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Lots of interesting rants here, let me see if I can remember them all.
I guess the 'al-Queera on the run' somehow equals 'Mission Accomplished' is a good start. The former doesn't mean we have won, al-Queera isn't a threat anymore. FYI under BushII al-Queera attacked in Iraq, where they were not before WE invaded, but they also attacked in Spain, Britain, Morocco, the USofA, Bali, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Compared to those days al-Queera is on the run, but only a few who believe in banners on aircraft carriers think that means no ore al-Queera.
To claim Watergate is of lesser 'sin' than Benghazi because no one died... and it was a simple cover-up. As soon as you admit President Obama won't be impeached over this you admit Watergate is a much bigger 'sin' because in no uncertain terms Nixon would have been impeached and the Senate would have voted to uphold.
Personally I'd say first we try BushII for the run-up to Iraq, then his cabinet as the deaths of thousands of citizens over a series of lies and cover-ups seems by far the bigger sin.
Now one thing I can say about first reports and who thinks what action can taken in a timely fashion. Those in the immediate reaction force tend to see the only response is immediate attack, there is no fog of war factor to them. Outpost hit, send the react force NOW. However this isn't an isolated outpost in the jungle where we can surround the embattled troops with nape and snake, before inserting at least 150 men in one lift.
Last of all and the most sensitive are the actions of the ambassador at that time. It is the anniversary of 9-11. It is apparently a worsening situation and he has asked for more security in that country. BUT he leaves the relative safety of the Embassy in Tripoli for the very insecure Consulate in Benghazi. Who was he meeting that it couldn't wait or couldn't be done at the Embassy?
Finally everyone thought the safe house in Benghazi was strong enough to withstand the attack, it was designed to do so. The Ambassador died of smoke inhalation, not direct attack. What should of happened is local security forces clear the area and then escort the Ambassador's team from safe house back to the Embassy in Tripoli where a heightened security detail safeguards those grounds.
Didn't happen that way and I am sure the anti-Obama crowd thinks somehow the results could be changed but for some of us with a bit more experience in how simple things can fall apart without any regard to what we want to have happen, how a Tom Clancy novel would of had it happen...
'Blackhawk Down' shows how a very simple snatch and run mission where we have total dominance in the air, sat relay and other nations involved can turn to **** and become a harrowing ordeal where men die because medivacs are denied in the chaos and confusion of the night time fighting.
Anyway harp on whatever part you like to include did the President knowingly not say terrorist when he knew differently... I doubt there will be any direct connection there, but harp as you want.
Bottomline this won't affect the second term of Obama anymore than Iran Contra affected Reagan... eace
I guess the 'al-Queera on the run' somehow equals 'Mission Accomplished' is a good start. The former doesn't mean we have won, al-Queera isn't a threat anymore. FYI under BushII al-Queera attacked in Iraq, where they were not before WE invaded, but they also attacked in Spain, Britain, Morocco, the USofA, Bali, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Compared to those days al-Queera is on the run, but only a few who believe in banners on aircraft carriers think that means no ore al-Queera.
To claim Watergate is of lesser 'sin' than Benghazi because no one died... and it was a simple cover-up. As soon as you admit President Obama won't be impeached over this you admit Watergate is a much bigger 'sin' because in no uncertain terms Nixon would have been impeached and the Senate would have voted to uphold.
Personally I'd say first we try BushII for the run-up to Iraq, then his cabinet as the deaths of thousands of citizens over a series of lies and cover-ups seems by far the bigger sin.
Now one thing I can say about first reports and who thinks what action can taken in a timely fashion. Those in the immediate reaction force tend to see the only response is immediate attack, there is no fog of war factor to them. Outpost hit, send the react force NOW. However this isn't an isolated outpost in the jungle where we can surround the embattled troops with nape and snake, before inserting at least 150 men in one lift.
Last of all and the most sensitive are the actions of the ambassador at that time. It is the anniversary of 9-11. It is apparently a worsening situation and he has asked for more security in that country. BUT he leaves the relative safety of the Embassy in Tripoli for the very insecure Consulate in Benghazi. Who was he meeting that it couldn't wait or couldn't be done at the Embassy?
Finally everyone thought the safe house in Benghazi was strong enough to withstand the attack, it was designed to do so. The Ambassador died of smoke inhalation, not direct attack. What should of happened is local security forces clear the area and then escort the Ambassador's team from safe house back to the Embassy in Tripoli where a heightened security detail safeguards those grounds.
Didn't happen that way and I am sure the anti-Obama crowd thinks somehow the results could be changed but for some of us with a bit more experience in how simple things can fall apart without any regard to what we want to have happen, how a Tom Clancy novel would of had it happen...
'Blackhawk Down' shows how a very simple snatch and run mission where we have total dominance in the air, sat relay and other nations involved can turn to **** and become a harrowing ordeal where men die because medivacs are denied in the chaos and confusion of the night time fighting.
Anyway harp on whatever part you like to include did the President knowingly not say terrorist when he knew differently... I doubt there will be any direct connection there, but harp as you want.
Bottomline this won't affect the second term of Obama anymore than Iran Contra affected Reagan... eace