Most intelligent workers have come to understand that with the abundance of government legislation/protections in place they've got better ways to spend their hard earned money than on union dues.

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Yea they are pointless like in cases like this:roll:
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CanadaJohn said:

Perhaps if unions hadn't abused their position over the years they might still be thriving. However, since many unions become entrenched and then spend all their time on feathering the union leadership's pockets and conducting political campaigns, they've lost their reason for existence. Most intelligent workers have come to understand that with the abundance of government legislation/protections in place they've got better ways to spend their hard earned money than on union dues.

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I think a lot of the problem lies in the absolute indisputable fact that Americans have no product loyalty, no loyalty to goods made in the United States, and are not willing to pay union labor rates for widgets.

It figures that unions want to force employers to do something against their will. People have the responsibility to know their own rights. It is not your employers job to tell you of your rights. If you can't be arsed to learn it on your own, then that is your own stupid ass fault.

Henrin said:

It figures that unions want to force employers to do something against their will. People have the responsibility to know their own rights. It is not your employers job to tell you of your rights. If you can't be arsed to learn it on your own, then that is your own stupid ass fault.

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The police are required to inform you of your rights when arrested.

TheDemSocialist said:

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So how are unions and the right to join a union unconstitutional?

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that is not what i stated, i stated their is no labor, or unions in the constitution, meaning their is no federal authority. concerning them.

it does not mean people cannot join a union, or create a union, but the federal government cannot be involved in such activity at all.

the makeout hobo said:

Seeing as there was a time when union organizers would be beaten and killed, I can understand how keeping the general peace would necessitate making sure things like that don't happen again.

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only authority can be given to government by an amendment to our constitution, ....government cannot take power, becuase they think they need to.

TheDemSocialist said:

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[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]More and more anti labor decisions and acts. When will it ever end? The National Assn. of Manufacturers called these posters "aggressive".. How is posting something on a wall notifying people of their rights "aggressive"? We might as well take down minimum wage posters, workplace safety posters now as well, since hey you know they notify people of their rights..[/FONT]

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I'm smelling blood in the water here. Labor unions are so desperate, they are trying to get the employers to advertise for them.

Deuce said:

Where is the Air Force?

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the u.s. air force was part of the army until the department of war, made it a separate branch of the military which congress has total authority over of national defense.

Good ruling. The workplace shouldn't be responsible to notify people of their rights. The NLRB also shouldn't mandate that they do so.

digsbe said:

Good ruling. The workplace shouldn't be responsible to notify people of their rights. The NLRB also shouldn't mandate that they do so.

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I strongly disagree.I don't know whether the NLRB is the appropriate regulatory body to create such a rule, but it is already required by federal and state law that employers post the minimum wage and other worker's rights regulations in work places. Adding a few sentences about the right to organize would not be onerous. They already put up a new poster with the latest rules every couple of years.

Employers have been caught many times misrepresenting the laws to their employees. These mandatory posters provide significant knowledge and protection for workers with little cost or inconvenience for the employer.

ernst barkmann said:

the u.s. air force was part of the army until the department of war, made it a separate branch of the military which congress has total authority over of national defense.

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No, the enumerated powers lists only land and naval forces.

If one's interpretation of the constitution is that the enumerated powers are a restrictive list, the Air Force is unconstitutional. However, the prior statement says that congress has the right to collect taxes to "provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." So-called strict constitutionalists often reject the general welfare clause. However, it's in the same statement as national defense, which might cover the Air Force while the enumerated powers does not.

Deuce said:

No, the enumerated powers lists only land and naval forces.

If one's interpretation of the constitution is that the enumerated powers are a restrictive list, the Air Force is unconstitutional. However, the prior statement says that congress has the right to collect taxes to "provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." So-called strict constitutionalists often reject the general welfare clause. However, it's in the same statement as national defense, which might cover the Air Force while the enumerated powers does not.

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do you know the air force was part of the army until 1947?...army air corp.

the army air corp, is under the umbrella of the dept of war, anything under that umbrella they can act.."here is the part of the constitution that covers it?

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

ernst barkmann said:

do you know the air force was part of the army until 1947?...army air corp.

the army air corp, is under the umbrella of the dept of war, anything under that umbrella they can act.."here is the part of the constitution that covers it?

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

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Yes, I am not one who subscribes to that interpretation of the enumerated powers. Article 1, Sect 8 clearly says that congress has the power to provide for national defense and general welfare of the United States. The post I quoted, starting this tangent, said labor wasn't part of the enumerated powers. But if that's how he reads Article 1, Sect 8, then the Air Force is also unconstitutional.

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[SUP][/SUP] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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You see, some people interpret this part as a preamble and that it therefore is not actually describing specific powers of Congress.

Deuce said:

Yes, I am not one who subscribes to that interpretation of the enumerated powers. Article 1, Sect 8 clearly says that congress has the power to provide for national defense and general welfare of the United States. The poster I quoted, starting this tangent, said labor wasn't part of the enumerated powers. But if that's how he reads Article 1, Sect 8, then the Air Force is also unconstitutional.

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no ...becuase the air corp was under the dept of war.

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

since it is under that dept, laws can be made.

since the air power was under the army, power has been given under the constitution for the war dept, to create its construction.

labor is not in the constitution at all...no where is it even eluded to.

welfare.... means the welfare of the nation as a whole, it does not mean giving people money.

welfare the program was created in the 1930's and called "relief" the name was changed to welfare in the early 60's

ernst barkmann said:

no ...becuase the air corp was under the dept of war.

To make all Lawswhich shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

since it is under that dept, laws can be made.

since the air power was under the army, power has been given under the constitution for the war dept, to create its construction.

labor is not in the constitution at all...no where is it even eluded to.

welfare.... means the welfare of the nation as a whole, it does not mean giving people money.

welfare the program was created in the 1930's and called "relief" the name was changed to welfare in the early 60's

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Here, let me bold something else for you. Which of the enumerated powers includes the Air Force? It doesn't matter that a department of war existed. Going on your definition, you can't put "venture capital" under the Department of War and call it constitutional. So which section defines Congress' authority to create an Air Force? (P.S. It doesn't matter what the Air Force used to be. Only what it is now)

Deuce said:

Here, let me bold something else for you. Which of the enumerated powers includes the Air Force? It doesn't matter that a department of war existed. Going on your definition, you can't put "venture capital" under the Department of War and call it constitutional. So which section defines Congress' authority to create an Air Force? (P.S. It doesn't matter what the Air Force used to be. Only what it is now)

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does the air force have its own budget, outside of the dept of defense..........no...... all government did was split off the air corp from the army, make it another institution under the department of war.

care to tell me where venture capitalism is the the constitution...

i would advise dont use the welfare avenue...the founders are clear on that subject.

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

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None of these things mention an air force or a general "department of defense." Specify which listed power you think covers the air force, don't just paste the whole list.