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Scalia Wonders If Same-Sex Parents ‘Harmful’ To Children

I tried that.
No answer.

That's not my problem, sorry.

It's like they're not true-believers ... not willing to accept all the implications of their position ... like they have unspoken motivations.
So I figured I'd ask you what you thought since you're of the same mind about SSM ... at least up to a point.
Maybe you think you'd be selling them out if you were honest.

What mind is that? I think everyone deserves equal rights. You keep acting like that's a bad thing.
 
Believing that homosexual sex is a sin is not racist

Gay marriage is not a Civil Right

Try reading what I said again, I didn't claim thinking homosexuality is a sin is being racist.

I made the point saying that you wouldn't be arrested for thinking homosexuality is a sin.

As to your last statement of gay marriage not being a civil right, that is your opinion and an opinion that the SCOTUS might have ruled against you on. We will find out in the next couple of months.
 
yes poor parenting IS a problem. If having gay parents contributes to that, it is due to social attitudes, not having gay parents.

Do you have any evidence that it contributes to sexual identity confusion
?

Before I can answer that, what would you consider evidence?
 
I think he must be one of these people who think behind closed doors all gay people do is have sex, and that is ALL they do.

When they aren't creating some absolutely fabulous window treatments, that is.

Or rolling up some cigarettes in their sleeve and riding a Harley depending on gender.
 
Before I can answer that, what would you consider evidence?

Taking a stab at this, but perhaps something that exists outside your rather active and fearful imagination?
 
If the data isn't there, then how can you justify concluding that there is a problem?

That's kinda the point. Yet it didn't appear to bother the SSM proponents so I was trying to work with them on their level.

But anyway ... the data is there ... how about if I tell you that 61% of children of lesbian mothers & 71% of children of gay fathers reported themselves to be "entirely heterosexual" compared to 90% of children from traditional parents.
So is it nature or nurture?
 
Taking a stab at this, but perhaps something that exists outside your rather active and fearful imagination?

61% of children of lesbian mothers & 71% of children of gay fathers reported themselves to be "entirely heterosexual" compared to 90% of children from traditional parents.
So is it nature or nurture?
Is it evidence?
 
Evening to you, mam. I am getting a garden ready. I have another much larger I haven't even started yet. New ground. Screw those light bulbs. I bought all the incandescents I could a while back, and I'm ditching the others. I'm putting LED's everywhere else I reasonably can. The older I get, the more fussy I am about light, among other things.

The Home Depot here ran out of the 100 watt incandescent bulbs every time they got a new shipment! I haven't found one person who likes the curly-que type! How did that bulb ever get foisted on the public? :thumbdown:

I have my seeds started for the garden I plan to have this Summer, so as soon as it decides to stop snowing here, I'll be busy outdoors planting, too! Looking forward to it.....
 
That's kinda the point. Yet it didn't appear to bother the SSM proponents so I was trying to work with them on their level.

But anyway ... the data is there ... how about if I tell you that 61% of children of lesbian mothers & 71% of children of gay fathers reported themselves to be "entirely heterosexual" compared to 90% of children from traditional parents.
So is it nature or nurture?

Show us where you got the stats. You can "say" all you want, but without taking a look at "where" you are getting your stats from, it's all just hot air. AND I have a funny feeling if you are brave enough to show us your "source", it will be non-credible and more pulpit than science.

But hey, if you're brave enough, show us the "evidence" you have to support your claim.
 
Show us where you got the stats. You can "say" all you want, but without taking a look at "where" you are getting your stats from, it's all just hot air. AND I have a funny feeling if you are brave enough to show us your "source", it will be non-credible and more pulpit than science.

But hey, if you're brave enough, show us the "evidence" you have to support your claim.

This is laughably predictable.
Does the source really matter to you at all?
Are you prepared to accept any data that doesn't conform to the current cause celebre?
 
This is laughably predictable.
Does the source really matter to you at all?
Are you prepared to accept any data that doesn't conform to the current cause celebre?

Where did you get the data from?
 
The Home Depot here ran out of the 100 watt incandescent bulbs every time they got a new shipment!
I haven't found one person who likes the curly-que type!
How did that bulb ever get foisted on the public? :thumbdown:

I have my seeds started for the garden I plan to have this Summer, so as soon as it decides to stop snowing here, I'll be busy outdoors planting, too! Looking forward to it.....


Aren't they absurdly expensive too?
Warmer out today.
Oh baby.
 
This is laughably predictable.
Does the source really matter to you at all?
Are you prepared to accept any data that doesn't conform to the current cause celebre?

Yes, actually it does matter what the source is and no, I don't accept any data just because it is on the internet. Do you understand what analysis is?

So, you brave enough to show us the source with a link so we can all have a good laugh?
 
Where did you get the data from?

I ask you the same question I asked the gentleman in #910 ... does it really matter to ya?
Would it affect your position?
Would it be something that makes you go hmmmmmm?
 
Yes, actually it does matter what the source is and no, I don't accept any data just because it is on the internet. Do you understand what analysis is?

So, you brave enough to show us the source with a link so we can all have a good laugh?

So your mind is made up.
 
I ask you the same question I asked the gentleman in #910 ... does it really matter to ya?
Would it affect your position?
Would it be something that makes you go hmmmmmm?

Yay more cat and mouse from ya.
 
Yes, actually it does matter what the source is and no, I don't accept any data just because it is on the internet. Do you understand what analysis is?

So, you brave enough to show us the source with a link so we can all have a good laugh?

and, of course, even if the data WERE true, some sort of methodology would have to be applied to straight parents by way of their suppressing the full range of sexual oriebntation in their children.
 
that's not necessarily transferable to other enterprises,.

or people.

Many are quite steadfast in their resistance to all attempts thereof.
 
That's kinda the point. Yet it didn't appear to bother the SSM proponents so I was trying to work with them on their level.

But anyway ... the data is there ... how about if I tell you that 61% of children of lesbian mothers & 71% of children of gay fathers reported themselves to be "entirely heterosexual" compared to 90% of children from traditional parents.
So is it nature or nurture?

You'd need to cite that data, obviously. Nothing I've seen would suggest that children of gay parents are more or less likely to be gay themselves. Then you'd need to explain the choice of this very exacting quote "entirely heterosexual." It could be indicative of nothing more than kinder terminology from the children of same sex couples, who take the position that any orientation is possible, regardless of what they actually do. Meanwhile, children of heterosexual couples may be less open to the idea, and use more definitive language. And, of course, nothing actually suggests that being open to the idea has any bearing on a person's actual orientation. But even if your claim were true, then you'd need to show some reason why being homosexual is bad.

Does the source really matter to you at all?

Are you ****ing kidding? Of course the source matters. We will not just accept what you have said. If this information is there, we want to read it and examine it ourselves to determine its authenticity. For all we know, it could be made up. It could have used a biased sample, or too small a sample size. It could have used misleading language. It could be based on other research that has already been disproved. YES! You must show the source or else you're probably just making it up. If it's compelling, of course we'll listen to it. That's what scientifically minded people do. We go where the evidence takes us.

I'll show some sources. Take a look.

Children Raised by Lesbians Do Just Fine, Studies Show | LiveScience
Children raised by gay couples show good progress through school, study finds
 
and, of course, even if the data WERE true, some sort of methodology would have to be applied to straight parents by way of their suppressing the full range of sexual oriebntation in their children.

Since Bubba appears to be afraid to link his source, I believe this is it here:

Gay Parents Raising Children: The Mark Regnerus Study

I'll take a look at it later on today, however, I find the source incredibily dubious to say the least off the bat.
 
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