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High School Track Team Disqualified When Runner Gestures Thanks to God

Slyfox696 said:
He could have enjoyed everything just as much if he had waited only another second or two.
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No, there is really nothing like that moment. it's like saying you are free to enjoy sex after you climax and clean up, no reason to make a deal out of it during the act
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
No, there is really nothing like that moment. it's like saying you are free to enjoy sex after you climax and clean up, no reason to make a deal out of it during the act
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This isn't enjoying sex after the climax, this is smoking the cigarette during climax. You can wait to smoke the cigarette until you're done.
 
Slyfox696 said:
This isn't enjoying sex after the climax this is smoking the cigarette during climax. You can wait to smoke the cigarette until you're done.
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so you don't make noise when you're having sex, or climax, and just flop around like an emotionless sack of skin and bones?

Also, I'm not getting the smoking analogy. Winning is more akin to a sexual climax, where people get caught up in and enjoy the moment. It's not like the after game drinks or celebratory meal
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
so you don't make noise when you're having sex, or climax, and just flop around like an emotionless sack of skin and bones?
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First of all, we have managed to turn this into a GREAT comparison...high school track relays and sex. Awesome.

Second of all, relay teams make noises when they run. They shout a codeword when they are ready to hand off the big stick. They breathe heavily as they work and they do plenty of pumping as it is, tightly corded muscles working in perfect harmony, sweat rolling down their brow...


...too far?

Also, I'm not getting the smoking analogy. Winning is more akin to a sexual climax
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But celebration is more akin to smoking the cigarette, and what this kid was doing was celebrating. I can enjoy the win without celebrating, much as I can orgasm without have to call my buddies to brag at the moment I release. Not being able to point to the sky doesn't ruin the moment of enjoyment from winning.
 
rocket88 said:
I know for sure breitbart.com wouldn't be bothered by the DQ if that were the case.
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Maybe but that doesn't change the fact that you would be defending the openly homosexual Muslim teen mom on welfare.

So, what does that say about you?
 
Slyfox696 said:
But celebration is more akin to smoking the cigarette, and what this kid was doing was celebrating. I can enjoy the win without celebrating, much as I can orgasm without have to call my buddies to brag at the moment I release. Not being able to point to the sky doesn't ruin the moment of enjoyment from winning.
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I'm not sure shoving your fist in the air, as a spontaneous moment of celebration, is the same as a phone call. it's more like when you go "ohmygods" when you're climaxing
 
Oh boy, here we go again, pity the poor Christian for not following the rules that were meant for everyone.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
I'm not sure shoving your fist in the air, as a spontaneous moment of celebration, is the same as a phone call. it's more like when you go "ohmygods" when you're climaxing
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And if your partner told you if you ever said "ohmygods" when climaxing he/she would deny you for 6 weeks, would you still say "ohmygods" during climax?
 
Slyfox696 said:
And if your partner told you if you ever said "ohmygods" when climaxing he/she would deny you for 6 weeks, would you still say "ohmygods" during climax?
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if she told me that I'd dump her ass
 
zimmer said:
OK didn't notice... Having played a ton of sports at a pretty high level (and one professionally)... raising your arm(s) in victory is a reflex action. This BS is ideal for a Monty Python skit. A mix of Monty Python and Dr. Strangelove.
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I understand, I don't have a problem with raising MOST body parts in victory- what caught my eye both in the title and a few fellas responses was the attempt to martyr yet another Christian, or proclaim GAWD made the victory possible.

But I am of an age where we didn't carry on like a rather minor victory is the same as winning the Superbowl. One bunch laments participation trophies and another bunch can't stand watching a buncha morons, highly physically talented morons, carry on with each and every of dozens of TDs, blocks, tackles, sacks there will be each season as if celebrating it is V-J day all over again...

And sometimes those two bunches have the same members.... ;)
 
notquiteright said:
I understand, I don't have a problem with raising MOST body parts in victory- what caught my eye both in the title and a few fellas responses was the attempt to martyr yet another Christian, or proclaim GAWD made the victory possible.
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So what if that person felt that way? So fecking what.

But I am of an age where we didn't carry on like a rather minor victory is the same as winning the Superbowl.
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They qualified for the state finals. That is as big as it gets for most kids. It is their Superbowl, and when I was competing... I played to win and enjoyed it, and celebrated winning. And... raising your hand isn't quite like an NFL dance and prance celebration.
 
notquiteright said:
I understand, I don't have a problem with raising MOST body parts in victory- what caught my eye both in the title and a few fellas responses was the attempt to martyr yet another Christian, or proclaim GAWD made the victory possible.

But I am of an age where we didn't carry on like a rather minor victory is the same as winning the Superbowl. One bunch laments participation trophies and another bunch can't stand watching a buncha morons, highly physically talented morons, carry on with each and every of dozens of TDs, blocks, tackles, sacks there will be each season as if celebrating it is V-J day all over again...

And sometimes those two bunches have the same members.... ;)
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yeah, the issue seems to be one of moderation: we have a problem with excessive celebration. We do? Well, let's just ban everything
 
Slyfox696 said:
As long as you are truly in love...
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You sure do like to apply new conditions after the fact, don't you?

If we are truly in love she won't get bent out of shape for me saying, "ohmygods".
 
zimmer said:
So what if that person felt that way? So fecking what. They qualified for the state finals. That is as big as it gets for most kids. It is their Superbowl, and when I was competing... I played to win and enjoyed it, and celebrated winning. And... raising your hand isn't quite like an NFL dance and prance celebration.
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The so fecking what of this centers on the opinion being very ill-informed and most likely a partisan whine about 'poor' Christians being hounded rather than violating a rather simple rule- ALL over the head gestures are prohibited. :roll:

So who doesn't compete to win? Who doesn't enjoy winning? That all sounds silly and pointless to the discussion.

You don't stop and think about things do you? I'd imagine the rules on celebrating came about as High School kids started imitating professional players and their antics. I can see the relay teams standing on the finish all doing a chest jump, we all fall down display or some such foolishness. So where does the rules committee draw the line? It isn't that pointing up is bad but rather what else does the committee allow?

I don't see anywhere where the rules say no celebrating, no 'ya can't be happy about winning'. Just no arms overhead....FYI I do believe there is a great shot of Mia Hamm celebrating at the Olympics after a goal, now THAT is as good as it gets, and her hand gestures were to her side so the very idea of raised hands is ingrained in athletes is a bit much.

Bottomline is the kid and his coach knew the rules and as hard a lesson as it is....
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
yeah, the issue seems to be one of moderation: we have a problem with excessive celebration. We do? Well, let's just ban everything
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Not that that is excessive.... :mrgreen:

Be careful what you wish for they just might ban ALL celebrations. Now wouldn't that be silly and of course in no way and no how have they banned ALL celebrating now have they?
 
This is what happens when the rules have to step in for crappy parenting. We all know why these rules came about. It is because of the ridiculous post victory celebratiohns people were doing. People spent more time figuring out their victory dance than actually practicing to get the victory. It became less about the victory, and more about how creatively you could teabag your opponent after victory. parents not only tolerated these displays, but they also encouraged their children to behave in the most raunchy and stupid ways possible when they won. So eventually the losers got ticked with it, and being that there are always more losers than winners they used democracy to end it with rules. Of course, because if you allow any administrator the ability to determine rule violations based on reason and intelligence (things that if they had they would not be administrators) they would allow the crazy to continue, people had to make the rules strict and oppressive because you would have some idiot kid making up a jesus prayer tebow celebration dance if you allowed kids to give thanks to god in their celebration.

Oh, and in the articles i read about it the kid didn't just give a quick point to the sky, he flailed his arm around, made a hug gesture while putting one hand up to his ear, and pointed to the sky. That is an in your face move if you ask me. Oh, and doing stuff like that is not a reflex when you win like some idiots are claiming. I have won many times and my hand did not have any urge to point to the heavens for no reason at all. Actually, when i put my all into it I pretty much wanted to sit down for a minute. Perhaps if dumbass had actually tried his hardest his arm would not have the energy to point up to the sky. Next time he should not sandbag for his victory celebration. At any rate maybe texas parents could start teaching things like sportsmanship.
 
notquiteright said:
The so fecking what of this centers on the opinion being very ill-informed and most likely a partisan whine about 'poor' Christians being hounded rather than violating a rather simple rule- ALL over the head gestures are prohibited. :roll:
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I'm not a very religious person, and it's an issue I personally struggle with; you could say it's the last vestige from my once being a Commi-Lib. I can count on my fingers the number of times I've been in a church aside from architectural curiosity. I simply think the DQ is beyond ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised to see it overruled. It should be. It's that simple. It is among the dumbest rulings I've heard related to sports.

Further... though I was once hostile to Christianity like many Commi-Libs, I asked myself... why? There was no good reason other than indoctrination. Today I'm a tolerant dude. I accept and defend their right to praise the Grace of God.

You don't stop and think about things do you? I'd imagine the rules on celebrating came about as High School kids started imitating professional players and their antics.
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NOT remotely the same. This if anything is a throwback to the 1950's... and we know how some folks here think of that era.

I can see the relay teams standing on the finish all doing a chest jump, we all fall down display or some such foolishness. So where does the rules committee draw the line? It isn't that pointing up is bad but rather what else does the committee allow?
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Not the same as a prance and dance. Not even close.

Bottomline is the kid and his coach knew the rules and as hard a lesson as it is....
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It is a reflection of the level of mental illness this country has descended to. It's perverse. I hope at the next event... everyone does it in protest. I'd love to see them DQ the entire field... the morons.
 
Mycroft said:
You sure do like to apply new conditions after the fact, don't you?

If we are truly in love she won't get bent out of shape for me saying, "ohmygods".
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Not a new rule, I just thought it was apparent when we were talking that we were talking about sex with a loved one. If you'd dump someone you love for that...
 
Slyfox696 said:
This wasn't about suppressing success, it's about suppressing taunting and teaching good sportsmanship. This rule removes the subjectivity aspect, and sets a firm black and white rule. There is no indication of taunting here, but what about all the times there was taunting? Why should the official be forced to subjectively decide whether a team can advance to state or not?

It's not a stupid rule, it's a rule which has come about because of a very real lack of sportsmanship in sports. Contrary to popular opinion, sports are not about winning, but in this "win at all costs" culture we now have, we seen taunting on a regular basis. I have no problem with a rule which cracks down on unsportsmanship like behavior.
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Do you think raising an arm is akin to dancing inthe endzone for 15 minutes?

Raising an arm is excessive? How can that be?
 
Mason66 said:
Do you think raising an arm is akin to dancing inthe endzone for 15 minutes?

Raising an arm is excessive? How can that be?
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It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the rule is. And, for example, they have this same rule in football, where if you raise your arm it's a penalty and the touchdown does not count. This was done because of how much taunting was occurring.

It's not the raising of the arm, it's the taunting. By banning raised arms, you ban taunting and any subjective interpretation of what might be taunting.
 
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