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GOP Congressman: ‘Increase Surveillance’ of Muslim Community

"Unfortunately, we have too many mosques in this country. There are too many people who are sympathetic to radical Islam. We should be looking at them more carefully. We should be finding out how we can infiltrate."


"I think there’s been a lack of full cooperation from too many people in the Muslim community. And it’s a real threat here in this country."

“[Y]ou could say that 80-85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists.”

“I know of any number of mosques in New York…where there are radicals in there.”

Muslims are “an enemy living amongst us.”

“They won’t turn in their own. They won’t tell what’s going on in the mosques. They won’t come forward and cooperate with the police.”

If you know there are radicals in the New York mosques, have you told the local police or Homeland Security,or the FBI?
 
he probably won't. ever. that's how it works when you only seek data that supports your theory instead of testing your theory with data.

don't get me wrong; I'm depressed by this violent bull****, and I find zealotry of all types to be the root cause. however, I doubt that the number of violent Muslims in the US even approaches one percent. what he's suggesting is akin to monitoring all white people in order to catch serial killers.

Right, I think the number of deaths Muslim Americans terrorist acts since 2001 is something like 20? I agree that we should track those who come into the country suspiciously and agree with disrupting terrorist organizations overseas that could potentially attack the US, yada yada. But lets be serious. If you or I decided we wanted to make a bomb and take out a bunch of people in public we could do it. Fairly easily I might add. The only thing stopping you or I from doing it is rationality and valuing human life; and we can't spend tens of billions of dollars on surveillance of the 99.9% of rational people to try and prevent the .1% of irrational people from being able to do anything.
 
It has to do with the statistical justification for your idea, if you're going to target a specific group like that then the exact same logic applies to targeting males over females for gun crime or any crime in general for that matter.

Show me where I stated target, you can't, stop making stuff up
 
Not only do we need to take a closer look at what's being taught in mosques, we need to take a closer look at what radical Left Wing Domestic Terrorists like Bill Ayers are teaching our children in schools
 
Show me where I stated target, you can't, stop making stuff up

Target the Muslim community with increased surveillance. That's what you meant, so why not target males with increased surveillance they commit most crimes in every category.

That's a weak retort man, you're just stalling and distracting.
 
If you know there are radicals in the New York mosques, have you told the local police or Homeland Security,or the FBI?
Pssst.....those are quotes from Peter King.
 
Target the Muslim community with increased surveillance. That's what you meant, so why not target males with increased surveillance they commit most crimes in every category.

That's a weak retort man, you're just stalling and distracting.

So now you are telling me what I meant instead of reading what I posted, you should definitely change your handle here.
 
So now you are telling me what I meant instead of reading what I posted, you should definitely change your handle here.

I don't want to play word games so let me just rephrase the question. If we are going to increase surveillance on Muslims, why not all males in general, there's statistical justification for both?
 
In Peter King's defense, in 1995 he advocated rounding up everybody who's last name started with "Mc" and putting them in concentration camps. Oh, he didn't?....Never mind then.


Yeah, because you have tons of examples of bombings committed by people whose last name started with "Mc".

Oh, you don't? .... Never mind then.
 
I don't want to play word games so let me just rephrase the question. If we are going to increase surveillance on Muslims, why not all males in general, there's statistical justification for both?

Really? show us

Show us how how many terrorist attacks have taken place on US soil by each group. Let's also see the list of casualties and damage
 
Make all religious nuts register guns and watch them. Christian Muslim scientologist all.
 
I'm sorry but Mr King is correct. There have been 45-50 thwarted attacks by muslims since 2001. Its not about political correctness or profiling or anything like that. It's about using logical deduction and figuring out that yes, people of the faith of Islam attack us or attempt to attack us more than others. There's nothing violating about that. It's a friggin fact. Its the equivalent of saying the police are wrong for concentrating in the ghetto because mostly blacks live there. Yes, it is true mostly blacks live there. There is more crime in the ghetto than in the suburbs as well. Its a logical use of law enforcement resources. I'm not advocating for wire tapping or anything like that. But I am good with law enforcement agencies setting up task forces with the specific task of following leads in this area. Tips fly in on the daily about terrorist activity, etc. We should allow large municipalities to concentrate their efforts on thwarting these attacks by Islamists. We have no issue with them setting up gang task forces, anti-trafficking task forces, anti-drug task forces. We shouldn't have an issue with anti-terrorism task forces. Unfortunately for muslims, anti-terrorism task forces are going to lead them to the mosques and gathering places of their faith. A very indicative fact in this entire case about the nature of Islam is that these guys family NEVER called in and said they recognized them. They have extensive family here. A father, uncle, aunt, sisters, etc and none of them called in and said they knew who he was. I don't care if my wife or son did this, they would be as good as caught if they did.
 
A very indicative fact in this entire case about the nature of Islam is that these guys family NEVER called in and said they recognized them. They have extensive family here. A father, uncle, aunt, sisters, etc and none of them called in and said they knew who he was. I don't care if my wife or son did this, they would be as good as caught if they did.

And to the many others who have been brought forth that were classmates, friends, and so forth that were in disbelief that it was them?
 
And to the many others who have been brought forth that were classmates, friends, and so forth that were in disbelief that it was them?
All I know of at this point is two male and one female room mate. We don't know anything about them yet which is why I didn't mention them. Also, their family (minus one uncle) has claimed a big US conspiracy against them and denied that they did it. This is despite the fact that the FBI has video of the youngest dropping one of the packs that blew up. Disbelief and withholding are two very different things. I was in disbelief that the young man they kept showing on TV was a terrorist as I'm sure many others were.
 
All I know of at this point is two male and one female room mate. We don't know anything about them yet which is why I didn't mention them. Also, their family (minus one uncle) has claimed a big US conspiracy against them and denied that they did it. This is despite the fact that the FBI has video of the youngest dropping one of the packs that blew up. Disbelief and withholding are two very different things. I was in disbelief that the young man they kept showing on TV was a terrorist as I'm sure many others were.

These colleagues, classmates, and friends did not become public figures until today. This includes the family members. Some of the best statements against this heinous series of events came from one of the Uncles.

While I can both understand and have some issues with some family members claiming these two men were framed, and some reports that there was some truther elements involved, you cannot just say "oh this is indicative of Islam!"
 
These colleagues, classmates, and friends did not become public figures until today. This includes the family members. Some of the best statements against this heinous series of events came from one of the Uncles.

While I can both understand and have some issues with some family members claiming these two men were framed, and some reports that there was some truther elements involved, you cannot just say "oh this is indicative of Islam!"
Why can't I say that? Very rarely do you see muslims roll over on fellow muslims. When they do, you see things like the OBL informer being imprisoned in Pakistan and tortured.
 
Why can't I say that? Very rarely do you see muslims roll over on fellow muslims. When they do, you see things like the OBL informer being imprisoned in Pakistan and tortured.

Maybe we aren't looking close enough and shut out contrary concepts, as had been discussed earlier.
 
Maybe we aren't looking close enough and shut out contrary concepts, as had been discussed earlier.
Which post or series of posts are you speaking of? I don't think I read them.
 
Which post or series of posts are you speaking of? I don't think I read them.

One of the many threads in which it was about how Muslims keep silent against the acts of terrorism. Of course, when we showed otherwise throughout the years, that conveniently gets shoved underneath a rug.
 
Yeah, because you have tons of examples of bombings committed by people whose last name started with "Mc".

Oh, you don't? .... Never mind then.

Between McVeigh and the IRA...I think there's just as much justification to put all people of Irish descent under surveillance.
 
One of the many threads in which it was about how Muslims keep silent against the acts of terrorism. Of course, when we showed otherwise throughout the years, that conveniently gets shoved underneath a rug.

Shoved underneath a rug by Muslims?:cool:
 
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