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Jury Finds Occupy Wall Street Protester Innocent After Video Contradicts Police

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In the first jury trial stemming from an Occupy Wall Street protest, Michael Premo was found innocent of all charges yesterday after his lawyers presented video evidence directly contradicting the version of events offered by police and prosecutors.
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You mean the police and prosecutors fabricated evidence and testimony in order to attempt a conviction of an innocent person? Say it ain't so. I can't speak for New York, but here in Houston, Texas, that's called Official Oppression, and it's a felony.

Article is here.
 
danarhea said:
You mean the police and prosecutors fabricated evidence and testimony in order to attempt a conviction of an innocent person? Say it ain't so. I can't speak for New York, but here in Houston, Texas, that's called Official Oppression, and it's a felony.

Article is here.
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The police were and are nothing but the Gestapo of the political elite when it comes to Occupy Wall Street and similar organisations. Anything that threatens Wall Street and the banks are considered enemies of the state.
 
PeteEU said:
The police were and are nothing but the Gestapo of the political elite when it comes to Occupy Wall Street and similar organisations. Anything that threatens Wall Street and the banks are considered enemies of the state.
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Godwinned by post 3! Well done!
 
danarhea said:
You mean the police and prosecutors fabricated evidence and testimony in order to attempt a conviction of an innocent person? Say it ain't so. I can't speak for New York, but here in Houston, Texas, that's called Official Oppression, and it's a felony.

Article is here.
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I am pretty sure lying under oath is called perjury in NY, and it is also a felony. However, I wonder if because of the special circumstances to where the judge interviewed the officer who was filming in a special meeting means he was never actually sworn in and can avoid the charge. they will probably end up doing their best to keep the liars from prosecution. It is not right, but i am sure it endangers other cases also and they probably don't want that.

Oh, and as for the texas comment i do believe that texas is one of the states taking a beating on the new rules that allow DNA evidence to overturn old convictions. I don't think it being a felony makes much of a difference when you have a criminal cop. it would also seem that under the texas death penalty certain police and prosecutors may have gotten away with murdering innocent people through the law. Don't get me wrong, I doubt there is a single state out there with a completely honest police force and state prosecutor's office. However, claiming texas is honest seems to be really off.
 
I don't believe the article stated that NY was going to prosecute for perjury. Wouldn't this be incumbent upon the Prosecutor as a rule of law. Does it mean the Prosecutor is "bought and sold" if he/she does not prosecute? Is it another way of saying "Justice is for the rich and influential?" You know, the Prosecutor is working for Wall Street. The 1%. Does this surprise anyone?
 
Much of the crowd still broke trespassing and resisting laws, let's not forget that.

Also, he wasn't "innocent". He was probably found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Man, that reasonable doubt is an awesome thing. He pled the 5th and the prosecution couldn't make their case.

It's that simple.
 
danarhea said:
You mean the police and prosecutors fabricated evidence and testimony in order to attempt a conviction of an innocent person? Say it ain't so. I can't speak for New York, but here in Houston, Texas, that's called Official Oppression, and it's a felony.

Article is here.
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he wasn't found innocent, he was not found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. huge difference
 
danarhea said:
You mean the police and prosecutors fabricated evidence and testimony in order to attempt a conviction of an innocent person? Say it ain't so. I can't speak for New York, but here in Houston, Texas, that's called Official Oppression, and it's a felony.

Article is here.
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so you are trying to say because one man out of a crowd was found innocent of a crime means no crime ever did happen?
So i guess none of the rapes and destruction of property ever did happen because of one man was found innocent of one crime
 
ARealConservative said:
he wasn't found innocent, he was not found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. huge difference
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So despite the hard evidence he is just "not guilty" a phrase that has lately come along with the tag "possibly still guilty so beware!" *shakes head* Hard evidence of him not doing what it is claimed that he did and he is still not considered innocent in peoples eyes. Some times "not guilty" really does mean "innocent". Particularly since one of our nations motto's is "innocent until proven guilty".
 
trfjr said:
so you are trying to say because one man out of a crowd was found innocent of a crime means no crime ever did happen?
So i guess none of the rapes and destruction of property ever did happen because of one man was found innocent of one crime
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Do you make it a habit of blaming the whole for the actions of a few?

And yes, as far as the man in the article is concerned, no crime happened.
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't believe the article stated that NY was going to prosecute for perjury. Wouldn't this be incumbent upon the Prosecutor as a rule of law. Does it mean the Prosecutor is "bought and sold" if he/she does not prosecute? Is it another way of saying "Justice is for the rich and influential?" You know, the Prosecutor is working for Wall Street. The 1%. Does this surprise anyone?
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The prosecutor was working for the state you.... you.... person!

If one of these "occupy" folks kicked a homeless guy's teeth out and got arrested..... the prosecutor would still be working for the state, but would be doing so on behalf of the victim, the homeless guy.

In a case of trespassing, the prosecutor is working for the state, on behalf of the city of <insert city name here>
 
Kal'Stang said:
Do you make it a habit of blaming the whole for the actions of a few?

And yes, as far as the man in the article is concerned, no crime happened.
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no it means that the man was innocent of the crime it doesn't mean a crime never did happen
If a bank is robbed and the person was found innocent of the robbery it doesn't mean the bank was never robed all it means is he wasn't the one who did it

And i will ask you this, Do you believe the Tea Party is racist because of a very few had racist signs at some rally?
 
trfjr said:
no it means that the man was innocent of the crime it doesn't mean a crime never did happen
If a bank is robbed and the person was found innocent of the robbery it doesn't mean the bank was never robed all it means is he wasn't the one who did it
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In regards to the guy in the article this is irrelevent.

trfjr said:
And i will ask you this, Do you believe the Tea Party is racist because of a very few had racist signs at some rally?
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I don't blame the whole for the actios of a few. So no, the Tea Party as a whole is not racist. Only those individuals holding racist signs are.....did you really expect me to answer differently after my last response to you?
 
Good news! It's good to see a jury rising to the occasion. :)
 
How about now we prosecute crooked cops like these? If we don't hold police responsible for their transgressions, they'll keep transgressing.
 
It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
 
MarineTpartier said:
It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
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My mother was a cop before she became a lawyer.
 
Gipper said:
Much of the crowd still broke trespassing and resisting laws, let's not forget that.

Also, he wasn't "innocent". He was probably found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Man, that reasonable doubt is an awesome thing. He pled the 5th and the prosecution couldn't make their case.

It's that simple.
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No he was found not guilty because a videotape surface which proved that the cops were flat out lying.
 
MarineTpartier said:
It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
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I have no problem with, and actually support, ploice in general. However, when police officers do something like this, it is worth condemning. It is worth mentioning though that specific officers is not all police. The actions of a few, be they police, Occupy, or the tea party, do not represent the whole. Unfortunately, people on any side tend to find groups representing those they disagree with and use bad apples to paint that whole, be it calling police "gestapo", tea partiers "racists", or Occupy "criminals", or any of a few other examples I can think of. It is something done by people who cannot handle discussing issues, so they simply target those arguing against them.
 
Gipper said:
Much of the crowd still broke trespassing and resisting laws, let's not forget that.

Also, he wasn't "innocent". He was probably found not guilty due to lack of evidence. Man, that reasonable doubt is an awesome thing. He pled the 5th and the prosecution couldn't make their case.

It's that simple.
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Actually, the video showed that he was innocent of the charges that were brought against him, though "innocent" is not a valid finding for a jury
 
MarineTpartier said:
It really bugs me to hear all of the cop hatred on this website. Those guys do a hard job, with garbage hours, for very minimal pay. And they have to deal with idiots like some that I've read on this website. Sure, there are a few crooked ones. Name a profession that doesn't have a few crooked ones. Just because there are a few crooked ones doesn't mean we should lump them all together. Most of these guys are doing more of a service to our country than active duty servicemembers are IMO. These guys actually protect citizens from the bad guys unlike us who go galavanting around the world fighting people who would allegedly leave their caves to bomb us if we didn't. Stop being a bunch of haters and appreciate the job done by these guys.
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Yes, it bugs me too

They do a boring job, and unfortunately, when they're actually called upon to do something, they tend engage in criminal behavior. The fact that no cop involved in this situation had the balls to stand up and tell the truth of what really happened, and instead kept quiet clearly demonstrates the corrupt culture of the NYPD
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't believe the article stated that NY was going to prosecute for perjury. Wouldn't this be incumbent upon the Prosecutor as a rule of law. Does it mean the Prosecutor is "bought and sold" if he/she does not prosecute? Is it another way of saying "Justice is for the rich and influential?" You know, the Prosecutor is working for Wall Street. The 1%. Does this surprise anyone?
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I agree it sounds like corruption, but prosecutors don't always prosecute, and our legal system wiould be an overrun mess, more than it is already, if they had to prosecute every case. The victim does have some recourse and can certainly lodge complaints, and they can go after penalizing civikl lawsuits. Still, prosecutors need the ability to decide to not prosecute or delay a case's prosecution for a number of reasons.
 
sangha said:
Yes, it bugs me too

They do a boring job, and unfortunately, when they're actually called upon to do something, they tend engage in criminal behavior. The fact that no cop involved in this situation had the balls to stand up and tell the truth of what really happened, and instead kept quiet clearly demonstrates the corrupt culture of the NYPD
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They tend to do criminal things when presented with them? I will agree there is corruption and prejudice in the system, and that there are cops who do illegal things. however, I think you are going to have to actually quantify that conclusion considering because they do things every day and our courts operate most days hearing actual criminal cases. I am pretty sure if they tended to do illegal things we would have a lot more problems. Of course, your perception is that it happens all the time because when the bad things happen you hear about it. You simply do not hear about the the thousands of things they do every day that are good. That is boring and it doesn't make news, and you probably don't know about it because no one shows it to you. Even if they did show it to you it would be so boring you would never pay attention to it.
 
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