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Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

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The Senate on Monday approved legislation that would for the first time allow states to collect billions of dollars in online sales tax revenue from out-of-state purchases.The 69-27 vote is a major victory for retail groups and state governments, who for years have fought to close what they see as a loophole that allows as much as $23 billion in annual taxes from online sales to go uncollected.

“I’ve been saying it for the past 12 years,” lead sponsor Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) said ahead of the vote. “This bill is about fairness, it’s about leveling the playing field for brick-and-mortar shops.”

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[FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif]Read more: [/FONT]Senate approves online sales tax bill - The Hill's Floor Action[FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif] [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif]Nice to see that Republicans Senators are getting behind "[/FONT][FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif]fairness[/FONT][FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif]".. But i applaud the passing of this bill it is only fair and just. [/FONT]
 
This is shameful. The federal government does not have the authority to act to on these matters.
 
This is shameful. The federal government does not have the authority to act to on these matters.

Taxing and spending clause? Commerce clause?
 
This is shameful. The federal government does not have the authority to act to on these matters.

The federal government does not have the authority to regulate interstate commerce? In what country?
 
No trade dispute
Uh its about states..
"empowers states to collect taxes on purchases made online by consumers in their states from out-of-state retailers. Under current law, states can only collect from companies that are physically located within their borders."
Commerce clause states: "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes"

Therefore constitutional and they do have the authority.

Nothing in this deals with defense or general welfare. Furthermore, its for the states not the federal government.
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence"
Its a tax to me seems constitutional...
 
Uh its about states..
"empowers states to collect taxes on purchases made online by consumers in their states from out-of-state retailers. Under current law, states can only collect from companies that are physically located within their borders."

Commerce clause states: "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes"

Therefore constitutional and they do have the authority.

No, this is about business and the transactions of business that the states want to tax. This does not deal with trade between the states.

"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence"
Its a tax to me seems constitutional...

...to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Notice what the taxes are to be used for. This has nothing to do with any of those things listed.
 
No, its about business and the transactions of business. It does not deal with trade between the states.
Yes it does!
"empowers states to collect taxes on purchases made online by consumers in their states from out-of-state retailers. Under current law, states can only collect from companies that are physically located within their borders."

A tax is a form of regulation, is it not?
...to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Notice what the taxes are to be used for. This has nothing to do with any of those things listed.
So your saying that we dont have debts? Your saying we dont use tax dollars to provide for the common defense and general welfare?
 
Yes it does!
"empowers states to collect taxes on purchases made online by consumers in their states from out-of-state retailers. Under current law, states can only collect from companies that are physically located within their borders."

The reason states can not act outside of their borders is that their jurisdiction ends where their borders lie. That will probably never change. Do you enjoy allowing states to reach outside their jurisdiction? Do you not find that abandons a fundamental part of the constitution?

A tax is a form of regulation, is it not?

Does it matter? No.

So your saying that we dont have debts? Your saying we dont use tax dollars to provide for the common defense and general welfare?

To be used for the "United States"? It has nothing to do with this.
 
The reason states can not act outside of their borders is that their jurisdiction ends where their borders lie. That will probably never change. Do you enjoy allowing states to reach outside their jurisdiction?
Its not reaching outside their borders. When one makes a purchase inside their borders that it not "reaching outside".

Does it matter? No.
of course it does. According to the commerce clause it does matter...


To be used for the "United States"? It has nothing to do with this.
 
Its not reaching outside their borders. When one makes a purchase inside their borders that it not "reaching outside".

argh.. Where is the business again?

of course it does. According to the commerce clause it does matter...

According to the commerce clause it does NOT matter.
 
argh.. Where is the business again?
Where was the purchase made?



According to the commerce clause it does NOT matter.
[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States,
 
Where was the purchase made?

You're missing the point. The business that needs to withhold tax dollars for the state is outside of their jurisdiction. They know this, the federal government knows this and everyone that is aware of the topic knows this. Allowing the federal government to do this for states is allowing states outside of their box.

[The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States,

Yes, among the several states. The two parties involved are both not states.
 
You're missing the point. The business that needs to withhold tax dollars for the state is outside of their jurisdiction. They know this, the federal government knows this and everyone that is aware of the topic knows this. Allowing the federal government to do this for states is allowing states outside of their box.
"Customers who order items online from another state are often supposed to declare the purchases on their tax forms, but few do or are even aware of that requirement."
-This is simply a way to back up that requirement for the states allowing them to make their own laws.


Yes, among the several states. The two parties involved are both not states.
They are however are located in states and transporting good from across state borders.
 
"Customers who order items online from another state are often supposed to declare the purchases on their tax forms, but few do or are even aware of that requirement."

The states can put whatever they desire on their tax code. That doesn't make it constitutional. They can not tax outside of their jurisdiction. Period. I believe what I said just now also happens to be the opinion of the supreme court.

They are however are located in states and transporting good from across state borders.

And your point is? That doesn't make them a listed member.
 
Senate approves Internet sales tax

Senate approves Internet sales tax proposal - May. 6, 2013


Get ready to start paying sales tax on goods you purchase online.

Thanks Barack Obama. He did say he was going to close tax loopholes..... looks like he's closing them for the middle class first.

Hey.... you guys voted for the guy. Enjoy.
 
So who else here is excited about having to pay more in taxes for online purchases? You voted for Obama, now you're getting what you voted for.

He did say he was going to close tax loopholes. Who knew he was going to begin with closing them on the middle class..... oh wait, Mitt Romney knew, and he warned you, and now it's happening.

So now that it will hit you right in the pocket book, just remember that next time you go to the polls to vote for the democrats.
 
I'm not necessarily against new taxes. I think the internet tax could be a sound revenue strategy. My complaint is that it's another tax mainly on the middle class, and it affects purchasing power. The obvious big revenue strategy is to let the Bush era tax cuts expire. I know that I sound like a broken record but it's true. We don't need to close tax loopholes or invent new taxes, we just need remove key tax exemptions to make massive amounts of national revenue.

We weren't dealing with an impending recession before Bush started several wars and gave the most wealthy businesses reduced tax status. It's not all Bush's fault mind you, but his policies were damaging. You can't spend hundreds of billions of dollars on war and then reduce major revenue streams at the same time. That's what causes hemorrhages.
 
Am I personally excited about paying sales taxes on some of my online purchases? No. But I also think it is a fair law. It always bothered me that online businesses had this advantage over brick and mortar businesses, and mail order businesses before that. Also, it looks like small online businesses are exempt from it. As much fault as I can find with Congress and the Administration as of late, I won’t complain about this particular law if it passes.
 
Online sales is clearly an example of interstate commerce, and the interstate sales tax issue is clearly one that needs to be settled by the Federal government.

Besides, shouldn't states have the right to collect sales tax from online sales that go in their boundaries?
 
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