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Gas Prices Jump Nearly 25 Cents In Last 2 Weeks

Public transit. I likes it. Means I don't have to worry about the price of gas very often, and the price of fuel for the buses and trains that I ride are dispersed among myself and every other rider.
 
Given that the cost to transport nearly everything increases with increases in gas costs, which in turn increases the prices for most everything... how about we get rid of the gas taxes, cut our sorrows at the pump in half as well as reduce prices all around and shipping costs, and make up that revenue elsewhere?

Could anyone explain to me why this would be a bad idea, or if I am mistaken in my logic/facts?

Because its how the roads get funded. Thats why it would be bad unless you have a way to replace the tax.
 
Public transit. I likes it. Means I don't have to worry about the price of gas very often, and the price of fuel for the buses and trains that I ride are dispersed among myself and every other rider.

With urban sprawl not really being reversed as expected, it's not a viable option for many. It's also a bad idea for many who are allergic to schedules and tend to be rather impulsive.
 
If the guy pulling the ricksha is making the minimum wage, what's your cost/mile going to be? :cool:

What difference does it make.....anything goes wrong. I'll get a bail out. :shock: :lamo
 
Because its how the roads get funded. Thats why it would be bad unless you have a way to replace the tax.

First of all, no it isn't, that's just where they say the money goes. It never does, not directly, state and federal government accounting just doesn't work that way.

Secondly, did you miss the part where I said "and make up that revenue elsewhere?" I wasn't suggesting any state expense go unpaid.
 
Public transit. I likes it. Means I don't have to worry about the price of gas very often, and the price of fuel for the buses and trains that I ride are dispersed among myself and every other rider.

I have never heard of a public transit system that doesn't also require a public subsidy. Nor have I ever run across a public transit system that would take me where I want to go when I want to go. And when I have been forced into it, it seems to take four to five times longer to get there.

I'll keep my independence, thank you.
 
When I lived in Philly I just quit driving my car. Public transport there is a beautiful thing. After you figure it out.
I have never heard of a public transit system that doesn't also require a public subsidy. Nor have I ever run across a public transit system that would take me where I want to go when I want to go. And when I have been forced into it, it seems to take four to five times longer to get there.

I'll keep my independence, thank you.
 
With urban sprawl not really being reversed as expected, it's not a viable option for many. It's also a bad idea for many who are allergic to schedules and tend to be rather impulsive.


It would seem urban sprawl is going to be addressed. Within the next 12-16 months, the EPA will be kicking off their "Environmental Justice" program that will change the urban landscape, and extract revenue from taxpayers living outside the city to the greater benefit those who live in within the city limits.

The government is positioning itself to redesign how and where people live through regulatory force, and objective of the current administration.

Environmental Justice | US EPA
 
It would seem urban sprawl is going to be addressed. Within the next 12-16 months, the EPA will be kicking off their "Environmental Justice" program that will change the urban landscape, and extract revenue from taxpayers living outside the city to the greater benefit those who live in within the city limits.

The government is positioning itself to redesign how and where people live through regulatory force, and objective of the current administration.

Environmental Justice | US EPA

Oh for God's sake...why did you f'n people ELECT this guy? (not you, America in general)

I swear, people thought that Bush eroded people's rights. He ain't got jack on Obama.
 
The government is positioning itself to redesign how and where people live through regulatory force, and objective of the current administration.

Sounds like maybe Trail Of Tears 2.0. Government relocation of the populace does not sound like a happy experience.
 
Oh for God's sake...why did you f'n people ELECT this guy? (not you, America in general)

I swear, people thought that Bush eroded people's rights. He ain't got jack on Obama.


LOL.

It gets worse. If one digs into the "Environmental Justice" initiative, schools come under the thumb of the EPA, and preferential taxpayer funded treatment of EPA approved cities is doled out under their EJ Showcase Community program. A quick review of those cities exposes exactly what those taxpayer dollars are designed to do, and who they are going to.

Showcase Communities | Environmental Justice | U.S. EPA
 
LOL.

It gets worse. If one digs into the "Environmental Justice" initiative, schools come under the thumb of the EPA, and preferential taxpayer funded treatment of EPA approved cities is doled out under their EJ Showcase Community program. A quick review of those cities exposes exactly what those taxpayer dollars are designed to do, and who they are going to.

Showcase Communities | Environmental Justice | U.S. EPA

Interesting, thanks for the link. I've debated a relocation in the recent times, and one of those cities (Kansas City) is on the list. I'm rather curious as to what will come of it.

It mostly sounds like a waste of money, like a public research cash cow, but I'll wait to see what comes of it.
 
Oh for God's sake...why did you f'n people ELECT this guy? (not you, America in general)

I swear, people thought that Bush eroded people's rights. He ain't got jack on Obama.
It too late to ask why. Please obey the rule of law. He is the potus and should be respected.:2usflag:
 
Because its how the roads get funded. Thats why it would be bad unless you have a way to replace the tax.

I'll try to remember that the next time I drive into a car-eating crater in the road. The reality, of course, is that road repair is not where the money actually goes. There is a reason why the nation's infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. I'm sure Minnesotans take solace in being raped at the pump so their bridges don't erode beneath them...too soon?
 
Well, it could be worse.

Some of us old grumpy conservatives remember. Old liberals don't remember, they were to drugged out at the time and they hitchhiked where ever they had to go.
I remember those days. I took my kids to Mexico that Christmas, and one day we took a tour to Teotihuacan. Our guide drove his own station wagon and paid the same for gas as we did, 50 cents/gal in those days, but it was a huge hit on his gross income. On the way back, an Ohio couple in the front seat was explaining "that's why we want to see rationing, because what about the little guy who has to drive 40 miles to work?" Just as she finished saying that, we passed a family of Indians walking alongside the road, and they didn't even have shoes.

That was the first time I was ever embarassed to be an American. Only in America can we talk about "the poor little guy who has to drive 40 miles to work."
 
It too late to ask why. Please obey the rule of law. He is the potus and should be respected.:2usflag:

Respect must be earned. The office deserves respect, but the current occupant has disgraced it and does not deserve respect.
 
I'll try to remember that the next time I drive into a car-eating crater in the road. The reality, of course, is that road repair is not where the money actually goes. There is a reason why the nation's infrastructure is on the verge of collapse. I'm sure Minnesotans take solace in being raped at the pump so their bridges don't erode beneath them...too soon?

Agreed. The year before the bridge collapsed in Minneapolis the state spent $1.5 billion on transportation, but they pissed away 2/3 of it on high-speed rail boondoggles instead of repairing the highways.
 
And before that they went down. Here in Minnesota they were slightly below $3 a gallon for a little bit. It's called the free market and supply and demand.

It costs more in Hawaii because of the added cost of getting the gas out to Hawaii. There are cars on every island (except Niihau) but not refineries! You've got to put it on a boat and take it out there. It costs more in California because of increased demand. Should Obama jump in an demand that the oil companies send more gas to California? Maybe he should just nationalize oil so that he can regulate it...somehow I don't think you're wanting that to happen.


I dunno if we can blame this on supply and demand.

Oil demand down for OECD countries (most oil recipients), and overall below trend for GROWTH in demand when all countries included:
OECD consumption declined by 1.2% (600,000b/d), the fifth decrease in the past six years, reaching the lowest level since 1995. Outside the OECD, consumption grew by 1.2 million b/d, or 2.8%. Despite strong oil prices, oil consumption growth was below average in producing regions of the Middle East and Africa due to regional unrest. China again recorded the largest increment to global consumption growth (+505,000 b/d, +5.5%) although the growth rate was below the 10-year average.

Oil consumption | Statistical Review 2012 | BP

Oil production increased from 26,510,315,000 a year in 2010 to 26,604,485,000 in 2011.

World Crude Oil Production by Year (Thousand Barrels per Day) (plus some math...since this is broken down by day)


This is speculation and cost of refining, if anything.
 
NEW YORK, Feb 10 (Reuters) - The average price in the United States for a gallon of regular gasoline rose nearly 25 cents in the past two weeks, up steadily since December as refineries passed along their costs, a widely followed survey released on Sunday showed.

Someone must have sneezed in Saudi Arabia.
 
Agreed. The year before the bridge collapsed in Minneapolis the state spent $1.5 billion on transportation, but they pissed away 2/3 of it on high-speed rail boondoggles instead of repairing the highways.

The bridge was in the midst of being repaired when it collapsed. Trust me, I drove over it the night before. So they were repairing the highway, which actually contributed to the collapse. All The traffic was in one lane as opposed to two (in fact the right lane was completely missing. Again, I saw it driving past.), and removal of the deck put extra stress on other parts of the bridge that just weren't designed for handling that alone. Especially in rush hour which is when it happened.

Don't let facts get in your way.
 
The bridge was in the midst of being repaired when it collapsed. Trust me, I drove over it the night before. So they were repairing the highway, which actually contributed to the collapse. All The traffic was in one lane as opposed to two (in fact the right lane was completely missing. Again, I saw it driving past.), and removal of the deck put extra stress on other parts of the bridge that just weren't designed for handling that alone. Especially in rush hour which is when it happened.

Don't let facts get in your way.

And don't let a little corner-cutting on costs get your way.
 
And don't let a little corner-cutting on costs get your way.

There was, as there always is, corner-cutting on costs. However, your assertion that they weren't maintaining the highways is false, and your assertion that it was the reason the bridge collapsed is equally false.
 
I remember those days. I took my kids to Mexico that Christmas, and one day we took a tour to Teotihuacan. Our guide drove his own station wagon and paid the same for gas as we did, 50 cents/gal in those days, but it was a huge hit on his gross income. On the way back, an Ohio couple in the front seat was explaining "that's why we want to see rationing, because what about the little guy who has to drive 40 miles to work?" Just as she finished saying that, we passed a family of Indians walking alongside the road, and they didn't even have shoes.

That was the first time I was ever embarassed to be an American. Only in America can we talk about "the poor little guy who has to drive 40 miles to work."

Yeah, we don't want to see the little guy get ahead. Social Darwinism is better.:roll:
 
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