Dick Cheney, Ahmed Chalabi Contemplated Value Of Iraqi Oil To U.S., David Frum Write

[TheDemSocialist]

Much of the world has long assumed that Dick Cheney longed for war in Iraq in order to gain reliable control of the nation's oil resources. But it's not often that evidence has emerged of Cheney himself talking in that vein. A new reflection by Bush speechwriter David Frum in Newsweek does just that:

I was less impressed by Chalabi than were some others in the Bush administration. However, since one of those “others” was Vice President Cheney, it didn’t matter what I thought. In 2002, Chalabi joined the annual summer retreat of the American Enterprise Institute near Vail, Colorado. He and Cheney spent long hours together, contemplating the possibilities of a Western-oriented Iraq: an additional source of oil, an alternative to U.S. dependency on an unstable-looking Saudi Arabia.​

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Hmm Cheney mostly worried about the oil in Iraq... You wouldnt say :roll:
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[hfd]

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And all of that means?

 

[Fiddytree]

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Hmm Cheney mostly worried about the oil in Iraq... You wouldnt say :roll:
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He wasn't so concerned about democracy as Wolfowitz was. Personally, I think Cheney's interest would have been better to aim toward, even though it has yet to materialize in the slightest. That way, the United States could have at least profited from the war, unlike it is now. War for defense of allies from WMD (which as we know was not so dangerous) and securing oil is better than chasing the phantom of democracy in a region that has to create those institutions itself.

 

[DaveFagan]

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Wowser! Who'd a thunk it? The Iraq War could have been about OIL? That would mean Big Energy might have been the money behind the push for war. No way. That would be un-American. Un-democratic. Our MEDIA isn't for sale, but it does hire a lot of CIA assetts. We wanted their sand, scorpions, and Husseins, maybe? What about all those dead people we left laying about in Iraq? Deformed? Birth defects? OILman. What a coincidence. These facts are ten years late, but it's OK, the believers are not going to change their minds. That reflects truly good work by the Mass Media, perhaps?

 

[Manc Skipper]

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Here's an interesting read...

" The lies of two Iraqi spies were central to the claim - at the heart of the UK and US decision to go to war in Iraq - that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But even before the fighting started, intelligence from highly-placed sources was available suggesting he did not, Panorama has learned... "

BBC News - Iraq: The spies who fooled the world

 

[sawyerloggingon]

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The line libs use is we wanted to take over Iraq oil when the truth was we wanted to protect the flow of oil which we rely on, huge difference.

 

[DaveFagan]

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The line libs use is we wanted to take over Iraq oil when the truth was we wanted to protect the flow of oil which we rely on, huge difference.

Probably just a coincidence, but that would be Iraqi OIL under Iraqi sand. If Big Energy wants it, it should pay the bills to procure it. You know, just like payin' a pimp, I presumes? They used the taxpayers money and they ain't the taxpayers, we are.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

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Probably just a coincidence, but that would be Iraqi OIL under Iraqi sand. If Big Energy wants it, it should pay the bills to procure it. You know, just like payin' a pimp, I presumes? They used the taxpayers money and they ain't the taxpayers, we are.

If enviros would let us drill here we could walk away from that cess pool.

 

[DaveFagan]

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If enviros would let us drill here we could walk away from that cess pool.

Petro-Energy is the cesspool. Global Warming says to flush that industry and become renewable, quickly. It is not a coincidence that we have not been able to establish a realistic Energy policy that also mitigates Global Warming. It is good business for existing big business not to change the status quo, and you are defending the status quo's wars with that type of thinking. We shouldn't be drilling here either. Renewable is practical and economical and is stalled by an entrenched energy infrastructure that also owns politicians.

 

[Catawba]

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Along with Cheney's Energy Task Force Report in 2001 titled, Strategic Energy Challenges for the 21st Century, where the task force recommends military actions in Iraq to prevent the destablization of oil prices, noting that Saddam would withhold oil as a weapon.

There is more evidence that the war was about oil than there is evidence it was about WMD.

 

[head of joaquin]

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Surprise, surprise. Remember how the rightwing noise machine spewed smoke and gas about how it wasn't about oil.

Of course conservatives don't. The eternal sunshine of the spotless of mind. Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania.

 

[head of joaquin]

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If enviros would let us drill here we could walk away from that cess pool.

We do drill here. I guess you live in bizarroAmerica.

 

[Catawba]

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The line libs use is we wanted to take over Iraq oil when the truth was we wanted to protect the flow of oil which we rely on, huge difference.

By invasion and disposing of the government of a sovereign nation? What right do we have to interfere with how another country manages its property?

 

[ocean515]

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By invasion and disposing of the government of a sovereign nation? What right do we have to interfere with how another country manages its property?

Biggest stick wins. History of the World.

 

[Catawba]

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Biggest stick wins. History of the World.

Is that what you teach your children? Is that how you want your next door neighbors to settle their differences? I take it you do not believe in any property rights you can't defend against personally?

 

[ocean515]

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Is that what you teach your children? Is that how you want your next door neighbors to settle their differences? I take it you do not believe in any property rights you can't defend against personally?

Is that what I teach my children? Well, on that point, in a round about way, yes. Those who are most prepared, from education, to work experience, will likely fair far better than those who don't. Fact.

However, you're attempt to take the point I made elsewhere is rather foolish, don't you think? You asked about a countries rights, and then predictably bored my response down to children and a neighbor versus neighbor thing. A bit too predictable.

So, as the point relates to what gives a country the right? I stated historical fact. Iraq attempted to take control of a commodity the world depends on to survive. Bad decision. Bigger stick decided the outcome of that decision.

 

[Captain America]

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I said it almost a decade ago when all the dittoheads were crying "freedom for Iraq," "Saddam's weapons of mass destruction," "They hate us for our freedom," crap, that if Bush Corp. would just be honest with the American people instead of crafting an illusion of war for rightousness or mushroom cloud paranoia, more people might have stood behind him over time. Now that's it's all out in the open, I bet they wish they had been more forthcoming.

I think Bush had going to war with Iraq on his top priority list long before the Twin Towers. Nine eleven gave him his opening. After that, most American's including myself, was ready to nuke anything wearing a Turban. Worked out very nicely for Bush, Cheney and Haliburton. Not to mention a whole slew of other war industries.

I hate war but I understand financial hardship. I could have weighed the pros and cons. Instead, I had to listen to the daily dittohead BS and get attacked for not believing it.

It's probably a bit too late but for what it's worth, "Neener, neener."

 

[66gardeners]

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And all of that means?

It means a lot of people died over a few men's greed. Pathetic that they are not prosecuted as war criminals.

 

[66gardeners]

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The line libs use is we wanted to take over Iraq oil when the truth was we wanted to protect the flow of oil which we rely on, huge difference.

No difference in its morality.

 

[66gardeners]

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Petro-Energy is the cesspool. Global Warming says to flush that industry and become renewable, quickly. It is not a coincidence that we have not been able to establish a realistic Energy policy that also mitigates Global Warming. It is good business for existing big business not to change the status quo, and you are defending the status quo's wars with that type of thinking. We shouldn't be drilling here either. Renewable is practical and economical and is stalled by an entrenched energy infrastructure that also owns politicians.

I'm really impressed with your intelligence. How do you explain your views and your identity as a conservative? I identify as a fiscal conservative, but I would not vote for a republican for exactly that reason and many others as well. I consider myself a progressive because who in their right minds would be against progress?

 

[66gardeners]

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By invasion and disposing of the government of a sovereign nation? What right do we have to interfere with how another country manages its property?

Not to mention the cost in lives and dollars has not been worth it.

 

[DaveFagan]

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I'm really impressed with your intelligence. How do you explain your views and your identity as a conservative? I identify as a fiscal conservative, but I would not vote for a republican for exactly that reason and many others as well. I consider myself a progressive because who in their right minds would be against progress?

Don't confuse the voice of experience with intelligence. I'm a truly conservative individual. I'm not a Republican, I'm a Green. I think Republicans have co-opted the word Conservative to obscure their radical right wing views. I'm an environmentalist, a hypocrit, an inventor, don't think gays are genetic, don't oppose gay marriage, view marriage as contracts not religion, definite iconoclast (but don't try it until you know your icons well), etc. I had to learn all about energy and money because I invented a really good energy invention and couldn't sell it ( I guess I don't know crap about marketing). Learned how Energy works and am here to tell others. Those laws passed in the 1920s known as anti-trust laws did not work and they don't teach that. Energy has run this country since John D. Rockefeller (one of my heroes) had a billion dollars in 1913 and the Federal budget was only $813 million. That's a one paragraph short story to cover 600 pages.

 

[66gardeners]

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Don't confuse the voice of experience with intelligence. I'm a truly conservative individual. I'm not a Republican, I'm a Green. I think Republicans have co-opted the word Conservative to obscure their radical right wing views. I'm an environmentalist, a hypocrit, an inventor, don't think gays are genetic, don't oppose gay marriage, view marriage as contracts not religion, definite iconoclast (but don't try it until you know your icons well), etc. I had to learn all about energy and money because I invented a really good energy invention and couldn't sell it ( I guess I don't know crap about marketing). Learned how Energy works and am here to tell others. Those laws passed in the 1920s known as anti-trust laws did not work and they don't teach that. Energy has run this country since John D. Rockefeller (one of my heroes) had a billion dollars in 1913 and the Federal budget was only $813 million. That's a one paragraph short story to cover 600 pages.

Well, it is nice to meet you. Your commentary is not engaging.

 

[SMTA]

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Well, it is nice to meet you. Your commentary is not engaging.

Nor is your constant hate rhetoric.

 

[head of joaquin]

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Nor is your constant hate rhetoric.

This is conservative code for citation of facts that demolish conservative memes.