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Texas bans shooting immigrants from helicopters

Before you go out of your way to try to kill someone you should be reasonably sure they intend to do harm. Shooting illegal immigrants that reprsent no danger excpet trying to find a job is not the same as killing someone plotting to do harm to American citizens. It just isnt.
Really? A big difference? How do you know the guys illegally entering your country in the back of a pickup truck aren't members of Al Quida? The difference, from my perspective, is that the drone attacks are happening in countries most Americans couldn't find on a map and are killing people most Americans identify as dangerous and not like them, even though some of them are actually American citizens. Bring the drone attacks closer to home and all hell would break loose.

Where there is no difference is in shooting indescriminately from the sky from a drone or from a helicopter - to suggest otherwise, is dishonest.
 
There's nothing theoretical about the picture presented in the preview above. Did you even look at it? Answers.com has a good explanation of the types of jobs illegal immigrants take and why as well:
US Illegal Immigration Explained - Profits and Poverty, Social Security and Starvation

Also, in case you'd like to see a documentary instead of a fictional narrative based on truths, speaking of the brutal conditions illegal immigrants must face just to become an illegal immigrant, I recommend you watch the following video of a man who actually decided to weather it all with 4 immigrants making the crossing:
Watch Mojados, the Mexican Documentary by Tommy Davis

And what does any of that matter here?

You honestly think that the situation in Mexico has nothing to do with the U.S.? You may want to read this:
The Persistent U.S. Assault to Takeover and Control Mexico

You have it terribly bad in your own country so it's okay to break into another's country? We already have our own hard luck stories and folks born to poverty to deal with.

If things weren't so much worse in Mexico, do you honestly think they'd risk their lives to work in the U.S. illegally?
 
So as a civilian in a helicopter, how would you know?

What's your point? My point was shooting from a helicopter is no worse or no better, morally, than shooting from a drone, particularly since there are thousands of innocent dead bodies all over the middle east as a result of collateral damage or missed or wrong targets.
 
Before you go out of your way to try to kill someone you should be reasonably sure they intend to do harm. Shooting illegal immigrants that reprsent no danger excpet trying to find a job is not the same as killing someone plotting to do harm to American citizens. It just isnt.

And once again, none of that was what was happenning or allowed here. The folks in the helo weren't shooting for the people but to disable the truck.
 
There's nothing theoretical about the picture presented in the preview above. Did you even look at it? Answers.com has a good explanation of the types of jobs illegal immigrants take and why as well:
US Illegal Immigration Explained - Profits and Poverty, Social Security and Starvation

Also, in case you'd like to see a documentary instead of a fictional narrative based on truths, speaking of the brutal conditions illegal immigrants must face just to become an illegal immigrant, I recommend you watch the following video of a man who actually decided to weather it all with 4 immigrants making the crossing:
Watch Mojados, the Mexican Documentary by Tommy Davis

Save your breath.

I don't click on your CT links because I do not care.
 
If they cant see what is in the back of the truck they wuold have to assume there were people in it. Did you read the rest of the article? The shooter was suspended.
And once again, none of that was what was happenning or allowed here. The folks in the helo weren't shooting for the people but to disable the truck.
 
Really? A big difference? How do you know the guys illegally entering your country in the back of a pickup truck aren't members of Al Quida? The difference, from my perspective, is that the drone attacks are happening in countries most Americans couldn't find on a map and are killing people most Americans identify as dangerous and not like them, even though some of them are actually American citizens. Bring the drone attacks closer to home and all hell would break loose.

Where there is no difference is in shooting indescriminately from the sky from a drone or from a helicopter - to suggest otherwise, is dishonest.

Historically, Al Qaeda either flies into the US, or drive in through Canada.
 
I meant it was so obvioulsy soo wrong it is hard to believe they had to pass a law to get people not to do it. but hey, if it hurt your feelings sorry.
Alright, if you don't get in trouble, I guess it's all good then -.-
 
Before you go out of your way to try to kill someone you should be reasonably sure they intend to do harm. Shooting illegal immigrants that reprsent no danger excpet trying to find a job is not the same as killing someone plotting to do harm to American citizens. It just isnt.

You have an unhealthy level of trust in the infallibility of your President and the people who work for him. Using drones to attack the enemy in a field of war is something everyone could and does support - Using drones in a sovereign country, when you're not at war with them, when in some cases they are your ally, to target one person yet kill dozens of innocent others as well is not something decent, moral people would support - I don't support any person or entity that considers themselves an arbitor of who lives and who dies from the comfort of a golf cart thousands of miles away.
 
You might be right about that. I beleived GWB when he said Iraq had WMD. I must get more cynical.
You have an unhealthy level of trust in the infallibility of your President and the people who work for him. Using drones to attack the enemy in a field of war is something everyone could and does support - Using drones in a sovereign country, when you're not at war with them, when in some cases they are your ally, to target one person yet kill dozens of innocent others as well is not something decent, moral people would support - I don't support any person or entity that considers themselves an arbitor of who lives and who dies from the comfort of a golf cart thousands of miles away.
 
You honestly think that the situation in Mexico has nothing to do with the U.S.? You may want to read this:
The Persistent U.S. Assault to Takeover and Control Mexico

Once again, why does that matter in this issue? Not to mention the article is a bunch of horse****.

If things weren't so much worse in Mexico, do you honestly think they'd risk their lives to work in the U.S. illegally?

The illegals who were shot are from Guatemala, not Mexico. And it doesn't matter one whit if the conditions in their home country are worse for them, they still cannot invade another country because they cannot manage their own.
 
What's your point? My point was shooting from a helicopter is no worse or no better, morally, than shooting from a drone, particularly since there are thousands of innocent dead bodies all over the middle east as a result of collateral damage or missed or wrong targets.

Excellent! I can only imagine how we would feel if that were happening to us. I can almost guarantee we would NOT be happy, and we would be ready to stop it by any means possible. As I am sure they are. "Oops" doesn't make it acceptable to those affected...:(
 
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Yup... Only in Texas... [/FONT][/COLOR]

Obviously you're not from Texas.

If you are pulled over by the cops here in Texas...and they search you and/or your vehicle for guns or knives....and you don't have any. They give you one of each. That's by order of the Governor of the Great State of Insanity, Rick Perry...

Texas is one of the most "right to bear arms...and use them" states in the nation.

If the State Troopers can't shoot from helicopters...so what? They'll compensate...not sure how, but you can bet on it. Perry will make sure of that.
 
Historically, Al Qaeda either flies into the US, or drive in through Canada.

Are you trying to push Hillary Clinton's old lies about some of the 9/11 highjackers coming through Canada?
 
What's your point? My point was shooting from a helicopter is no worse or no better, morally, than shooting from a drone, particularly since there are thousands of innocent dead bodies all over the middle east as a result of collateral damage or missed or wrong targets.

That's true, no better or worse if you have the intel. The military has intel, and the State Police probably don't. So they're assuming that these people are illegal and violating due process.

I don't like using drones domestically. In a warzone, I'm fine with it.
 
If they cant see what is in the back of the truck they wuold have to assume there were people in it. Did you read the rest of the article? The shooter was suspended.

The shooter was suspended, which makes your posts about target shooting illegals from a helo even more of a made-up situation. And again, they were shooting to disable the truck, I doubt they were targetting the rear of the vehicle.
 
Excellent! I can only imagine how we would feel if that were happening to us. I can almost guarantee we would NOT be happy, and we would be ready to stop it by any means possible. As I am sure they are. "Oops" doesn't make it acceptable to those affected...:(

Well, it's not happening to us and it wouldn't happen to them if they would stop trying to break into this country. Btw, do you know what happens when you try to border jump Mexico? That's right, they shoot at your ass.
 
That's true, no better or worse if you have the intel. The military has intel, and the State Police probably don't. So they're assuming that these people are illegal and violating due process.

I don't like using drones domestically. In a warzone, I'm fine with it.

I agree with the war zone use of drones - always have, as stated previously.

However, are you suggesting that the Texas troopers have no intel about who's in the pick-up truck they're shooting at? Don't you think they've followed them, perhaps using drones on the border, watched them cross and when they truck refused to stop for authorities they opened fire on them? And you're right, the military does have intel, usually that one or two prime targets are on the move, and they attempt to take them out, often killing many if not dozens of other innocents who just happen to be in the facinity of the bomb. Not much due process there.
 
That's all nice to say, but that's not what happened here -



The police weren't shooting at the people for one. Another thing, that truck could have been carrying anything from drugs to arms that makes these smugglers dangerous people.

It could have been carrying children on the way to school and that's why you don't fire at vehicles from a helicopter if you don't know what's in them. You ever tried to shoot a gun from a moving vehicle? Now picture that vehicle is 500 feet in the air and vibrating like you wouldn't believe. Pinpoint accurate, right?

They were shooting at people.
 
Yea, exaclty.
It could have been carrying children on the way to school and that's why you don't fire at vehicles from a helicopter if you don't know what's in them. You ever tried to shoot a gun from a moving vehicle? Now picture that vehicle is 500 feet in the air and vibrating like you wouldn't believe. Pinpoint accurate, right?

They were shooting at people.
 
Well, it's not happening to us and it wouldn't happen to them if they would stop trying to break into this country. Btw, do you know what happens when you try to border jump Mexico? That's right, they shoot at your ass.

Mexico has the right idea, IMO. Ah, but we are more loving and caring, aren't we? :bs:

Are we the only country in the world that encourages ILLEGAL immigration?
 
Somebody has to work at McDonalds.
Mexico has the right idea, IMO. Ah, but we are more loving and caring, aren't we? :bs:

Are we the only country in the world that encourages ILLEGAL immigration?
 
It could have been carrying children on the way to school and that's why you don't fire at vehicles from a helicopter if you don't know what's in them. You ever tried to shoot a gun from a moving vehicle? Now picture that vehicle is 500 feet in the air and vibrating like you wouldn't believe. Pinpoint accurate, right?

They were shooting at people.

No, it couldn't have. You seem to think this took place in a population center, in the middle of town or something.

Face it, the truck was fleeing border patrol and a helo out in the boonies. Let's at least try to stay close to reality when you manufacture strawmen.
 
So I suppose you're not allowed to use bait either, right? :2razz:


On a more serious note, I note that the ban is only about not shooting from a helicopter, but makes no mention of shooting from the ground. If people are thinking this is a win for "due process", it isn't.
 
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