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Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medicine

Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

Property, no, but I do consider that a parent is responsible for making decisions on behalf of their children and, unfortunately, they have a right to be wrong. They did not kill their children, but their faith told them that they were doing the right thing on behalf of those children. They were so committed to their faith that it happened again. No, I do not see them as a threat to society and I wouldn't want them babysitting anyone I loved, but how would jailing two grieving parents going to help society? Should they be able to adopt, no, we leave society to be the judge of who can and cannot adopt. Are you in favor of instituting some kind of test to be a parent? Sure, people joke about it but is that really the path we want to go down?

Maybe it will convince the next parents that letting your children die because of your faith in some supernatural being may not be the right course of action. You are correct - a parent is responsible for making decisions on behalf of their children. But when they make criminally negligent decisions, they ought to pay the consequences. Having children does not give you the right to dispose of them as you see fit.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

So you count inaction to be a reason for murder? I would not have done what they did and I suspect that you would not either, but do we really want to make inaction warrant a charge of murder?

I'd have no problem with manslaughter or negligent homicide.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Who's this "we" you are referring to?

The giant mountain of straw to your left.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

I am up for sterilization of both parents if they don't want jail time. Yes, I guess it is sad that these infants died due to parental neglect, but less pollution to the gene pool and society comes from their parent's negligence. The people who really lost here are actually the parents, and I am cool with just preventing them from reproducing in the future. But if we want to toss them in jail or execute them I can get behind that too. Any thing at all to keep them from breeding.

I'm all for a bullet in the back of the head. People this stupid and gullible shouldn't breed and if they do and kill their kids, they have no business breathing the same air as decent folks.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

No less vile than abortions carried out every day, every hour.

At least their intents were not equally vile as in the case of abortion, however.

So throw em in the clink for murder, right after ever abortion doctor and woman who has had one.

One is legal, the other is not. Do try again. :roll:
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

One is legal, the other is not. Do try again. :roll:

Oh, is it illegal to believe in spiritual/faith based healing? Do try again.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Oh, is it illegal to believe in spiritual/faith based healing? Do try again.

No, but it is illegal to deny your child adequate medical care in the belief that a supernatural being is going to do the job.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

No, but it is illegal to deny your child adequate medical care in the belief that a supernatural being is going to do the job.

Show me the criminal statute that requires parents to turn over their children to hospitals for care.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Yet, we go out of our way to mitigate the acts of the religious Islamic terrorist...

Yeah, nobody really does that (except other Islamic terrorists), and it's also irrelevant to this thread. Way to stand up for partisan stupidity, though.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Show me the criminal statute that requires parents to turn over their children to hospitals for care.

It's called negligent homicide, and generally stems from the language of the murder statute for any given jurisdiction. The California case that settled this issue (in California) is called People v Burden (72 Cal. App. 3d 603) (1977). Your jurisdiction almost certainly has a similar case. It's fairly ubiquitous. See also Walker v Superior Court (47 Cal. 3d 112 (1988)). Basically the same issue.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Oh, is it illegal to believe in spiritual/faith based healing? Do try again.

No, it's illegal not to provide medical treatment for your children. It's just f'ing stupid to believe in spiritual/faith based healing.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

It did. Those children will not pass on the stupid gene.
They have 7 other children.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

No, it's illegal not to provide medical treatment for your children. It's just f'ing stupid to believe in spiritual/faith based healing.

Depends on what state you reside, actually, much like prohibitions on abortion.
 
Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

I'm all for a bullet in the back of the head. People this stupid and gullible shouldn't breed and if they do and kill their kids, they have no business breathing the same air as decent folks.

Do you have a list of who qualifies in being "decent folks"?
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Epic Fail.

Really? So you support the needles killing of unborn babies for convenience. Got it.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

As with many other things, you 'get' nothing.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Show me the criminal statute that requires parents to turn over their children to hospitals for care.

These folks are about to find out about statutes regarding 'criminal negligence', 'negligent homicide', and 'depraved indifference'. I continue to be amused at the spirited defense put forward for people who allowed their second child to die because of their archaic and dangerous beliefs.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

They have 7 other children.

Let's hope none of them get any of the usual childhood ailments that, if left untreated, could kill them. If it happens, however, I'm sure there are those on this forum that would rush to the defense of their 'religious freedom'.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

Let's hope none of them get any of the usual childhood ailments that, if left untreated, could kill them. If it happens, however, I'm sure there are those on this forum that would rush to the defense of their 'religious freedom'.
And of course your assumptions are absolutely ridiculous.

OK, we get it, you hate all religious people, most likely because you're an ex-Christian who is pissed off because you were so fooled for so long. But other atheists such as myself are more tolerant of religious folks. We were never fooled in the first place.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

These folks are about to find out about statutes regarding 'criminal negligence', 'negligent homicide', and 'depraved indifference'. I continue to be amused at the spirited defense put forward for people who allowed their second child to die because of their archaic and dangerous beliefs.

Where is your proof of this? Maybe you should be the one to learn about things like innocent until proven guilty and due process of law.
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Medi

The conditions of their probation after the first child's death required them to bring the children for regular medical checks, among other requirements not complied with. they could go away for eight years for that alone. That would give their present children a sporting chance of surviving to adulthood. Thier beliefs are not archaic, they are bizarre. Even the humblest peasant would try folk remedies supplemented by prayer, and not take their extremist stance.
 
Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

These folks are about to find out about statutes regarding 'criminal negligence', 'negligent homicide', and 'depraved indifference'. I continue to be amused at the spirited defense put forward for people who allowed their second child to die because of their archaic and dangerous beliefs.

Are there other beliefs that others have that you decided were dangerous? Should a welfare mother be allowed to have more children even though she cannot support them? Help me where the line is in society pushing its views on the individual.

Did the parents have a party to celebrate the death of their children or is your or anyone else's feelings more important?
 
Re: Catherine, Herbert Schaible's Second Child Dies After Parents Use Prayer, No Me

No, what's really important here is that there are two dead children who didn't have to die. I think my priorities are just fine. I put that fact over the parents' sensibilities every time. I'm sorry you don't see that.

The 'archaic and dangerous belief' is that a mystical figure will step in to save your child because you believe it, and therefore medicine is unnecessary.
 
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