Reid guts Senate gun control bill

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[FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif]I agree if assault weapon ban wont pass then at least put something that will pass on the floor. I hope the background checks pass. Hopefully they get some [/FONT][FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif]substantial[/FONT][FONT=arial, tahoma, sans-serif] to pass. [/FONT]

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I was hoping all the dem senators up for election in 2014 in purple states would have had to vote on the gun ban so we could get the same results we got in 1994. Dingy Hairy is worried more about keeping his SML position rather than kissing Obama and Biden's collective asses

Bronson said:

You shamelessly stand on the corpses of children to pander propaganda

Disgusting

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His posts demonstrate an almost pathological hatred of white conservative Christians and exhibit a belief that banning guns will mostly screw over such people. Crime control has absolutely no role in what motivates the militant gun haters who whine about the NRA and lie about guns.

jamesrage said:

A compromise implies both sides are giving up something in order to get something in return. The only side giving up stuff is the pro-2nd amendment side.The anti-2nd amendment side has not given up anything.

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Your right the people that want to have more gun control should just wait for the next group of school children executed in their classrooms and then take all the guns.

The assault ban will do nothing to protect us. But making sure stupid assholes and crazy people can't get them will. You don't fit into either of those groups do you? If not, then your rights haven't been taken, right?

TheDemSocialist said:

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I agree if assault weapon ban wont pass then at least put something that will pass on the floor. I hope the background checks pass. Hopefully they get some substantial to pass.

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This isn't about the debate over gun control. This is politics at it's worst. What Reid is doing is attempting to box Republicans in a corner. Yes, he waters down the gun control bill. Now, if the Republicans kill it, they still look bad in the eyes of the Moderates they are going to need in the future, as Democrats will hammer them for killing background checks, which Americans overwhelmingly support. If Republicans pass it, they piss off their base. This was Machiavelli at his finest.

But, after it's all said and done, I think the bill, in it's present state, works for me. People get to keep the weapons they choose to have, and there will be no loopholes in background checks. But, again, this was not about the worthiness of the bill. This was sliminess on Reid's part, and nothing more.

danarhea said:

This isn't about the debate over gun control. This is politics at it's worst. What Reid is doing is attempting to box Republicans in a corner. Yes, he waters down the gun control bill. Now, if the Republicans kill it, they still look bad in the eyes of the Moderates they are going to need in the future, as Democrats will hammer them for killing background checks, which Americans overwhelmingly support. If Republicans pass it, they piss off their base. This was Machiavelli at his finest.

But, after it's all said and done, I think the bill, in it's present state, works for me. People get to keep the weapons they choose to have, and there will be no loopholes in background checks. But, again, this was not about the worthiness of the bill. This was sliminess on Reid's part, and nothing more.

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I would like you to tell me where you get that dope. It is obviously something that will make me not even know where I am.

How is making the bill rational and able to be passed, to fix an obvious problem, slimy. The fact that there are some Republicans with their heads up their ass about gun control does not make it slimy. It is good politics in a manner we seldom, actually never, see anymore.

Slateriesling said:

Your right the people that want to have more gun control should just wait for the next group of school children executed in their classrooms and then take all the guns.

The assault ban will do nothing to protect us. But making sure stupid assholes and crazy people can't get them will. You don't fit into either of those groups do you? If not, then your rights haven't been taken, right?

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tell me what laws being proposed take those guns from criminals and crazies but don't interfere on my rights

IT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR CRIMINALS AND THOSE ADJUDICATED MENTALLY ILL TO OWN ANY FIREARM

danarhea said:

This isn't about the debate over gun control. This is politics at it's worst. What Reid is doing is attempting to box Republicans in a corner. Yes, he waters down the gun control bill. Now, if the Republicans kill it, they still look bad in the eyes of the Moderates they are going to need in the future, as Democrats will hammer them for killing background checks, which Americans overwhelmingly support. If Republicans pass it, they piss off their base. This was Machiavelli at his finest.

But, after it's all said and done, I think the bill, in it's present state, works for me. People get to keep the weapons they choose to have, and there will be no loopholes in background checks. But, again, this was not about the worthiness of the bill. This was sliminess on Reid's part, and nothing more.

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If Reid had the demorat votes, the AWB/MCL nonsense would have been included. What Reid is doing is protecting his most vulnerable demorats, from red states/districts, while hoping to cause some republicants a bit of trouble in their primaries if they stop the most popular parts of the latest gun control charade and added school security aid to the states. What Obama and Reid have planned is to try to regain demorat control of congress in the 2014 elections, giving them a free reign for Obama's last massive federal gov't expansion plans. Plan B is to simply keep the federal social program spending from being cut and painting the republicants as the "party of no" and "friends of the rich".

Slateriesling said:

Your right the people that want to have more gun control should just wait for the next group of school children executed in their classrooms and then take all the guns.

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They will try to do that anyways regardless of what demands we cave to. Their goal is not about safety or saving little kids.Its about severely restricting or banning firearms.Every inch we give them is a inch closer to their goal.They will use every mass shooting involving white victims to push for more bans and restrictions.today its so called assault weapons, tomorrow its all semi-automatic weapons and revolvers, later its all detachable magazine fed weapons and eventually any weapon that has fixed magazines.

The assault ban will do nothing to protect us.

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I agree.Assault weapons are merely civilian firearms. They are no more or less dangerous than firearms not deemed to be assault weapons.

But making sure stupid assholes and crazy people can't get them will.

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Didn't the last crazy assholes passed a background check or stole their weapons?

You don't fit into either of those groups do you? If not, then your rights haven't been taken, right?

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The right to keep and bear arms is a right not a privilege. Not only is it a right but its a right that bans any infringements.

jamesrage said:

They will try to do that anyways regardless of what demands we cave to. Their goal is not about safety or saving little kids.Its about severely restricting or banning firearms.Every inch we give them is a inch closer to their goal.



I agree.Assault weapons are merely civilian firearms. They are no more or less dangerous than firearms not deemed to be assault weapons.



Didn't the last crazy assholes passed a background check or stole their weapons?



The right to keep and bear arms is a right not a privilege. Not only is it a right but its a right that bans any infringements.

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If you can't come up with a plan that keeps guns out of the hands of the previously mentioned types of people then the only result will be all guns banned. I assume you are as pissed off as I about the innocent being slaughtered by all these mentally unfit, gun wielding problems...aren't you?

Slateriesling said:

If you can't come up with a plan that keeps guns out of the hands of the previously mentioned types of people then the only result will be all guns banned. I assume you are as pissed off as I about the innocent being slaughtered by all these mentally unfit, gun wielding problems...aren't you?

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what exactly is your point? you seem to make the moronic argument that we honest and law abiding gun owners should be willing to cede some of our rights in the futile effort to keep guns out of the hands of crazies so people like you won't demand that all our rights be raped?

I think ultimately the scenario is going to be-come and take them and see what happens. and if that happens, those who have pushed for draconian gun control and the related persecution ought to realize they won't be seen merely as bystanders

I am getting a headache. I will discontinue banging my head on this wall. Gnight.

Slateriesling said:

I am getting a headache. I will discontinue banging my head on this wall. Gnight.

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facts tend to be painful to those whose posts are based on emotion

Slateriesling said:

If you can't come up with a plan that keeps guns out of the hands of the previously mentioned types of people then the only result will be all guns banned.

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It doesn't matter what demands we cave into because they will keep demanding more bans. So the idea we have to come up with something to prevent criminals from getting their hands on firearms is idiotic. Criminals do not obey laws nor do all criminals have a record.

Look at your state and my state for example. In my state I can buy a brand new AR15 or any other brand new firearm deemed to be an assault weapon.That firearm can have a pistol grip,telescoping or folding stock and a bayonet mount all at once. I can have a brand new 20-30 round standard capacity magazines and even 100 round high capacity drums for those firearms. I do not need a license or permit to buy a firearm. I do not need to submit my finger prints to buy a weapon or ammo. I do not need to register my firearm. The only time I have to wait is if the weapon I want is out of stock and the gun shop has to order it. I do not need a tool to change magazines on that weapon.I can even buy as much ammo as a I want assuming its in stock. Can you do any of those things in California? **** no you can't do that in California. California is an example of the pro-2nd amendment side giving into demands of anti-2nd amendment trash.Your state has turn gun ownership into a state granted privilege and they are still trying to come up with more ways to **** on the 2nd amendment.

I assume you are as pissed off as I about the innocent being slaughtered by all these mentally unfit, gun wielding problems...aren't you?

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A death caused by gun doesn't make that death any more or less tragic than a death caused by a car,knife or some other cause.

TurtleDude said:

what exactly is your point? you seem to make the moronic argument that we honest and law abiding gun owners should be willing to cede some of our rights in the futile effort to keep guns out of the hands of crazies so people like you won't demand that all our rights be raped?

I think ultimately the scenario is going to be-come and take them and see what happens. and if that happens, those who have pushed for draconian gun control and the related persecution ought to realize they won't be seen merely as bystanders

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Fine, my point is I have guns, I hunt with guns. I do not want my guns taken away from me due to the actions of certain types of people that have made guns a target for regulation. There are no facts in this issue. It is only emotion. You have an emotion, if they pass a law then they will eventually take them all. This is called paranoia. It is a good indication that your thought processes are not working correctly. I am now of the opinion that you are a good candidate for having your rights taken away. If you cannot figure out what my point was, you are not smart enough to have a gun. Your ability to analyze a situation is flawed and I don't trust you with a deadly weapon.

A simple question, is the killing of innocents the price we will pay for absolute rights to own guns? Is there nothing to be done about it?

You want an emotion. Your attitude and the attitudes of many make me say something I am not proud of. I hope the next time some asshole is killing children in a school it is only the children of anti-gun control people. That would be poetic justice.

There, now I am done.

Slateriesling said:

Fine, my point is I have guns, I hunt with guns. I do not want my guns taken away from me due to the actions of certain types of people that have made guns a target for regulation. There are no facts in this issue. It is only emotion. You have an emotion, if they pass a law then they will eventually take them all. This is called paranoia. It is a good indication that your thought processes are not working correctly. I am now of the opinion that you are a good candidate for having your rights taken away. If you cannot figure out what my point was, you are not smart enough to have a gun. Your ability to analyze a situation is flawed and I don't trust you with a deadly weapon.

A simple question, is the killing of innocents the price we will pay for absolute rights to own guns? Is there nothing to be done about it?

You want an emotion. Your attitude and the attitudes of many make me say something I am not proud of. I hope the next time some asshole is killing children in a school it is only the children of anti-gun control people. That would be poetic justice.

There, now I am done.

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moronic psychobabble the anti gun movement has banked on an incremental approach those who deny it are either part of the movement or are useful fools.

I don't kill innocents and I will be damned if I should give up my rights because others do.

and you are a gun hater when you spew that crap that children of people like me ought to die. its people like you who create gun free zones. you are one of those hysterics who when chased by wolves is too cowardly to kill the wolf-rather you would throw one of your children to them hoping the wolves won't bite you

TurtleDude said:

tell me what laws being proposed take those guns from criminals and crazies but don't interfere on my rights

IT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL FOR CRIMINALS AND THOSE ADJUDICATED MENTALLY ILL TO OWN ANY FIREARM

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Does having to get certain licences to own certain firearms interfere with your rights?

TheDemSocialist said:

Does having to get certain licences to own certain firearms interfere with your rights?

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does having to get a license to vote or show an ID interfere with your rights

does being required to have a license to make a speech or write a book or attend a church interfere with your rights?

Slateriesling said:

Fine, my point is I have guns, I hunt with guns. I do not want my guns taken away from me due to the actions of certain types of people that have made guns a target for regulation.

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Then you write,call,and or meet face to face with your elected officials and stand up against elected officials who want to ban your guns and you get others to join your cause.You don't go please Mr. Bully sir please take my lunch and don't beat me up.

There are no facts in this issue. It is only emotion. You have an emotion, if they pass a law then they will eventually take them all. This is called paranoia. It is a good indication that your thought processes are not working correctly. I am now of the opinion that you are a good candidate for having your rights taken away. If you cannot figure out what my point was, you are not smart enough to have a gun. Your ability to analyze a situation is flawed and I don't trust you with a deadly weapon.

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Aren't you the one trying to argue that we should cave to the anti-2nd amendment side in hope that they don't take any more guns?

A simple question, is the killing of innocents the price we will pay for absolute rights to own guns?

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Is the killing of innocents the price we pay to own a car,knives, baseball bats or any other thing that has killed more people than guns have?

Is there nothing to be done about it?

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Criminals do not obey laws,so any restriction you impose effect only the law abiding.So they can steal a firearm or buy one on the black market. There is also the fact that not all criminals have a record and therefore can pass a background check.

You want an emotion. Your attitude and the attitudes of many make me say something I am not proud of. I hope the next time some asshole is killing children in a school it is only the children of anti-gun control people. That would be poetic justice.

There, now I am done.

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Spoken like a true anti-2nd amendment loon.

TurtleDude said:

does having to get a license to vote or show an ID interfere with your rights

does being required to have a license to make a speech or write a book or attend a church interfere with your rights?

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Simple yes or no answer TD will do...

ttwtt78640 said:

If Reid had the demorat votes, the AWB/MCL nonsense would have been included. What Reid is doing is protecting his most vulnerable demorats, from red states/districts, while hoping to cause some republicants a bit of trouble in their primaries if they stop the most popular parts of the latest gun control charade and added school security aid to the states. What Obama and Reid have planned is to try to regain demorat control of congress in the 2014 elections, giving them a free reign for Obama's last massive federal gov't expansion plans. Plan B is to simply keep the federal social program spending from being cut and painting the republicants as the "party of no" and "friends of the rich".

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Republicans are the "party of no" and "friends of rich." Democrats could be the worst thing on the planet and that would still be true.

TheDemSocialist said:

Simple yes or no answer TD will do...

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Simple answer, then. If those "certain firearms" are basic infantry and paramilitary weapons like selective-fire battle rifles, fully automatic machine pistols, or handguns then yes, requiring a license to own and carry them is an infringement of the Constitutional right-- and the basic human right-- to keep and bear arms. Requiring a license to own heavier ordinance, such as machine guns, grenades, and mortars, does not violate the right to keep and bear arms.

jamesrage said:

Spoken like a true anti-2nd amendment loon.

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Got emotional and tried to use it as a way of making a point about your perspective having no concern for the innocent. It was a deplorable attempt.

I apologize for the bad comment. I don't want any innocent people killed and don't care what they or their parents political opinions are. I do wish I had not written that. I would erase it but it has been commented on and I should accept that I said it and regret it.

There is a Basement conversation started on it and will be back in tomorrow probably to take my thumpings.

TurtleDude said:

His posts demonstrate an almost pathological hatred of white conservative Christians and exhibit a belief that banning guns will mostly screw over such people. Crime control has absolutely no role in what motivates the militant gun haters who whine about the NRA and lie about guns.

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It's idiotic to think that taking guns away from law abiding citizens will stop crime

Lanza planned these murders for years. Sandy Hook was inspired by video game violence. People need to read the new information that is coming out about Lanza. When he tried to buy guns, he was denied. The existing gun laws on the books worked. As a country we need to take a stand against these left wing tyrants who would exploit the murder of children to attack the Constitution and assault the Bill of Rights. Enough is enough. They are blatantly targeting the Constitution now. We can no longer sit idly by, accept their wacky premises, and have a rational discussion with these people. They are too far gone. They've been brainwashed. They must be opposed politically and defeated.

Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting: Adam Lanza Planned Rampage for 'Years' with Murder Spreadsheet

Stebbins said police now believe Lanza thought of the mass shooting as an opportunity to win video game-like glory by racking up the highest amount of kills. They think he chose the elementary school because it would be a location with the least amount of resistance, and provide the easiest way to score "points."

"They don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet," the source continued. "This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list."

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So what are we going to do now? Ban high scores? Spreadsheets? Video games? FPS? I'm pissed off it that stupid legislation even got as far as it did, but it shows how emotionally dumbed down the infection of liberalism has made this country. When I left HS I was glad to get the hell out of there. Now I'm forced to live it every damn day. You can't escape it. The trash entertainment shows glorifying awful people in the entertainment industry. The narcissistic celebrity worship. The Obama cult worship is everywhere. It's Orwellian.

Why should I allow a Marxist who is pals with Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright take away my guns and shred The Constitution? What gives the Left the right to piss all over the greatest document ever conceived by man? Obama took an oath to defend the Constitution. Not attack it.

The whole bill should be shelved.

What Reid did was almost a foregone conclusion. But now it won’t be dragging down the remainder of the gun restrictions. It is very possible background checks and registration may increase and that is just a step to ultimate confiscation.

The assault ban was a stalking horse from the get go for all but Dear Diane. It’s like the budget item you never really needed but could give up to look good. The rest of the mess looks so much more benign by comparison.

Reminds me of an magician. Watch the birdie in this hand while I pick your pocket with the other.

I’m more worried now than before.

I'm still nervous about what might be in the bill. It could be anything. It would not surprise me in the least of a bunch of "never going to pass" legislation was included SPECIFICALLY so they could get rid of it, and then stealth-pass something else like a rider for the ACA or NDAA or a tax hike or something. I mean, that's how the ACA ever made it back to the House in the first place - a bill about something completely different that was gutted, had new provisions inserted, and then sent back down.