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Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

Yeah, but weirdly the Tea Party Occupied house voted to defund it anyway just a couple months ago. That's how freaky rightwingers are.

FEDERAL MONEY WAS GOING TO ACORN??? Say it ain't so. Was that a Bush policy?
 
Then once again I refer your to my earlier post suggesting that the state of the sale collect the tax for themselves.

How do you feel about states or areas that give tax free benefits to companies to incentivize their opening a business there? Is that unfair to the competitors?

The "state of the sale" is the state where the goods are delivered to and under this law, the state will collect the taxes that are remitted to it by vendors who do business in their state
 
I would imagine that specifically would be struck down. They'd have to raise sales tax on all shoes, not just particular brand names.
Idk. Shadier things have happened in government.
 
Are you deliberately misunderstanding me?


The "state of the sale" is the state where the goods are delivered to and under this law, the state will collect the taxes that are remitted to it by vendors who do business in their state
 
Are you deliberately misunderstanding me?

No, I'm answering your questions

Transactions are considered to have taken place at the location where the exchange completes. In the case of online sales, that happens when the goods are delivered to the purchaser
 
Good grief. I know that. I suggested that the tax be collected where it is sold INSTEAD. That would motivate states to VOLUNTARILY lower their regressive sales taxes plus merchants wouldn't have to deal with 47 different states, no matter how automated.




No, I'm answering your questions

Transactions are considered to have taken place at the location where the exchange completes. In the case of online sales, that happens when the goods are delivered to the purchaser
 
The "state of the sale" is the state where the goods are delivered to and under this law, the state will collect the taxes that are remitted to it by vendors who do business in their state

so states are tax collectors for other states.

so my state now has to remit taxes to 49 other states, which cost me the tax payer "MORE "money to do that.............so it means my state government now has to be bigger so this can be done, and requires more people to run such an operation.
 
Good grief. I know that. I suggested that the tax be collected where it is sold INSTEAD. That would motivate states to VOLUNTARILY lower their regressive sales taxes plus merchants wouldn't have to deal with 47 different states, no matter how automated.

It should not be taxed at where it is sold UNLESS that is where the transaction is finalized. If the transaction hasn't been finalized, then there's been no sale yet.

This is an accounting rule that has been in effect long before the internet was a glimmer in Al Gore's eyes.
 
so states are tax collectors for other states.

so my state now has to remit taxes to 49 other states, which cost me the tax payer "MORE "money to do that.............so it means my state government now has to be bigger so this can be done, and requires more people to run such an operation.

No, vendors have to collect sales tax on their sales. No state will be collecting another states sales tax.
 
No, vendors have to collect sales tax on their sales. No state will be collecting another states sales tax.

i see, so the vendors meaning business, have to send the tax money they collect to 50 different states now.

why does that sound like its going to cost more money too...for them to do business.
 
i see, so the vendors meaning business, have to send the tax money they collect to 50 different states now.

why does that sound like its going to cost more money too...for them to do business.

Because you don't understand how the law or the internet works?

The payments are made electronically by the same program that calculates the sales tax.
 
Apparently you hate states rights to collect sales taxes.

Here's the thing a lot of people don't realize:


You are already obligated to pay sales taxes for online purchases.

But you don't, do you? Pretty much nobody does. If your state levies sales taxes on purchases, you are supposed to be declaring those purchases on your tax returns. But nobody does, really. This just transfers the responsibility to collect those taxes to the retailers, like every other store in freaking history.

Hate business? Why do you hate your state?

(disclaimer: sales tax laws vary by state, there may be an exception or two, but I suspect all states with sales taxes behave this way)

Don't hate States. But I think the States should learn to get along without nanny Federal Government calling the shots.

If a State's citizens don't follow the laws of their State, maybe that should be telling the State something about their laws, eh?

This bill the Senate passed is bad. Period. And it's a good thing there are saner heads in the House who will shut this crap down.
 
Because you don't understand how the law or the internet works?

The payments are made electronically by the same program that calculates the sales tax.

so let me see, if i have you correct...........the vendor...will accrue no added cost to his business.

we will create a tax, and it will have no monetary affects on sales, or too the vendor?...is that what your saying?
 
so let me see, if i have you correct...........the vendor...will accrue no added cost to his business.

we will create a tax, and it will have no monetary affects on sales, or too the vendor?...is that what your saying?

Correct

Vendors are already required to collect sales tax on their sales. No new tax is being created

You have heard of the sales tax before today, haven't you?
 
No, I'm answering your questions

Transactions are considered to have taken place at the location where the exchange completes. In the case of online sales, that happens when the goods are delivered to the purchaser

this is an attempt to get around the "no taxation without representation argument"
 
Correct

Vendors are already required to collect sales tax on their sales. No new tax is being created

You have heard of the sales tax before today, haven't you?

its just another device , of taxing the people.

government controlled internet, freedom never last does it?
 
That's why online sales and brick and mortar sales should be taxed the same, so that brick and mortar isn't discriminated against.

This whole issue has nothing to do with whether online sales and brick and mortar sales should be taxed the same or not. States are free to tax both...or neither.

This Senate bill is about whether one State can require a company that doesn't reside in their State to COLLECT the tax. This is about whether a State can exert control over the citizen of another State.

It's a bad bill.
 
Well enlighten us on why they are supporting it.

Walmart, and other large retail stores are supporting this bill heavily. Walmart can outspend Ebay and Amazon (much higher revenues and profits) in buying politicians, so they can buy the "no tax" republicans.

Secondly if I am not mistaken the large internet stores are generally located in more liberal states, and the loss of revenue (ie taxes) for their states might be an issue
 
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yes, the government needs it's uncompensated tax collectors.. and it's only fair to include every business in this scheme of theirs.
 
Behind the rhetoric is the reality that, until the last couple years, the size of internet purchases was so small that the tax would have been an expense to collect at best. The extreme myopia of Americans is evident in the fixation on "tax"...................The "tax" here is irrelevant on most everyday purchases. It's just a faux talking point..................
 
Walmart, and other large retail stores are supporting this bill heavily. Walmart can outspend Ebay and Amazon (much higher revenues and profits) in buying politicians, so they can buy the "no tax" republicans.

Of course Walmart is supporting this being the are the largest 'brick and mortar' store on the planet.

Secondly if I am not mistaken the large internet stores are generally located in more liberal states, and the loss of revenue (ie taxes) for their states might be an issue

This makes no sense. Are you saying the internet stores are charging sales taxes to consumers in 'less liberal' states then keeping the taxes thereby these states are losing revenue? Funny in ALL the internet purchases I've made the only ones I was charged sales tax were those purchases from internet sites within my state.
 
Of course Walmart is supporting this being the are the largest 'brick and mortar' store on the planet.



This makes no sense. Are you saying the internet stores are charging sales taxes to consumers in 'less liberal' states then keeping the taxes thereby these states are losing revenue? Funny in ALL the internet purchases I've made the only ones I was charged sales tax were those purchases from internet sites within my state.



No I am saying that traditionally republican states are not paying sales taxes because the sales are being made to places like Amazon. Which means that state government does not collect as much in sales taxes as it otherwise would
 
I'm not sure I follow this. Can you expand it some? thx

when you buy something from a state, by phycially being in the state, your sales tax go for roads, electricity the city or state uses, services offered by the state, this is form of representation thru tax dollars

one of the reason before a state could not tax out of state purchases was, how could and out state person get taxed, and not be represented though those goods and services offered to its citizens.

in other words in paying for their roads, electricity, services, but i dont get the opportunity to use them even though i help pay for them.
 
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