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Obamacare Revolt: Physicians Fight Back Against the Bureaucratization of Health Care

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Rocketman said:
What I did and this may not be for you is I took my companies lowest offering reducing my premiums 80%. I then found a hospital and doctor in a neighboring town that reduceds cost 70-80% if payment is received day of service. I had what was a 30k operation at my local hospital for 9k at the neighboring hospital, filing with my own insurance and recovering $7200.

I admit it is not as handy as before Obamacare but it makes the most economical sense in the current market we have.
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Out of curioustity why didnt your insurance float the full bill? You just saved them damn near 25,000$ I'd say you earned it as your referal fee.
 
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Homer. said:
I would pay £0 upfront for that operation, and the average Brit pays 2-3 times less tax for healthcare than the average American for their healthcare insurance.
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I think your total tax burden is much higher. I have an associate that used to work here with me working in England and taxes are much higher than here.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Out of curioustity why didnt your insurance float the full bill? You just saved them damn near 25,000$ I'd say you earned it as your referal fee.
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They only cover 80% and I cover 20%.
 
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66gardeners said:
Chickens for Check-ups - Yeah that'll work.
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Good afternoon, 66gardeners.

And you don't even have to go to the store...the darn things will be delivered.... :eek: I'd negotiate for eggs, myself...
 
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Rocketman said:
They only cover 80% and I cover 20%.
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They didnt take into consideration you saved them big?
 
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PirateMk1 said:
They didnt take into consideration you saved them big?
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they don't even know, I also saved me big. 1800 versus 6000
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I question how you could possibly justify the bolded. Under PPACA you must either buy gov't approved "private" medical care insurance or pay a fine (added tax). If "opting out" was legal then you would be correct yet, after 2014, that is no longer an option.
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Except the fine is nowhere close to the cost of health insurance.

Less than $9,500 income = $0
$9,500 - $37,000 income = $695
$50,000 income = $1,000
$75,000 income = $1,600
$100,000 income = $2,250
$125,000 income = $2,900
$150,000 income = $3,500
$175,000 income = $4,100
$200,000 income = $4,700
Over $200,000 = The cost of a "bronze" health-insurance plan


Read more: How Much Is The Obamacare Penalty Tax? - Business Insider
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MaggieD said:
Except the fine is nowhere close to the cost of health insurance.
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That is true now (initially) yet things can be "adjusted" to change that. You are comparing the price of an exchange policy without the subsidy, so if a person made 250% of the poverty level then their fine would be about $500, or about 20% of what their out of pocket insurance premium cost would be (about $2,300 per year). So that person can pay a $42/month fine and get no insurance or pay $192/month and get insurance with an annual maximum out of pocket cost of about $3,000. Are they 2/3 of the way there just for premiums? That is unclear to me. I would expect the PPACA "no insurance fines" (taxes?) to rise (very soon) to force more of the young healthy folks into the subsidized "risk pool".

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/7962-02.pdf
 
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polgara said:
Good afternoon, 66gardeners.

And you don't even have to go to the store...the darn things will be delivered.... :eek: I'd negotiate for eggs, myself...
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Hey Polgara.

Well, I'm in luck. Two years ago my husband retired and got some chickens for a hobby. We haven't had to barter any - YET!
 
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66gardeners said:
Hey Polgara.

Well, I'm in luck. Two years ago my husband retired and got some chickens for a hobby. We haven't had to barter any - YET!
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Oh boy! Are you ever in for some fun! Just don't name them, or they'll be with you in their old age :)
 
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Homer. said:
I would pay £0 upfront for that operation, and the average Brit pays 2-3 times less tax for healthcare than the average American for their healthcare insurance.
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Rocketman said:
I think your total tax burden is much higher. I have an associate that used to work here with me working in England and taxes are much higher than here.
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Our tax burden which covers healthcare is much lower than the average Americans health insurance costs though.
In the UK, a worker on an average wage will pay £757 tax per year (2005 figures) towards the NHS. Everyone has 'full coverage', no deductables, etc.
 
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Homer. said:
Our tax burden which covers healthcare is much lower than the average Americans health insurance costs though.
In the UK, a worker on an average wage will pay £757 tax per year (2005 figures) towards the NHS. Everyone has 'full coverage', no deductables, etc.
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That is not what he says, he says even though he received a raise he has much less disposable income now. The same thing our Canadian associates say.
 
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