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Kid's Purim Costume : The Burning Twin Towers [W:44]

Dr. Chuckles said:
Yes, I chose to point out how stupid it was to try and justify the costume, due to supporting israel



Overly zealous? The entire line of reasoning is completely moronic. Nothing about the OP being a bigot requires people to defend a tasteless costume.



Yes, I'm sure old joe McCarthy followed similar lines of ill logic
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I'm like Joe McCarthy now, am I? That is most impressive.

I will have to sort through my short list of objectionable historical figures before I can return the tat for your tit, however.
 
Gardener said:
I'm like Joe McCarthy now, am I? That is most impressive.

I will have to sort through my short list of objectionable historical figures before I can return the tat for your tit, however.
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Make sure you cross check it with your files on secret antisemites.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yeah - I figured that much . . . so anywhere Jewish people are or is it mostly celebrated in certain countries?

It sounds interesting - I suppose.
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THe two largest Jewish populations are in Israel and the States, with not all that many elsewhere, but of those I have known personally, few actually celebrated it much. Jewish describes an ethnicity, and most of thoose I have known are liberal, secular and not particularly religious. I am not Jewish, myself, though, so there may be people with a better handle on things.
 
Arcana XV said:
Cool. :D My cause has more people to stand up for than your yours. I so win. Plus they're a lot more defenseless. They need me.
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Have I ever mentioned that I am completely defenseless?
 
Gardener said:
People are free here to indulge in Holocaust denial, indulge in any conspiracy theory they wish that blames Jews for things they did not do, support the aims of a group like Hamas committed to genocide against them, say they control Hollywood and want people in Hollywood killed, or further any of the endless canards in regards to their manipulativeness, secretiveness, and diabolical self-interest.

and this they do hundreds and hundreds of times over.
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People in the US might not like it, but I am happy to live in a country where denial of the holocaust is illegal.
 
Peter King said:
People in the US might not like it, but I am happy to live in a country where denial of the holocaust is illegal.
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I thought the Netherlands was the epitome of libertarianism?
 
Peter King said:
People in the US might not like it, but I am happy to live in a country where denial of the holocaust is illegal.
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I suppose if there are three possibilities as follows:

1 -- allow the Holocaust denial and hate speech, but all the full reaction to the hatred.

2 -- do not allow the Holocaust denial and hatred, which would then not engender the reaction.

3 -- allow the holocaust denial and hatred, but punish those who react.

Of the three choices, I actually prefer the first, as it allows full expression of the outrage. The third choice is the worst BY FAR, as it acts to support the Holocaust denial and hatred by attempting to eliminate the response to it. The second choice is between the two for me, so while I am not absolutely against it, I would prefer that my rights to ridicule the things that indulge in it not be limited.
 
Fog hit said:
I thought the Netherlands was the epitome of libertarianism?
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We are a pretty liberal country, especially when it is about freedoms (freedom to choose to have an abortion, choose to have euthanasia, choose to marry someone from your own gender) but when it comes to holocaust denial one can get prosecuted for doing it.
 
Gardener said:
I suppose if there are three possibilities as follows:

1 -- allow the Holocaust denial and hate speech, but all the full reaction to the hatred.

2 -- do not allow the Holocaust denial and hatred, which would then not engender the reaction.

3 -- allow the holocaust denial and hatred, but punish those who react.

Of the three choices, I actually prefer the first, as it allows full expression of the outrage. The third choice is the worst BY FAR, as it acts to support the Holocaust denial and hatred by attempting to eliminate the response to it. The second choice is between the two for me, so while I am not absolutely against it, I would prefer that my rights to ridicule the things that indulge in it not be limited.
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Nothing about anti-semirism requires some idiot to attempt and justify a rather tasteless children's costume. Not only as a means to counter such thoughts is it totally ineffective, but they have absolutely nothing to do with each other
 
Hatuey said:
You mean like the gang of Conservatives who dredge up such articles and you never seem to have a problem with? Gardener only seems to have a problem with stories that speak badly of the good Israelis. You've essentially ignored the most salient point of this thread, which is you know, the facts that these kids parents are questionable at best, and moved straight ahead into your broken record screams of antisemitism and rah-rah-rah-Israel.
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Are you at all familiar with the OP's posting history?
 
Peter King said:
We are a pretty liberal country, especially when it is about freedoms (freedom to choose to have an abortion, choose to have euthanasia, choose to marry someone from your own gender) but when it comes to holocaust denial one can get prosecuted for doing it.
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Could it be because they have some personal experience with the Holocaust?
 
Fog hit said:
I thought the Netherlands was the epitome of libertarianism?
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May I suggest reading a brief history of the Netherlands under German occupation during World War II?
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Nothing about anti-semirism requires some idiot to attempt and justify a rather tasteless children's costume. Not only as a means to counter such thoughts is it totally ineffective, but they have absolutely nothing to do with each other
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I was responding to Peter King.
 
Gardener said:
This is such earthshattering News that will impact us all greatly.

It's a good thing that there are posters here who scour the net looking for anything that makes Jews look bad so we can remain informed of these important world events.
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Anything that makes Jews look bad? You lost me. This makes the kids parents look bad. Why would you take a bad decision made by one or two people and relate that to millions of other people. That is quite a leap. wow.
 
rjay said:
Anything that makes Jews look bad? You lost me. This makes the kids parents look bad. Why would you take a bad decision made by one or two people and relate that to millions of other people. That is quite a leap. wow.
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It was lost you because you are completely ignorant of this poster's posting history.
 
Wiggen said:
Could it be because they have some personal experience with the Holocaust?
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most likely yes, also there is an element of guilty conscience. Dutch Jews were easily recognized because we had a very good civil registration. One of the registered things was which religion people adhered to, plus the address etc. When the Germans invaded and took over all the city halls/local rule they could just delve into the towns registration files and pick out everyone who was Jewish.
 
Gardener said:
It was lost you because you are completely ignorant of this poster's posting history.
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You're right. I am. Perhaps that knowledge would have affected how I reacted to your post.
 
Peter King said:
We are a pretty liberal country, especially when it is about freedoms (freedom to choose to have an abortion, choose to have euthanasia, choose to marry someone from your own gender) but when it comes to holocaust denial one can get prosecuted for doing it.
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No offense, but if you deny one to speak their mind on a given subject... You can't claim to be a free speech nation. It's akin to "slightly pregnant".
 
Peter King said:
This IMHO has nothing to do with anti-semitic views but with a costume being in poor taste. I would have thought exactly the same thing if someone would have dressed up their kids like this on Halloween. Poor taste is just poor taste, nothing more and nothing less.
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It doesn't, just some douchbags who happen to be from Israel. But as soon as Israel gets mentioned anywhere, you'll notice the same few people immediately decrying it as antisemitism or something of the matter.

But the parents are rather big jerks for the costume; though they are free to do as they want.
 
Hatuey said:
For some reason I think that if a Muslim had done this, we'd have endless Conservative posts screaming "Religion of peace".
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That's likely because they would be.
 
Fog hit said:
No offense, but if you deny one to speak their mind on a given subject... You can't claim to be a free speech nation. It's akin to "slightly pregnant".
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No offense, but living under the nazis for 4 years and watching your neighbors hauled away to extermination camps may slightly affect your viewpoint on free speech, especially when you've witnessed first hand what the consequences can be of that speech.
 
Wiggen said:
No offense, but living under the nazis for 4 years and watching your neighbors hauled away to extermination camps may slightly affect your viewpoint on free speech, especially when you've witnessed first hand what the consequences can be of that speech.
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Not sure I follow. What are the consequences of free speech that worsened the Holocaust? And does that mean that in today's world it's ok to infringe upon free speech because what someone is saying is stupid. If we can regulate and limit stupid, let me know, cause there's many applications for such restriction.
 
Fog hit said:
No offense, but if you deny one to speak their mind on a given subject... You can't claim to be a free speech nation. It's akin to "slightly pregnant".
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That is why I said pretty liberal. If you privately think or speak your mind about a given subject that is your right, to publicly deny the holocaust goes a step further than that. That is where the law comes into effect.
 
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