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Scott Walker opens up about White House ambitions

Money is always the issue.

How cynical. The point I made was the issue, that being how can you be a man of the people while denying people their right to collectively bargain? How can you be a man of the people when you make law that what is left of your bargaining power is limited to a negotiation of 1 or 2% wage increase with any additional increase being bestowed upon them at the political elite's sole discretion? Not much of a people person if you ask me.
 
How cynical. The point I made was the issue, that being how can you be a man of the people while denying people their right to collectively bargain? How can you be a man of the people when you make law that what is left of your bargaining power is limited to a negotiation of 1 or 2% wage increase with any additional increase being bestowed upon them at the political elite's sole discretion? Not much of a people person if you ask me.

Depends on whether you're a teacher or merely a taxpayer. When people are standing three deep for those jobs, it's hard to believe there's a problem with pay. Oh, unless you're a teacher, I guess.
 
Yes, but which people? Public school teachers are people. Firemen are people.

Exactly right, in fact, what he did allowed the state and local municipalities the flexibility to avoid massive layoffs of those very teachers. The status quo would have resulted in teacher layoffs. A perfect example of unions caring more about their power rather than their actual members.
 
Run Scottie, run! I have a bit more faith in candidates for POTUS who have been governors than I do the ones who came from the senate.

I personal like those who want to see America great, and who don't write their laws from the ALEC corporations who want to destroy the US MIddle class and economy.
 
Exactly right, in fact, what he did allowed the state and local municipalities the flexibility to avoid massive layoffs of those very teachers. The status quo would have resulted in teacher layoffs. A perfect example of unions caring more about their power rather than their actual members.



Well, let's face it. Without a union, you can't get minimum wage jobs for teenagers. What good is it to let corporations set wages?
 
How cynical. The point I made was the issue, that being how can you be a man of the people while denying people their right to collectively bargain? How can you be a man of the people when you make law that what is left of your bargaining power is limited to a negotiation of 1 or 2% wage increase with any additional increase being bestowed upon them at the political elite's sole discretion? Not much of a people person if you ask me.


Not much of a pro-American worker which makes this nation great, person.
 
That pro-American worker thing is nonsense here. This wasn't about the middle class worker but the civil service employees that I'll remind you were protected by state laws before the union arrived, always have been. Even FDR disagreed with collective bargaining for civil service employees.
 
Depends on whether you're a teacher or merely a taxpayer. When people are standing three deep for those jobs, it's hard to believe there's a problem with pay. Oh, unless you're a teacher, I guess.

Let's not conflate the issue, people are standing 3 deep for any job.
 
That pro-American worker thing is nonsense here. This wasn't about the middle class worker but the civil service employees that I'll remind you were protected by state laws before the union arrived, always have been. Even FDR disagreed with collective bargaining for civil service employees.

Well, hell, if FDR disagreed let me shut my yap right now....:roll:

;)

The reason collective bargaining came into play in the first place was the same as why it came about in the private sector. The only time politicians found it necessary to raise the pay of governmental employees was during an election year. Now at least through contract negotiations pay raises and the like can be spread across a 4 year period.

Also, while the Public school systems in this country hold near monopoly status it isn't like these school teachers have much of a choice in their chosen profession. The surplus of teachers easily lowers the standard acceptable pay rate just like any other race to the bottom job in the private sector.
 
Scott Walker acknowledged in an interview Friday that he’s open to a presidential bid. Walker insisted he was visiting Iowa in May only because he was invited by Gov. Terry Branstad. But when pressed about his White House ambitions, the Wisconsin Republican said: “Would I ever be [interested]? Possibly. I guess the only thing I’d say is I’m not ruling it out.” Perhaps even more notably, Walker wouldn’t commit to serving throughout a second four-year term. He said his focus is on substance, not longevity.

“For me, it’s really a measure of what I’ve accomplished and what more I could accomplish if I was in a different position,” Walker told POLITICO at CPAC, where he’ll speak Saturday. The governor noted that he ran for Milwaukee County executive during his state legislative term and then sought the governorship in the midst of his tenure as county executive. But Walker, 45, used the question about diversity to note that the Republican challenge isn’t merely that it’s a party dominated by white males. “It goes to old white guys” he said, adding: “I’m not an old white guy.”

Read more: Scott Walker opens up about White House ambitions - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

So the criteria to be a republican contender is anything goes as long as you are not an old white guy. They never seem to get a clue. How about being a man of the people - no matter what color or age they are?

Come 2016 I will vote for anyone who I deem capable of bring fiscal sanity and responsibility to Washington D.C.
 
I'm only talking about the ones that do.

From my experience, there are very few long term unemployed who want to work for the pay of their skill level. I've never had a problem finding qualified applicants in our business, but I do have a hard time finding help for the house, yet we pay $20-$25 per hour. They all usually start out well, but the longer they work for us, the more they seem to take it for granted, which shows in their performance. We're not picky, but we do demand consistency...
 
From my experience, there are very few long term unemployed who want to work for the pay of their skill level. I've never had a problem finding qualified applicants in our business, but I do have a hard time finding help for the house, yet we pay $20-$25 per hour. They all usually start out well, but the longer they work for us, the more they seem to take it for granted, which shows in their performance. We're not picky, but we do demand consistency...

Complacency does take root, I don't dispute that. The question is what can be done to provide a consistant motivational force (outside of giving them the boot). There needs to be a change in behavior on all sides. On the one side you've got to lose this race to the bottom mentality, and on the other you've got to lose this sense of entitlement to more simply because you've "put in your time".
 
Complacency does take root, I don't dispute that. The question is what can be done to provide a consistant motivational force (outside of giving them the boot). There needs to be a change in behavior on all sides. On the one side you've got to lose this race to the bottom mentality, and on the other you've got to lose this sense of entitlement to more simply because you've "put in your time".

Drastically reducing entitlements would be a great start. When the need to succeed is removed from individuals, they generally won't succeed. Self-preservation and self-interest are the most basic human instincts, but the government has managed to dull those over time...
 
Drastically reducing entitlements would be a great start. When the need to succeed is removed from individuals, they generally won't succeed. Self-preservation and self-interest are the most basic human instincts, but the government has managed to dull those over time...

This is a little too "sloganistic" for me to really comment. It sounds like just a reworded way to say you support the Race To The Bottom.

If you could expand slightly on which entitlements specifically, I would be able to better understand where you're coming from.
 
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This is a little to "sloganistic" for me to really comment. It sounds like just a reworded way to say you support the Race To The Bottom.

If you could expand slightly on which entitlements specifically, I would be able to better understand where you're coming from.

All entitlements that last longer than six months...
 
All entitlements that last longer than six months...


I'm gonna have to pull teeth I see, :mrgreen:

Unemployment benefits then? I can agree with this up to a point.

The problem I see is that our safety net is about 5 feet lower than rock bottom. I'm not talking about those who try to game the system I'm talking about individuals who go to work, pay taxes, and through no fault of their own find themselves in a predicament.
 
I'm gonna have to pull teeth I see, :mrgreen:

Unemployment benefits then? I can agree with this up to a point.

The problem I see is that our safety net is about 5 feet lower than rock bottom. I'm not talking about those who try to game the system I'm talking about individuals who go to work, pay taxes, and through no fault of their own find themselves in a predicament.

As far as I'm concerned, there could be a bridge in health insurance, food and housing subsidies, as well as unemployment insurance in those six months. We get very few walk-in applicants in our business (we employ entry level through PHD level technical professionals), and I get even fewer knocks at the door for any type of domestic services. The truly needy will be and generally are taken care of through charitable services...
 
The only change made to firefighters and LEO's was that they are no longer able to bargain over their healthcare benefits. In fact, two major firefighter unions endorsed him in his recall election. Reason is coming back into some of the unions -- it's about time.

You ought to hear what our local firefighters have to say about Herr Walker. I pray his mansion never catches on fire.

Maggie, I know what some propaganda outlets are saying. But I live here. My neighbors live here. From Hurley to Kenosha and Eau Claire to Green Bay..... Scott Walker is a poopy-head. Wisconsin has gone downhill since he walked in with no bottom in sight. But, soon enough, with the help of good folks such as yourself, he will be a national problem and we will be able to recover on a state level with him out of the way.

I think you picked a losing horse in this debate. Have an awesome weekend.
 
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