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Senate approves online sales tax bill [W:244]

I might be a "slow student" but I've been self-employed for over 40 years. I would consider a profit margin of 8% (let alone 1% to 2%) to be ridiculously low and if that's all that businesses (retail) make in modern times, this will be quite a burden. I know that NV gives you a small rebate to cover compliance costs but collecting for 47 states seems a bit daunting, that's why i suggested earlier that the tax be collected in the state where the sale is made as opposed to the state the product is shipped to.

I'm very unhappy about this new situation since I buy most of my products online, since we have almost no privately owned businesses here. I'm a proud cheapskate and 8.125% is enough to annoy me into changing my shopping habits. If my memory serves, there was original legislation that prevented the states from collecting sales tax on internet sales, so really they are just reverting to the pre-legislation era. Since the states can't print currency, I suppose this will help them provide higher salaries for State employees. Maybe the'll fix the damn roads. Who knows?


I believe the typical profit margin for retailers is ~8%, so yea, if the top line cost of compliance works out to be 1%, then your income has just been reduced from $80K to $70K. That's a rather large impact...

I was pondering when I eating dinner the profits margins of a clothing store which is about 1%- 2% when my mind wondered back to this bill. I just thought I would share the problem that came to me when eating is all.

Good evening, AP.:2wave:
It seems to be your sad lot in life to teach Economics 101 to slow students forever.:doh
 
Liberals have always bugged the hell out of me with their tendency to see a big number like a million dollars and not even consider that is no where near what the owner of the business is bringing home. It's just so frustrating to see how goddamn cocky they are when they base their entire position on the most ignorant idea imaginable.

Failing miserably and peacocking around like they've nailed it, I know, I know...
 
If they actually cared about the consequences, they would simply have the sales tax apply in the State where the sale is made. Suddenly, my state would realize that poking us for 8.125% is killing jobs and our sales tax would vanish.
This has been my position all along. Where my butt cheeks are situated is irrelevant. Buying from a store online in another state is the same as driving to the state and walking in the door... and I would that that state's local sales tax.
 
I might be a "slow student" but I've been self-employed for over 40 years. I would consider a profit margin of 8% (let alone 1% to 2%) to be ridiculously low and if that's all that businesses (retail) make in modern times, this will be quite a burden. I know that NV gives you a small rebate to cover compliance costs but collecting for 47 states seems a bit daunting, that's why i suggested earlier that the tax be collected in the state where the sale is made as opposed to the state the product is shipped to.

I'm very unhappy about this new situation since I buy most of my products online, since we have almost no privately owned businesses here. I'm a proud cheapskate and 8.125% is enough to annoy me into changing my shopping habits. If my memory serves, there was original legislation that prevented the states from collecting sales tax on internet sales, so really they are just reverting to the pre-legislation era. Since the states can't print currency, I suppose this will help them provide higher salaries for State employees. Maybe the'll fix the damn roads. Who knows?

Fair enough.:cool:
 
I'm already on the road. Would you care to run me off that road?

Yes i would. Because i didnt now that modern day liberals were advocated an armed rebellion against the ruling class and advocating that the workers should theretofore then take over the workplace install a workers government and have the working class run the government in a dictatorship of the proletariat and then implemented a plan style economy where people take home what they need based on "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.". I didnt know then the government will slowly rid of all classes and slowly wither away into full communism where there is no money and there is no government or state. Please point out which modern day liberals are advocating this violence and this Marxist style gov..
 
Yes i would. Because i didnt now that modern day liberals were advocated an armed rebellion against the ruling class and advocating that the workers should theretofore then take over the workplace install a workers government and have the working class run the government in a dictatorship of the proletariat and then implemented a plan style economy where people take home what they need based on "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.". I didnt know then the government will slowly rid of all classes and slowly wither away into full communism where there is no money and there is no government or state. Please point out which modern day liberals are advocating this violence and this Marxist style gov..

I didn't post that they were advocating for communism. My point related to the "level playing field" and "pay their fair share" rhetoric that is abundant in today's society. Class war is the hallmark of Marxism, and we certainly have plenty of that going on today...
 
Please don't confuse those who have hijacked the term "liberal" with true Liberals. They are just progressives (mostly Marxists) assuming what is perceived to be an acceptable political identity...

I wouldn't say they are marxists as much as I would say they are planned economy socialist with certain fascist tendencies. There is no doubt that they love their centralized planning of the economy.
 
I didn't post that they were advocating for communism.
Newsflash Marxism is essentially communism.

My point related to the "level playing field" and "pay their fair share" rhetoric that is abundant in today's society. Class war is the hallmark of Marxism, and we certainly have plenty of that going on today...

Advocating higher tax rates and making a more "fair" economic system is not "class warfare"...
 
I didn't post that they were advocating for communism. My point related to the "level playing field" and "pay their fair share" rhetoric that is abundant in today's society. Class war is the hallmark of Marxism, and we certainly have plenty of that going on today...

I would agree with that. They did in fact take a few of their ideas from marxism.
 
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Next thing you know, those Democrats in the Senate are going to do something REALLY stupid like allow other countries to charge our citizens their tax rates on online sales or allow our States to charge people from other countries when they buy something online from the US.

Democrats really hate people and business, don't they.

Apparently you hate states rights to collect sales taxes.

Here's the thing a lot of people don't realize:


You are already obligated to pay sales taxes for online purchases.

But you don't, do you? Pretty much nobody does. If your state levies sales taxes on purchases, you are supposed to be declaring those purchases on your tax returns. But nobody does, really. This just transfers the responsibility to collect those taxes to the retailers, like every other store in freaking history.

Hate business? Why do you hate your state?

(disclaimer: sales tax laws vary by state, there may be an exception or two, but I suspect all states with sales taxes behave this way)
 
Newsflash Marxism is essentially communism.



higher tax rates and making a more "fair" economic system is not "class warfare"...

Advocating high tax rates on certain classes because of how much they have is class warfare.
 
Apparently you hate states rights to collect sales taxes.

They don't have the power to force people do anything outside of their state. If you read the thread you would see we have already been over this.
 
I might be a "slow student" but I've been self-employed for over 40 years. I would consider a profit margin of 8% (let alone 1% to 2%) to be ridiculously low and if that's all that businesses (retail) make in modern times, this will be quite a burden. I know that NV gives you a small rebate to cover compliance costs but collecting for 47 states seems a bit daunting, that's why i suggested earlier that the tax be collected in the state where the sale is made as opposed to the state the product is shipped to.

I'm very unhappy about this new situation since I buy most of my products online, since we have almost no privately owned businesses here. I'm a proud cheapskate and 8.125% is enough to annoy me into changing my shopping habits. If my memory serves, there was original legislation that prevented the states from collecting sales tax on internet sales, so really they are just reverting to the pre-legislation era. Since the states can't print currency, I suppose this will help them provide higher salaries for State employees. Maybe the'll fix the damn roads. Who knows?

Each state will provide free software to calculate the sales tax to be collected.

There is no legislation that prevents a state from collecting sales tax from online sales, although some states may choose not to collect it I suppose.
 
Advocating high tax rates on certain classes because of how much they have is class warfare.

No :2no4:
Advocating tax rates is not class warfare. Class warfare is a struggle against two classes with one class wanting to dominate or destroy the other one.
 
They don't have the power to force people do anything outside of their state. If you read the thread you would see we have already been over this.

But you aren't outside their state if you are selling something to someone in that state.
 
I didn't post that they were advocating for communism. My point related to the "level playing field" and "pay their fair share" rhetoric that is abundant in today's society. Class war is the hallmark of Marxism, and we certainly have plenty of that going on today...

Or maybe we are seeing the reemergence of classwarfare type rhetoric because people sense the reality that a large part of the Right's culture war has always consisted of a baldfaced animosity towards the idea that serfdom was "bad"...........................
 
Apparently you hate states rights to collect sales taxes.

Here's the thing a lot of people don't realize:

You are already obligated to pay sales taxes for online purchases.

But you don't, do you? Pretty much nobody does. If your state levies sales taxes on purchases, you are supposed to be declaring those purchases on your tax returns. But nobody does, really. This just transfers the responsibility to collect those taxes to the retailers, like every other store in freaking history.

Hate business? Why do you hate your state?

(disclaimer: sales tax laws vary by state, there may be an exception or two, but I suspect all states with sales taxes behave this way)
Oh, I know all that. Let me put this as clearly and succinctly as I can. Ahem...

I. Don't. Care.

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But you aren't outside their state if you are selling something to someone in that state.

The bill in question is trying to get taxes from a consumer buying something from an online business outside of their state. The problem is that it turns the business into a tax collector for a state that the business is not even located in. The courts ruled some time ago this kind of action is unconstitutional for states to take part in and as such they have run to the federal government to do their dirty work to get around this little legal issue. The problem with that is two fold. One the federal government lacks the authority and for another it is not wise to allow states to start taxing people outside of their state with or without the federal governments assistance. Their jurisdiction to tax and pass laws is INSIDE their state for a reason and doing away with that is unwise for all parties involved.
 
Oh, I know all that. Let me put this as clearly and succinctly as I can. Ahem...

I. Don't. Care.

:neutral:

Wonderful contribution to the discussion, thank you. Tell us more about your propensity for tax evasion.
 
No :2no4:
Advocating tax rates is not class warfare. Class warfare is a struggle against two classes with one class wanting to dominate or destroy the other one.

Which high taxes do and people are aware of. The richest among us when all taxes are accounted for are at the moment paying over 70% in taxes.
 
Wonderful contribution to the discussion, thank you. Tell us more about your propensity for tax evasion.

Some taxes need to be evaded. If taxes weren't evaded many among us would not have jobs.
 
Which high taxes do and people are aware of. The richest among us when all taxes are accounted for are at the moment paying over 70% in taxes.

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Ohhh plllleeeassse!
 
The bill in question is trying to get taxes from a consumer buying something from an online business outside of their state. The problem is that it turns the business into a tax collector for a state that the business is not even located in. The courts ruled some time ago this kind of action is unconstitutional for states to take part in and as such they have run to the federal government to do their dirty work to get around this little legal issue. The problem with that is two fold. One the federal government lacks the authority and for another it is not wise to allow states to start taxing people outside of their state with or without the federal governments assistance. Their jurisdiction to tax and pass laws is INSIDE their state for a reason and doing away with that is unwise for all parties involved.

Your business may not be physically located in the other state, but you are operating within their state. Why do you think you are exempt from that state's rules? Why doesn't that state get to regulate operations within their borders?

They aren't just arbitrarily taxing people in another state. You are operating in their borders by choice. That choice comes with certain obligations. Feel free to not sell to people in that state.
 
Here's an honest question, because I don't know the answer. What's to stop a state from jacking up the taxes on a particular product to effectively put them out of business? Lets say Congressman X receives money from Nike but not Reebok. What's to stop Congressman X from slipping a higher tax on Reeboks into a bill as a favor to Nike? And before any of you say ethics, think long and hard about what kind of people we're talking about here. We're talking about people that won't vote into law a bill disallowing them to have insider trading rights.
 
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