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Christie: Obama ‘Has Kept Every Promise He’s Made’ On Sandy Relief

sawyerloggingon said:
Sorry to point out your hypocrisy.:lol:
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I don't recall criticizing Bush for New Orleans after Katrina. I think the majority of the problem was with the Louisiana State government and the city of New Orleans for not preparing. Bush's slow response didn't help of course, but I don't think it was the only cause.
 
pbrauer said:
LOL This makes Christie's chances of being elected president in 2016 greater, unfortunately for him it decreases his chances of being nominated by the Republican Party.

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Christie: Obama 'Has Kept Every Promise He's Made' On Sandy Relief | TPM LiveWire


New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said Monday that despite the criticism he's taken from some on the right for his embrace of President Barack Obama following Superstorm Sandy, the popular Republican wouldn't have done anything differently.


Appearing on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on the six-month anniversary of Sandy, Christie was asked by host Joe Scarborough if he regrets his bipartisan response to the storm, which battered the Northeast a week before last year's election.


"No. No," the normally outspoken Christie said.


Christie then elaborated, saying he wasn't concerned about the presidential election in the immediate aftermath of Sandy.


"I say the same thing to all my critics, no matter where they are on the spectrum, that is I've got a job to do. And the fact is there was nothing else that ever crossed my mind in the days after," Christie said. "You wake up on Tuesday, October 30th, 7 million of your 8.8 million citizens out of power, there's not a school opened, not a water treatment or waste water treatment plant is operational. Fifty-one gas stations in the whole state are open. You're not sitting there worrying about presidential politics, Joe."


Christie said that while he was a supporter of 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney — and disagrees with Obama virtually across the board — he has to tip his hat to the President's response to Sandy.

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Oh look, it's Laurel and Hardy.
 
Visbek said:
The problem wasn't that "Bush didn't fix New Orleans overnight." It's that the administration didn't take the threat seriously, and botched the immediate aftermath. FEMA was run by an incompetent man with no relevant experience. The failures were almost immediately apparent.
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FEMA is not a legitimate, Constitutional department of the Federal government.
 
joko104 said:
Christie has openly condemned 100% of all Republican members of Congress, after giving Romney's keynote nominating speech ended up boycotting Romney's campaign events, and gave an unqualified endorsement of Obama as president instead.

Christie has no chance of obtaining the Republican nomination, which is reasonable given his open declaration of hatred of all Republican officials and his ongoing campaigning for Obama. For half a year, Christie has been a militant supporter of Democrats and bitter attacker of Republicans. There certainly are reasons for Democrats to love him, but in general only enemies love a backstabber.
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Ouroboros is the snake that consumes itself.
 
The problem with Christie is he has no problem using the federal govt to prop up his state. While this is sometimes consistent with the Republican platform, its not consistent with conservatism. We dont want to popularize someone who praises a redistributionist and begs for money national money to solve local problems.
 
jonny5 said:
The problem with Christie is he has no problem using the federal govt to prop up his state. While this is sometimes consistent with the Republican platform, its not consistent with conservatism. We dont want to popularize someone who praises a redistributionist and begs for money national money to solve local problems.
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Sandy was a multi-state disaster. Coordinating relief and rebuilding undoubtedly extends beyond the resources and expertise of those states.

Not to mention that NY and NJ remit far more in federal taxes than they receive in federal spending. If NJ can't afford to fix this problem on their own, it's because the federal government has been leeching off NJ for years.

I'd also say that conservatives harping on this point is not going to win you any fans in the NY/NJ region, one of the wealthiest and most populated sections of the US. And sometimes, the public has a long memory....

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Ahh, for the days when "Dow Down 12" actually meant something... :mrgreen:
 
Visbek said:
Sandy was a multi-state disaster. Coordinating relief and rebuilding undoubtedly extends beyond the resources and expertise of those states.

Not to mention that NY and NJ remit far more in federal taxes than they receive in federal spending. If NJ can't afford to fix this problem on their own, it's because the federal government has been leeching off NJ for years.

I'd also say that conservatives harping on this point is not going to win you any fans in the NY/NJ region, one of the wealthiest and most populated sections of the US. And sometimes, the public has a long memory....



Ahh, for the days when "Dow Down 12" actually meant something... :mrgreen:
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Its not about winning fans. Thats exactly my problem with Chrisite. How did he go from taking on unions to begging for disaster aid?

Fun fact, the GDP of New Jersey is 450 billion. The costs of Sandy cleanup were 40billion, and the federal govt has given them 1.8bn already. Surely NJ can afford to cleanup after itself.
 
jonny5 said:
Its not about winning fans. Thats exactly my problem with Chrisite. How did he go from taking on unions to begging for disaster aid?
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He's governing a state that got hit with a massive storm, and doesn't have the resources to fix it. By coordinating with federal agencies and securing federal aid, he is doing his job.


Fun fact, the GDP of New Jersey is 450 billion. The costs of Sandy cleanup were 40billion, and the federal govt has given them 1.8bn already. Surely NJ can afford to cleanup after itself.
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The state's annual tax revenue is around $32 billion, and the state constitution requires a balanced budget. In many cases, just balancing the budget requires trickery like underfunding state pensions, tax rebate funds and so forth. There's no way NJ can repair all the damage on its own, at least not without imposing a massive tax burden and/or figuring out how to borrow huge sums.

And as noted, New Jersey remits more in federal taxes than it receives in benefits -- as do most so-called "Blue" states. (Many "red" states, by the way, receive more in federal dollars than they remit in federal taxes...). E.g. in 2007, New Jersey sent $121 billion to Washington, and received $63 billion in spending.

This is not to say that federal aid is contingent upon tax remittances, only that it's hardly the case that NJ is a big leech on the nation.
 
Visbek said:
He's governing a state that got hit with a massive storm, and doesn't have the resources to fix it. By coordinating with federal agencies and securing federal aid, he is doing his job.



The state's annual tax revenue is around $32 billion, and the state constitution requires a balanced budget. In many cases, just balancing the budget requires trickery like underfunding state pensions, tax rebate funds and so forth. There's no way NJ can repair all the damage on its own, at least not without imposing a massive tax burden and/or figuring out how to borrow huge sums.

And as noted, New Jersey remits more in federal taxes than it receives in benefits -- as do most so-called "Blue" states. (Many "red" states, by the way, receive more in federal dollars than they remit in federal taxes...). E.g. in 2007, New Jersey sent $121 billion to Washington, and received $63 billion in spending.

This is not to say that federal aid is contingent upon tax remittances, only that it's hardly the case that NJ is a big leech on the nation.
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Irrelevant. Taxes pay for shared defense and justice. There is no expectation of getting that money back directly. Furthermore, NJ CAN repair the damage on its own. THey have the product to borrow huge sums, and Im sure the people would pay extra taxes if they wanted to have the money to deal with disasters. A state should not support using the federal govt to redistribute wealth. A conservative definetly should not, but a Republican might.
 
"When your neighbours house in on fire you don't haggle over the price of your garden hose".
 
Jetboogieman said:
"When your neighbours house in on fire you don't haggle over the price of your garden hose".
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This wasnt a fire, it was wind and rain. But to complete your analogy it would be the fire department breaking into your house and taking your hose. Not a neighbor voluntarily helping another neigbor.
 
jonny5 said:
Irrelevant. Taxes pay for shared defense and justice.
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Taxes pay for a lot of things -- including relief and rebuilding.

As far as I know, Christie has never presented himself as an ultra-conservative. He's a moderate.


Furthermore, NJ CAN repair the damage on its own. THey have the product to borrow huge sums....
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Doing so would increase the state's debts by about 40%. It could also require amending the state constitution, though I don't know how that would work.


Im sure the people would pay extra taxes if they wanted to have the money to deal with disasters. A state should not support using the federal govt to redistribute wealth. A conservative definetly should not, but a Republican might.
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No, actually, the federal government ought to step in and help a state that doesn't have sufficient resources.

Nor is this a matter of "redistributing wealth." No one is saying "take money from the wealthy, and give it to the poor." In fact, it's about amortizing the costs of recovery across the entire US, and as a result the entire nation benefits.

Plus... it's working. Although the recovery isn't perfect, FEMA is doing a pretty good job this time around -- as one might expect from an administration which actually takes its responsibilities seriously, and recognizes that government is actually good at certain tasks.

Comments like yours seems like the carpenter who grabs a hammer, and thinks everything is a nail. This is about emergency relief, not conservative talking points. And any governor whose state gets walloped by a massive storm, and gives the President the middle finger for providing assistance, is not helping his or her constituents.
 
Visbek said:
Taxes pay for a lot of things -- including relief and rebuilding.

As far as I know, Christie has never presented himself as an ultra-conservative. He's a moderate.



Doing so would increase the state's debts by about 40%. It could also require amending the state constitution, though I don't know how that would work.



No, actually, the federal government ought to step in and help a state that doesn't have sufficient resources.

Nor is this a matter of "redistributing wealth." No one is saying "take money from the wealthy, and give it to the poor." In fact, it's about amortizing the costs of recovery across the entire US, and as a result the entire nation benefits.

Plus... it's working. Although the recovery isn't perfect, FEMA is doing a pretty good job this time around -- as one might expect from an administration which actually takes its responsibilities seriously, and recognizes that government is actually good at certain tasks.

Comments like yours seems like the carpenter who grabs a hammer, and thinks everything is a nail. This is about emergency relief, not conservative talking points. And any governor whose state gets walloped by a massive storm, and gives the President the middle finger for providing assistance, is not helping his or her constituents.
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I dont read split quotes.
 
it hilarious that some republicans are butt hurt over Christie trying to DO HIS JOB and do it HONESTLY and FOR THE PEOPLE.

many many people cry and whine about politics and say politicians never do what they should, they never look out for the people enough. They are always just looking out for their own pockets, interest and party image.

Well Christy does what a politician should do and he is bashed for it by SOME. LMAO

Guess what, those people are proof that its not just the politicians but the people that are mentally challenged and biased beyond reason and logic. Well those retards need to wake up becuse they are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
 
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pbrauer said:
LOL This makes Christie's chances of being elected president as a Democrat in 2016 greater...
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After Obama this might be your best hope. Hillary is toast thanks to Benghazi... Biden has one foot in the looney bin... who is the great hope for 2016. The D's have just about used all their freak shows and rabbits up.

You folks have a transtesticle candidate in the wings? Could be your one shot (no pun intended).
 
zimmer said:
After Obama this might be your best hope. Hillary is toast thanks to Benghazi..
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The GOP doesn't have anyone who could beat Hillary Clinton.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
AGENT J said:
it hilarious that some republicans are butt hurt over Christie trying to DO HIS JOB and do it HONESTLY and FOR THE PEOPLE.

many many people cry and whine about politics and say politicians never do what they should, they never look out for the people enough. They are always just looking out for their own pockets, interest and party image.

Well Christy does what a politician should do and he is bashed for it by SOME. LMAO

Guess what, those people are proof that its not just the politicians but the people that are mentally challenged and biased beyond reason and logic. Well those retards need to wake up becuse they are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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If he was doing his job he would make sure his state is prepared for a disaster, not relying on others.
 
jonny5 said:
If he was doing his job he would make sure his state is prepared for a disaster, not relying on others.
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LMAO
yes cause we all know all states are prepared for disasters of that magnitude
 
Ikari said:
Do they have better catered events? Christie can't resist a buffet.
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Well, if you believe some people Obama's eaten more lobster in the past 4 years than the entire state of Missouri in a lifetime. So they must.

But really, who can resist a buffet?
 
shrubnose said:
The GOP doesn't have anyone who could beat Hillary Clinton.



"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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I disagree, there's plenty of talented people in the GOP who would beat Hillary easily. The question is, will any of them run, and will any of them survive the primaries?
 
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