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Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

marywollstonecraft said:
Over the years I have known approximately 12 gay couples who have chosen to have children together, and none of them have ever said anything like this.

have you met some who have?

if so, I would put them in the same category as beauty pageant moms ..... having children as a vehicle to live out their own unfulfilled dreams ... which is a pretty unhealthy reason to have a child.
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Ive heard lesbians say it a few times. Never gay dudes though. Dirty lesbians. :p
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Ive heard lesbians say it a few times. Never gay dudes though. Dirty lesbians. :p
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Could they have been joking? And would you object to a heterosexual couple saying "we're going to raise nice little heterosexual kids together"?
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Ive heard lesbians say it a few times. Never gay dudes though. Dirty lesbians. :p
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All of the gay couples I know who have chosen to have kids together are lesbians ... can't imagine any of them saying such a thing. I could imagine a few very immature gays I have known (both male and female, and IMHO possibly people who are trendily gay rather than genuinely so) saying such things ... but most of these can't sustain a relationship, and are not ready to be parents of any sort ... gay or straight.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
Could they have been joking? And would you object to a heterosexual couple saying "we're going to raise nice little heterosexual kids together"?
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Perhaps they were. Just struck me as disgusting that one would purposefully look to take care of a kid they arent really blood related to and try to herd them into being into the same type of sex they are into. If a man walked into an adoption center and said "I am a straight male. I want to adopt and raise a straight daughter who likes males" that would be incredibly awkward and weird :p The parents/kids sexuality should never once come up or be a part of the adoption process basically.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Perhaps they were. Just struck me as disgusting that one would purposefully look to take care of a kid they arent really blood related to and try to herd them into being into the same type of sex they are into. If a man walked into an adoption center and said "I am a straight male. I want to adopt and raise a straight daughter who likes males" that would be incredibly awkward and weird :p The parents/kids sexuality should never once come up or be a part of the adoption process basically.
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I would agree that the parents sexuality AND that influence on their kids should never come up or be part of the adoption process.
 
Lord of Planar said:
LOL...

As long as your mind isn't aready made up.
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OK ... I wonder about the title of the thread. If Justice Scalia is worthy of his position, he wouldn't just be wondering about it, he would be looking at the research, and specifically - properly conducted research.

Once he had done that, he would be in a position to weigh up whether, all things considered, same sex parents were in fact more harmful to children than any other subset of parents, and he probably wouldn't be wondering about it any more.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
OK ... I wonder about the title of the thread. If Justice Scalia is worthy of his position, he wouldn't just be wondering about it, he would be looking at the research, and specifically - properly conducted research.

Once he had done that, he would be in a position to weigh up whether, all things considered, same sex parents were in fact more harmful to children than any other subset of parents, and he probably wouldn't be wondering about it any more.
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He might miss something. That's why we have the adversarial process. Both sides, presenting the best case they can find for their side. His saying "I wonder" indicates he hasn't yet made up his mind. If he said anything saying he already believed one way or another, before the case is presented, he would be asked to remove himself.
 
Talking about wondering...

How would a same sex couple go about educating their children about sex??

When the said child had only witnessed homosexuality??
 
wolfie said:
Talking about wondering...

How would a same sex couple go about educating their children about sex??

When the said child had only witnessed homosexuality??
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interesting question.....

Do you have kids?


If so, do you have heterosexual sex in front of them?

I never did in front of mine, and I thought that was normal. the gay parents I have known also seem to think that it is normal not to have sex in front of your children.

Are you saying it isn't?

If so ... that doesn't explain how I ever became a grandmother....
 
marywollstonecraft said:
interesting question.....

Do you have kids?


If so, do you have heterosexual sex in front of them?

I never did in front of mine, and I thought that was normal. the gay parents I have known also seem to think that it is normal not to have sex in front of your children.

Are you saying it isn't?

If so ... that doesn't explain how I ever became a grandmother....
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Err no..I have never had sex in front of my children..or any child..

But children will ask questions..like why don't I have a man and a woman as my parents??

Maybe I worded my post wrongly..

If a child has 2 male parents..or 2 female parents..

Are these people going to extoll the benefits of heterosexual sex..

Or other??
 
wolfie said:
Err no..I have never had sex in front of my children..or any child..

But children will ask questions..like why don't I have a man and a woman as my parents??

Maybe I worded my post wrongly..

If a child has 2 male parents..or 2 female parents..

Are these people going to extoll the benefits of heterosexual sex..

Or other??
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Don't know. I don't know that telling the kids about the birds and the bees is really about extolling the benefits of heterosexual sex ... it is about providing factual information. Along with that is of course a discussion about the non sexual aspects of relationships, and how important it is to care deeply (the word love comes to mind) about someone you want to be close to.

love, respect and caring would apply regardless of whether it is a gay or straight relationship.

most parents (myself included) don't outline the karma sutra when talking to their kids about sex, but kids still seem to figure out that sex involves a lot more than the missionary position.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
Don't know. I don't know that telling the kids about the birds and the bees is really about extolling the benefits of heterosexual sex ... it is about providing factual information. Along with that is of course a discussion about the non sexual aspects of relationships, and how important it is to care deeply (the word love comes to mind) about someone you want to be close to.

love, respect and caring would apply regardless of whether it is a gay or straight relationship.

most parents (myself included) don't outline the karma sutra when talking to their kids about sex, but kids still seem to figure out that sex involves a lot more than the missionary position.
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So..you think a child who has been bought up..by a male gay couple..will not have e.g. mixed with their gay friends..

Watched loving exchanges between them...( and no Mws..not talking about sex here!)

Will not be affected by their homosexuality??
 
wolfie said:
So..you think a child who has been bought up..by a male gay couple..will not have e.g. mixed with their gay friends..

Watched loving exchanges between them...( and no Mws..not talking about sex here!)

Will not be affected by their homosexuality??
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It may do .... but they will see a lot more displays of heterosexual couples everywhere ... so I don't think it is that relevant.
 
marywollstonecraft said:
It may do .... but they will see a lot more displays of heterosexual couples everywhere ... so I don't think it is that relevant.
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I think it is.must be like being bought up in a heterosexual marriage but having gay feelings..

Do you not think at some point these children will ask ''where is my mother?''

Good profile on Paris Jackson today..she don't have a lot to do with her brothers..her father was nuts and accused of being a paedophile..Her mother..who the hell knows..

Children will search out their roots eventually..and that consists of one man and one woman..
 
wolfie said:
So..you think a child who has been bought up..by a male gay couple..will not have e.g. mixed with their gay friends..

Watched loving exchanges between them...( and no Mws..not talking about sex here!)

Will not be affected by their homosexuality??
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please tell us, was your sexuality determined by seeing your parents or your parents friends kiss or hold hands? Or was it something more biological in your body that determined your sexuality?

Maybe I'm incorrect but it seems like you are thinking that homosexual parents will raise homosexual kids. It's funny but every gay person I know and have read about had straight parents.
 
TheNextEra said:
please tell us, was your sexuality determined by seeing your parents or your parents friends kiss or hold hands? Or was it something more biological in your body that determined your sexuality?

Maybe I'm incorrect but it seems like you are thinking that homosexual parents will raise homosexual kids. It's funny but every gay person I know and have read about had straight parents.
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No..my sexuality was determined by me and my attraction towards men..(not women..)

I was bought up in a heterosexual household..up until 18..I..thought ''gay'' meant happy..rainbows were a beautiful natural phenomenon to be enjoyed by all..

Do you really think that a gay couple will encourage heterosexual behaviour in their adopted children??
 
wolfie said:
No..my sexuality was determined by me and my attraction towards men..(not women..)

I was bought up in a heterosexual household..up until 18..I..thought ''gay'' meant happy..rainbows were a beautiful natural phenomenon to be enjoyed by all..

Do you really think that a gay couple will encourage heterosexual behaviour in their adopted children??
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Most couples don't encourage sexual behavior of any sort in their children, adopted or not. Sexual behavior just comes naturally to most of us, with our parents actively discouraging it, at least until they think the time is right.

"Now, you just go out there and kiss your girlfriend (boyfriend) good night, and be sure to put your hand under his (her) shirt and then just do what comes naturally."

Sure, sure, that happens all the time.
 
TheNextEra said:
please tell us, was your sexuality determined by seeing your parents or your parents friends kiss or hold hands? Or was it something more biological in your body that determined your sexuality?

Maybe I'm incorrect but it seems like you are thinking that homosexual parents will raise homosexual kids. It's funny but every gay person I know and have read about had straight parents.
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She also likes to spin tales of imaginary gay "friends" of hers who lurk about in men's rooms just waiting to ambush some poor, defenseless straight men, so you should take anything she says with a grain of salt.

What so many of the unintelligent homophobes here never seem to consider is how much their neanderthalish views SUPRESS homsexuality. They are so fearful of gay parents somehow encouraging it that they don't face the truth of the matter in terms of their discouraging it.
 
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wolfie said:
Do you really think that a gay couple will encourage heterosexual behaviour in their adopted children??
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Yes, because I have seen it. I know two gay couples that have raised children. All of their children are heterosexual, married, and have children of their own. Do you think gay couples only think to raise gay children?
 
marywollstonecraft said:
It may do .... but they will see a lot more displays of heterosexual couples everywhere ... so I don't think it is that relevant.
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Come on, and get with the program, already, Mary. If a gay couple walks down the street hand in hand, that is an icky-poo disgusting act of shoving their perverted lifestyle in our face. If a randy straight couple are sticking their tongues down each other's throat and dry humping each other in public, that is just perfectly normal.

I will expect you to get it right next time.
 
Gardener said:
She also likes to spin tales of imaginary gay "friends" of hers who lurk about in men's rooms just waiting to ambush some poor, defenseless straight men, so you should take anything she says with a grain of thought.

What so many of the unintelligent homophobes here never seem to consider is how much their neanderthalish views SUPRESS homsexuality. They are so fearful of gay parents somehow encouraging it that they don't face the truth of the matter in terms of their discouraging it.
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Well I haven't seen these comments and I'm only commenting on what I have seen from her and so far I'm unimpressed as far as her knowledge of gays.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, because I have seen it. I know two gay couples that have raised children. All of their children are heterosexual, married, and have children of their own. Do you think gay couples only think to raise gay children?
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I don't actually believe you..;)
 
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