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Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Alleged [W:345/361]

Threegoofs said:
While its nice to pretend that when the President signs a budget it's 'his' budget, it doesn't really work that way.

And the Biden thing (and Dem congressmen) is just firing back politically- they're pointing our that if the GODp had their way, security would be even worse.

Here's a nice article taking the issue out of the political circus realm.

A hidden cause of Benghazi tragedy | David Rohde
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I doubt All 3......Politi-fact, Fact Check. org, and Politico. Were Pretending. Which is why they said Obama was partially to blame with the funding.

Moreover the Political Circus was removed when it was discovered that the Libyans had warned us 3 days prior to the attack. Then after the attack when the Libyan President stated it was a premeditated attack and that AQ was involved. Which Rice Denied and then later Obama denied. Now the truth has come out and it was a Premeditated attack and AQ was involved. Thus ending the Circus of that Political Motivation which was used with the Anti Muslim Video.
 
Threegoofs said:
Could it be that no one is being held accountable because it may be Congress that is responsible for cutting the security budget for Embassies (and Congress rarely blames itself, especially the GOP House)?
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No. Officials testified that it wasnt.


In testimony Wednesday before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary of state for diplomatic security, was asked, “Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?”
Lamb responded, “No, sir.”
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Are Budget Cuts to Blame for Benghazi Attack, as Biden Suggested? - The Daily Beast

And that doesnt answer issues 2 and 3, dealing with attack, and then intentionally misleading the public about it.
 
i am still waiting to learn exactly what were the threats made to the self described whisteblowers
 
justabubba said:
i am still waiting to learn exactly what were the threats made to the self described whisteblowers
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I would guess they were similar to Franz Gayl, essentially ruining his career.

The Case of Marine Corps Whistleblower Franz Gayl - Government Accountability Project

In 2010, three years after Gayl first blew the whistle, his security clearance was revoked. Unfortunately, this is a common retaliatory practice for intelligence whistleblowers as it prevents them from completing job duties. The Corps followed this by placing him on administrative leave. GAP stood by Gayl's side as he has remained committed to his principle of protecting the lives of both American troops and foreign civilians by speaking out on the procurement failures of military bureaucracy.
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jonny5 said:
I would guess they were similar o Franz Gayl, essentially ruining his career.

The Case of Marine Corps Whistleblower Franz Gayl - Government Accountability Project
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unless you are trying to tell us he is one of the benghazi whistleblowers, you have nothing

i am on a first name basis with the office of special counsel, the agency which administers whistleblowing claims. i understand whistleblowing and its ramifications
what i do not know is the threats the self proclaimed whistleblowers are now experiencing
and i believe that is a salient expectation this far into a thread titled


Threats Against Benghazi Whistleblowers Allegedt
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justabubba said:
unless you are trying to tell us he is one of the benghazi whistleblowers, you have nothing

i am on a first name basis with the office of special counsel, the agency which administers whistleblowing claims. i understand whistleblowing and its ramifications
what i do not know is the threats the self proclaimed whistleblowers are now experiencing
and i believe that is a salient expectation this far into a thread titled
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I can only relay the information thats out there so far. You are of course free to doubt it. At least weve move on from 'fox is making it all up'.
 
jonny5 said:
I can only relay the information thats out there so far. You are of course free to doubt it. At least weve move on from 'fox is making it all up'.
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then tell us what are the ****ing threats they have experienced as whistleblowers
 
justabubba said:
unless you are trying to tell us he is one of the benghazi whistleblowers, you have nothing

i am on a first name basis with the office of special counsel, the agency which administers whistleblowing claims. i understand whistleblowing and its ramifications
what i do not know is the threats the self proclaimed whistleblowers are now experiencing
and i believe that is a salient expectation this far into a thread titled
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Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official and Republican counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, is now representing one of the State Department employees. She told Fox News her client and some of the others, who consider themselves whistle-blowers, have been threatened by unnamed Obama administration officials.

“I’m not talking generally, I’m talking specifically about Benghazi – that people have been threatened,” Toensing said in an interview Monday. “And not just the State Department. People have been threatened at the CIA.” …

“It’s frightening, and they’re doing some very despicable threats to people,” she said. “Not ‘we’re going to kill you,’ or not ‘we’re going to prosecute you tomorrow,’ but they’re taking career people and making them well aware that their careers will be over [if they cooperate with congressional investigators].” …..snip~


Well according to this attorney.....who has held Security Clearances to be able to question those with classified information. She is stating Specifically they are being threatened with that their Careers will be over.

Not to difficult to understand.
 
Threegoofs said:
I wonder if Issa is going to run an investigation of how his leadership helped Bush declare a pointless war that killed thousands of our highly trained soldiers?

Oh. I guess that's not a scandal as serious as a raid on an embassy.
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Wow, I was half joking when I predicted the left would blame Bush on this. I never though an ex-President could control the current president with such ease.
 
Anthony60 said:
Wow, I was half joking when I predicted the left would blame Bush on this. I never though an ex-President could control the current president with such ease.
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no surprise, you missed his point
the same folks who are so outraged by the needless loss of American lives at benghazi have been and remain indifferent to the 4,488 American lives lost in a pointless war in iraq
the hypocrisy is vivid
the reich wing pretends not to see it
 
justabubba said:
no surprise, you missed his point
the same folks who are so outraged by the needless loss of American lives at benghazi have been and remain indifferent to the 4,488 American lives lost in a pointless war in iraq
the hypocrisy is vivid
the reich wing pretends not to see it
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Just for the record, didn't miss his point, wrong a it is. And we all get the strategy by now.
 
I'm still waiting to hear what action our commander in chief took when he knew our people were under attack.
 
justabubba said:
no surprise, you missed his point
the same folks who are so outraged by the needless loss of American lives at benghazi have been and remain indifferent to the 4,488 American lives lost in a pointless war in iraq
the hypocrisy is vivid
the reich wing pretends not to see it
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Bring it up in another topic then.
 
jonny5 said:
Bring it up in another topic then.
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it is appropriate to note in this topic
there is a double standard of concern
why?
 
Lachean said:
Yeah yeah, everyone asking questions can be dismissed because they're now labeled "conspiracy theorist." :roll:
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I've heard there are even some nutters out there claiming that the stimulus didn't work as promised, and that unemployment is actually at 7.5% rather than 5%. What loons, eh? Really, for some people you have to wonder, do they really need to have the freedom to access assault speech like that?
 
Anthony60 said:
I'm still waiting to hear what action our commander in chief took when he knew our people were under attack.
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Says the guy with the Batman avatar.

Guess what, this is your proof that the President is not Batman or Superman, or any other superhero fantasy.

Beyond that, Stevens knew of the dangers in Benghazi, yet remained committed to meeting openly with activists:

His return to Libya took place in circumstances that would challenge any diplomat. Mr. Feltman said he was surprised by the network of contacts Mr. Stevens established in Benghazi in weeks, shaping the administration’s understanding of the rebellion’s leaders. As he prepared to take up his post as ambassador this year, Mr. Stevens appeared in an introductory video recalling the United States’ Civil War as an example of overcoming strife. “We know that Libya is still recovering from an intense period of conflict,” he said. “And there are many courageous Libyans who bear the scars of that battle.”

He developed a reputation as a keen observer of Libya’s politics, and, as Ms. Kwiram noted, a patient listener who eagerly sought out activists, diplomats and journalists. He also kept up his routine of daily runs through goat farms, olive groves and vineyards nearby.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/w...ull-of-hope.html?ref=jchristopherstevens&_r=0
 
MMC said:
Victoria Toensing, a former Justice Department official and Republican counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee, is now representing one of the State Department employees. She told Fox News her client and some of the others, who consider themselves whistle-blowers, have been threatened by unnamed Obama administration officials.

“I’m not talking generally, I’m talking specifically about Benghazi – that people have been threatened,” Toensing said in an interview Monday. “And not just the State Department. People have been threatened at the CIA.” …

“It’s frightening, and they’re doing some very despicable threats to people,” she said. “Not ‘we’re going to kill you,’ or not ‘we’re going to prosecute you tomorrow,’ but they’re taking career people and making them well aware that their careers will be over [if they cooperate with congressional investigators].” …..snip~


Well according to this attorney.....who has held Security Clearances to be able to question those with classified information. She is stating Specifically they are being threatened with that their Careers will be over.

Not to difficult to understand.
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Not terribly surprising. When you're threatened with not only losing your career, but losing the ability to get a job in your career field, and having to go hope to break into something else... that's a pretty effective threat with most.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Says the guy with the Batman avatar.

Guess what, this is your proof that the President is not Batman or Superman, or any other superhero fantasy.

Beyond that, Stevens knew of the dangers in Benghazi, yet remained committed to meeting openly with activists:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/w...ull-of-hope.html?ref=jchristopherstevens&_r=0
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It's Steven's fault??? Could be the lamest excuse ever. Yeah, they're all off the hook because Stevens should have known he would be left for dead.
And don't worry, nobody is confusing this dolt with Batman. We were just hoping he was up to being president. Which he obviously isn't.

Oh, and you forgot your "proof", as you didn't post any.
 
cpwill said:
Not terribly surprising. When you're threatened with not only losing your career, but losing the ability to get a job in your career field, and having to go hope to break into something else... that's a pretty effective threat with most.
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I trust that Victoria Toensing is honestly and completely accurate in her relaying the claims made by her clients.

She has a sterling track record over the last 2 decades for seeking and revealing truth.
 
Helix said:
the Benghazi truther stuff is more conspiracy theory than breaking news.
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Helix said:
the Benghazi conspiracy nonsense was invented by fox as a tool to help Romney. though it didn't work with the general public because fox has no credibility, it sold pretty well to Fox's viewers, so apparently they're still running with it. both sides expose tragedy for political gain, and it's slimy.
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Helix said:
nope, asking questions doesn't make one a conspiracy theorist. the fox confirmation bias network has done a lot more than that, though, and now it's moved into conspiracy territory.
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Helix said:
we should probably put it in context.

Terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there have been a lot of embassy attacks. i don't recall another one fueling a conspiracy theory, but i could be wrong. i'd like to know why the others haven't been given similar scrutiny.


edit to add : fox and msnbc have zero journalistic credibility. they surrendered their integrity as part of their business models.
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Helix said:
because fox has chosen to be a confirmation bias-delivering entertainment network, not a legitimate news source. they cherry pick stories and data to support a preexisting conclusion rather than to choose news coverage in any unbiased way. some at fox have decided that this tragedy could be used as a weapon against Obama, and it's as disgusting as the other side using dead kids to push legislation.

i don't watch fox, so you'll have to let me know if they covered earlier embassy attacks with similar vigilance. don't waste too much of your evening researching it, though, because i already can guess the answer with 95+ percent certainty.
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Really. How about NPR?

Witnesses Relate Frustration Over Response To Benghazi Attack : The Two-Way : NPR
 
Anthony60 said:
It's Steven's fault??? Could be the lamest excuse ever.
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Did I say it was "his fault"? No. Every Ambassador knows the dangers, especially one who had served multiple years in Libya.
Yeah, they're all off the hook because Stevens should have known he would be left for dead.
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This is your argument, that the administration left him for dead? He was abandoned, no rescue teams were sent? You have absolutely no idea what happened.


And don't worry, nobody is confusing this dolt with Batman. We were just hoping he was up to being president. Which he obviously isn't.
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Again, what was he supposed to do, exactly? Should he have been on those runs in the Libyan countryside with Stevens? Should he had been there with oxygen in the compound when Stevens was trapped and the place was on fire?

Oh, and you forgot your "proof", as you didn't post any.
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Proof of what, Batman fan?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I trust that Victoria Toensing is honestly and completely accurate in her relaying the claims made by her clients.

She has a sterling track record over the last 2 decades for seeking and revealing truth.
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Victoria Toensing is a partisan hack and has been for many years
 
mac said:
Really. How about NPR?

Witnesses Relate Frustration Over Response To Benghazi Attack : The Two-Way : NPR
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as i said, if it turns out to be a watergate style coverup that brings down the administration, i'll admit that i was wrong.

now,

where was Fox's saturation coverage of other embassy attacks, and where were the congressional investigations concerning those attacks? there were 12 attacks between 2001 and 2008, and 50 people were killed. if this isn't a politically motivated investigation, then perhaps you can show me similar coverage and scrutiny of the other embassy attacks.
 
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