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College Professor Arrested for Profane Rant at Pro-Life Students

Risky Thicket said:
Well maybe in Canada, eh? Americans are a bit more demonstrative.
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We have our fair share of profane lunatics, many of them with tenure in our finest universities, and they demonstrate often. It is common, however, in the US, is it not, that those protesting both sides of the abortion issue are required to separate themselves when asked by police and if they don't they may be arrested. Causing a public confrontation is not a protest/demonstration alone, if police feel tempers are escalating to where violence may result. I don't know all the details, but I'm not prepared to accept that the professor wasn't properly arrested.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Depends if that person is in your face or you feel threatened. It's quite possible the professor will be let go without charges being laid, but that doesn't mean the police acted improperly by arresting her and removing her from the scene. In addition, as I understand it, she was profane with and disrespectful to the police when confronted by them - that alone can cause you to be arrested.
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Who the **** cares if you're profane and disrespectful with the police, that in no way shape or form should cause you to get arrested. It's bull**** no matter what way you slice it.
 
Ikari said:
Who the **** cares if you're profane and disrespectful with the police, that in no way shape or form should cause you to get arrested. It's bull**** no matter what way you slice it.
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Try it sometime and let me know how it goes, but don't call me from jail because I won't be posting bail.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Try it sometime and let me know how it goes, but don't call me from jail because I won't be posting bail.
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I am not saying they can't, I'm saying it's bull**** that they do. It's called reading, for christ's sake.
 
We don't have all the facts. Given what we know, had I been the responding officer, I would have told her that she was not under arrest. I would then have asked her to go inside a nearby building so that I could better hear her side of the issue. Once inside I would let her rant on without a public audience. This allows her to save a bit of face and removes her from the situation. Simple enough.

All too often these days, with militarized law enforcement and government determined "free speech zones" arrest is the only resolution to public confrontation.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'm guessing you're passion speaks from experience - power on.
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I don't like whinny little bitches who run to government every time something doesn't go there way and leaves the lot of us with a ridiculous amount of law, government force, and unhindered police discretion. Tired of it. People don't seem to understand, the government will listen when they say "you need to do something about X", but try keeping them out of X when they don't belong there.

Words are not enough for assault, cops should never be allowed to arrest one for being rude, people need to grow up.
 
Risky Thicket said:
All too often these days, with militarized law enforcement and government determined "free speech zones" arrest is the only resolution to public confrontation.
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And this is one of the biggest problems.
 
Ikari said:
I don't care if I curse at an inanimate object of tell someone to go **** themselves repeatedly; cursing does not infringe upon anyone's rights.
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Maybe it shouldn't be illegal. But as a college student, I can tell you the worst possible thing a professor can do is shout a student down. Its funny how some professors claim that college is supposed to be about "opening the mind" and being "exposed to new ideas" (a premise which I find to be a load of bullcrap) yet some of these very same professors are quite intolerant of anyone who dissents with their views.

I get instate tuition at one of the cheapest public universities in the country (yet is top notch in their STEM degrees), yet it is still over $700 for a 3 credit class. I had a professor last semester who consistently either cut students off, shouted them down, or mocked them if they had any disagreement over what he said. Why the **** am I paying $700 for some snob to get to lecture and test me on their ideology for 3 hours a week, yet if I point out a single flaw in his argument, or point out a single dissenting fact, or offer a single alternative hypothesis I'm automatically wrong because I'm some racist/colorblind-racist/sexist/heartless/biggoted/white supremist who secretly sympathizes with neo-Nazi's and the KKK. Oh and the worst part was half our grade was attendance, so I was pretty much forced to listen to his rants about how science is fiction, gender doesn't exist, drug dealers and murderers are really just poor souls affected by racism, and the media is to blame for gay male couples beating each other. If you are wondering where my inspiration for my signature came from, now you know. It literally was the worst experience in my academic career.

Long story short: Maybe it shouldn't be illegal, but intolerant professors are in infringement on my rights as a student, and have no place in our school system.
 
Ikari said:
I don't like whinny little bitches who run to government every time something doesn't go there way and leaves the lot of us with a ridiculous amount of law, government force, and unhindered police discretion. Tired of it. People don't seem to understand, the government will listen when they say "you need to do something about X", but try keeping them out of X when they don't belong there.

Words are not enough for assault, cops should never be allowed to arrest one for being rude, people need to grow up.
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I don't disagree with your sentiments, but we don't know what actually happened here and I'm pretty sure the police do not arrest people simply for swearing.
 
ReformCollege said:
Maybe it shouldn't be illegal. But as a college student, I can tell you the worst possible thing a professor can do is shout a student down. Its funny how some professors claim that college is supposed to be about "opening the mind" and being "exposed to new ideas" (a premise which I find to be a load of bullcrap) yet some of these very same professors are quite intolerant of anyone who dissents with their views.

I get instate tuition at one of the cheapest public universities in the country (yet is top notch in their STEM degrees), yet it is still over $700 for a 3 credit class. I had a professor last semester who consistently either cut students off, shouted them down, or mocked them if they had any disagreement over what he said. Why the **** am I paying $700 for some snob to get to lecture and test me on their ideology for 3 hours a week, yet if I point out a single flaw in his argument, or point out a single dissenting fact, or offer a single alternative hypothesis I'm automatically wrong because I'm some racist/colorblind-racist/sexist/heartless/biggoted/white supremist who secretly sympathizes with neo-Nazi's and the KKK. Oh and the worst part was half our grade was attendance, so I was pretty much forced to listen to his rants about how science is fiction, gender doesn't exist, drug dealers and murderers are really just poor souls affected by racism, and the media is to blame for gay male couples beating each other. If you are wondering where my inspiration for my signature came from, now you know. It literally was the worst experience in my academic career.

Long story short: Maybe it shouldn't be illegal, but intolerant professors are in infringement on my rights as a student, and have no place in our school system.
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What "right" as a student? You're the dumbass who kept going to the class, kept paying the school. Maybe you can get your 700 bucks back, but to claim that you somehow have jurisdiction over people's mouths because you put a little cash down is just a bit too far.
 
The OP's vid clip is no longer available, so here's YouTube so all can judge for themselves:

 
Ikari said:
What "right" as a student? You're the dumbass who kept going to the class, kept paying the school. Maybe you can get your 700 bucks back, but to claim that you somehow have jurisdiction over people's mouths because you put a little cash down is just a bit too far.
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Perhaps you didn't see the part about attendance being half the grade. I could have stopped going to class, but receiving an F wasn't an acceptable alternative. The school is under no obligation to give me my money back or fire the teacher because the school literally doesn't care as long as they get their money. I don't claim to have jurisdiction over anyone's mouth, he can say whatever he wants to. But if he's going to try to shout me (it wasn't ever me, it was other students; I either kept my mouth shut or keenly asked him a question in a way in which he'd make himself look stupid) down, but I will get "disciplinary action" from either him or the school if I return the favor..... that sort of hypocracy I do have a problem with.

You're probably going to say "deal with it, you'll get that from a boss as well" to which I'm going to say.... "yeah but my boss pays me, I'm not paying him."
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't disagree with your sentiments, but we don't know what actually happened here and I'm pretty sure the police do not arrest people simply for swearing.
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From what we have seen here is what I believe happened.

The cops were called to respond.

Initially, they were assessing the situation.

Anyone threatened or harmed? No.

Is there more to this than what we've been told or what we see? We don't know yet.

Can the situation escalate? Wait and see.

Is she going to run out of steam? Not yet.

Is she going to go bat-****e crazy if we leave? Don't know, but she isn't calming down. At this point they should have asked her to step inside a building so that they could hear her side of the story out of public view. They didn't.

The adjunct seems to have backed herself into a corner now and cannot save face. Her anger grows. A little more public anger and the police may have enough to arrest her. At this point she seems to be taunting the police.

They arrest her.

In my opinion the police may have had the power to avoid all this if they had peacefully gotten her to remove herself from the situation and go inside a building. The cops didn't do this to my knowledge. The police, it appears, decided to take the power and authority approach to end the situation. Bad move.
 
I'm not defending the lack of class exhibited here but I'm curious about the extent of the first amendment coverage.

For example, if I say **** you to somebody, that might be considered "fighting words" and could result in a disorderly conduct charge. But if I say **** Obama, hell, I'll make a bunch of new friends. So, where is the line I wonder...



Fisher said:
Depends on whether you are directing it at someone else or the heavens when you smash your thumb with a hammer. Situations matter.
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specklebang said:
I'm not defending the lack of class exhibited here but I'm curious about the extent of the first amendment coverage.

For example, if I say **** you to somebody, that might be considered "fighting words" and could result in a disorderly conduct charge. But if I say **** Obama, hell, I'll make a bunch of new friends. So, where is the line I wonder...
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The line is where the ranter is a professor and her recipient one of her students.
 
Risky Thicket said:
From what we have seen here is what I believe happened.

The cops were called to respond.

Initially, they were assessing the situation.

Anyone threatened or harmed? No.

Is there more to this than what we've been told or what we see? We don't know yet.

Can the situation escalate? Wait and see.

Is she going to run out of steam? Not yet.

Is she going to go bat-****e crazy if we leave? Don't know, but she isn't calming down. At this point they should have asked her to step inside a building so that they could hear her side of the story out of public view. They didn't.

The adjunct seems to have backed herself into a corner now and cannot save face. Her anger grows. A little more public anger and the police may have enough to arrest her. At this point she seems to be taunting the police.

They arrest her.

In my opinion the police may have had the power to avoid all this if they had peacefully gotten her to remove herself from the situation and go inside a building. The cops didn't do this to my knowledge. The police, it appears, decided to take the power and authority approach to end the situation. Bad move.
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Perhaps so, if you presume that had they asked her to step inside a building to discuss the issue she would have complied. Courts in the US have ruled frequently that pro-life protestors aren't allowed to congregate around pro-choice protests due to the possibility of escalating unrest and perhaps violence. The police in this case likely asked her to move away or protest somewhere else and she likely refused - I don't know.
 
ReformCollege said:
Perhaps you didn't see the part about attendance being half the grade. I could have stopped going to class, but receiving an F wasn't an acceptable alternative. The school is under no obligation to give me my money back or fire the teacher because the school literally doesn't care as long as they get their money. I don't claim to have jurisdiction over anyone's mouth, he can say whatever he wants to. But if he's going to try to shout me (it wasn't ever me, it was other students; I either kept my mouth shut or keenly asked him a question in a way in which he'd make himself look stupid) down, but I will get "disciplinary action" from either him or the school if I return the favor..... that sort of hypocracy I do have a problem with.

You're probably going to say "deal with it, you'll get that from a boss as well" to which I'm going to say.... "yeah but my boss pays me, I'm not paying him."
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So your school had no drop dates? No way to raise concern with the administration? Nowhere to file complaints?

And I am going to say deal with it because you need to learn to deal with it. My PI when I was a post-doc would rant and rave for days if anyone messed up or thought about messing up or looked at messing up the wrong way. Days. And you're in the lab 12 hrs/day at least. Hell I spent near a day in the machine shop making some pieces for our vacuum chamber and she changed her mind halfway through, such that what I made wouldn't work. When she saw it, it was a week of bitching, yelling, confrontation. I didn't go running off crying to someone about it. Deal with it, rise to the challenge and overcome. Running to government....that's the coward's way.
 
Ikari said:
Unless they are actually threatening, then it's not assault. If they're saying "I'm going to ****ing kill you and rape your corpse" OK. But if they're saying "you ignorant little ****, you have no clue what you're ****ing talking about, just spewing **** all over the place without one god damned ounce of ****ing thought, you dumb ass, retarded twat!" then no.
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This could be construed as disorderly conduct or even disturbing the peace.
 
Texmex said:
This could be construed as disorderly conduct or even disturbing the peace.
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That's because they can "construe" anything as that; not because it actually is.
 
ReformCollege said:
Perhaps you didn't see the part about attendance being half the grade. I could have stopped going to class, but receiving an F wasn't an acceptable alternative. The school is under no obligation to give me my money back or fire the teacher because the school literally doesn't care as long as they get their money. I don't claim to have jurisdiction over anyone's mouth, he can say whatever he wants to. But if he's going to try to shout me (it wasn't ever me, it was other students; I either kept my mouth shut or keenly asked him a question in a way in which he'd make himself look stupid) down, but I will get "disciplinary action" from either him or the school if I return the favor..... that sort of hypocracy I do have a problem with.

You're probably going to say "deal with it, you'll get that from a boss as well" to which I'm going to say.... "yeah but my boss pays me, I'm not paying him."
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RC, you are an adult. You are going to college. One of the purposes of college is to challenge you, challenge your beliefs, teach you to think independently and formulate your responses based on what you believe to be correct. If you are getting a spoon fed education, if your beliefs are not seriously challenged, if your classes at times don't involve heated discussions, if you aren't motivated toward vehement disagreement with some of your professors from time to time, you aren't getting your money's worth.

If the adjunct in the OP is causing her students to think, if she is challenging their beliefs, if her rant lights a fire in their bellies, then she is doing a hell of a good job. She doesn't have to be right or wrong. That hardly matters. Having the government step in is a horrible and tragic lesson, especially for the little Nazi who called the cops.
 
Risky Thicket said:
RC, you are an adult. You are going to college. One of the purposes of college is to challenge you, challenge your beliefs, teach you to think independently and formulate your responses based on what you believe to be correct. If you are getting a spoon fed education, if your beliefs are not seriously challenged, if your classes at times don't involve heated discussions, if you aren't motivated toward vehement disagreement with some of your professors from time to time, you aren't getting your money's worth.

If the adjunct in the OP is causing her students to think, if she is challenging their beliefs, if her rant lights a fire in their bellies, then she is doing a hell of a good job. She doesn't have to be right or wrong. That hardly matters. Having the government step in is a horrible and tragic lesson, especially for the little Nazi who called the cops.
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Not only that, there are ways to raise and file official complaint, you can drop the class, you can do all sorts of things. Some people just want someone else to do it for them these days. I don't know, I think they should be dropped into the cold and uncaring world of science or math grad school; then come back. See what these folk say then.
 
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