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Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation

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Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation – Capsules - The KHN Blog

Senate Democrats on Thursday showed little love to the Obama administration for how it is implementing the federal health law.

Testifying before the powerful Senate Finance Committee, the administration’s top regulator on new health exchanges encountered criticism from several Democrats who helped push through the 2010 federal health overhaul — among them Chairman Max Baucus of Montana and Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon, Bill Nelson of Florida and Maria Cantwell of Washington.
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Apparently Democrats are getting hell from their constituents and are getting nervous about the implementation of the PPACA. They seem to want to put distance between themselves and the effects of the PPACA.

Given that they wrote the law all by themselves, not even allowing Republicans into bill writing sessions, and passed it with no Republican support at all, it will be interesting to see how they manage to shift blame for this.

They left most of the rule writing to the bureaucrats, which means that they literally could not know what all of the effects of the law would be when they passed it.

They passed a law that was going to cause a lot of people to lose their insurance and was going to cause insurance to be more expensive, and now they are slamming administrators who can't find a way to avoid the problems that Congress created.

Powerful Democrats who helped write and pass Obamacare subjected the new law’s chief administrator to withering criticism at a Senate hearing yesterday. Gary Cohen, the director of the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight, testified before the Senate Finance Committee, and the Democrats on the committee—from its Chairman Max Baucus to Senators Ron Wyden, Bill Nelson, and Maria Cantwell—tore into him.
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Key Democrats Turn on Obamacare | Via Meadia

The Republicans should offer a bipartisan bill to abolish the PPACA almost entirely, and nothing short of that.
 
LowDown said:
The Republicans should offer a bipartisan bill to abolish the PPACA almost entirely, and nothing short of that.
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You must be joking. That would be the absolute WORST thing Republicans could do. Now is the time for them to sit back and STFU.
 
LowDown said:
Valentine’s Day Surprise: Senate Democrats Blast Obamacare Implementation – Capsules - The KHN Blog


Given that they wrote the law all by themselves, not even allowing Republicans into bill writing sessions, and passed it with no Republican support at all, it will be interesting to see how they manage to shift blame for this.
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It will probably go something like: "The Republicans were obstructing the bill, so the Democrats couldn't get everything they wanted"... Say it about 1,000 times on MSNBC, HuffPo, Think Progress, and Alternet - amazingly it becomes fact!
 
Let the PPACA collapse under it's own weight.
 
humbolt said:
Let the PPACA collapse under it's own weight.
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Didn't Reagan say something about immortality and government programs? Unless a stake is driven through the heart of this thing it will be eternal law until it bankrupts the republic and we will be screwed.
 
code1211 said:
Didn't Reagan say something about immortality and government programs? Unless a stake is driven through the heart of this thing it will be eternal law until it bankrupts the republic and we will be screwed.
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That's right, and even Reagan couldn't kill those programs. He tried with the REA, almost got it killed (it had already long outlived it's purpose), then the agency retasked a bit and is still going strong, getting funding.
 
code1211 said:
Didn't Reagan say something about immortality and government programs? Unless a stake is driven through the heart of this thing it will be eternal law until it bankrupts the republic and we will be screwed.
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I don't disagree at all, and Clownboy is correct that people will suffer as a result. I just think it's more politically expedient and palatable to let this thing begin to twist in the wind for a while first. Sounds a little heartless, but when compared to the damage we'll experience if we try to prop it up for decades, I think it's acceptable. Overwhelming public support for repeal will be required before it's possible to achieve it.
 
MaggieD said:
You must be joking. That would be the absolute WORST thing Republicans could do. Now is the time for them to sit back and STFU.
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Depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want the republicans to get political points and seem as being more understanding and more moderate... sure, then they should just let things unfold and not press for anything. They must not look like aggressors. It will also help with the democrats turning on each other and making clowns out of themselves. If the repubs get in on the action, it may alter the intended result.

If you want the country to not get into further ruinous debt by this very wasteful program, then yes, they should act to abolish obamacare.
 
Rainman05 said:
Depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want the republicans to get political points and seem as being more understanding and more moderate... sure, then they should just let things unfold and not press for anything. They must not look like aggressors. It will also help with the democrats turning on each other and making clowns out of themselves. If the repubs get in on the action, it may alter the intended result.

If you want the country to not get into further ruinous debt by this very wasteful program, then yes, they should act to abolish obamacare.
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Right now, it's all conjecture. One set of opinions against another. It needs to go live. THAT is when the problems will become irrefutable. You can't fix something until you're sure what's broken.

If you think Obama would just lie down and play dead if the Republicans started chanting for repeal, you're smokin' somethin' I want. Until the MEDIA grabs on to projected horror stories, it needs to fall under its own weight.
 
humbolt said:
I don't disagree at all, and Clownboy is correct that people will suffer as a result. I just think it's more politically expedient and palatable to let this thing begin to twist in the wind for a while first. Sounds a little heartless, but when compared to the damage we'll experience if we try to prop it up for decades, I think it's acceptable. Overwhelming public support for repeal will be required before it's possible to achieve it.
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Agreed, but there will have to be a sensible alternative plan ready to present. Hopefully it will not require 2500 pages of dense legalese.
 
Rainman05 said:
Depends on what you want to accomplish. Do you want the republicans to get political points and seem as being more understanding and more moderate... sure, then they should just let things unfold and not press for anything. They must not look like aggressors. It will also help with the democrats turning on each other and making clowns out of themselves. If the repubs get in on the action, it may alter the intended result.

If you want the country to not get into further ruinous debt by this very wasteful program, then yes, they should act to abolish obamacare.
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Unless the GOP plans on achieving a veto-proof majority in the Senate in 2014, which is doubtful at the very best, then we'd better be making long-term plans to kill this sucker.
 
MaggieD said:
Right now, it's all conjecture. One set of opinions against another. It needs to go live. THAT is when the problems will become irrefutable. You can't fix something until you're sure what's broken.

If you think Obama would just lie down and play dead if the Republicans started chanting for repeal, you're smokin' somethin' I want. Until the MEDIA grabs on to projected horror stories, it needs to fall under its own weight.
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I see what you're saying Maggie, but also see that this is precisely how these eternal programs are created. Once set in place and started up it cannot be removed without great pain.
 
MaggieD said:
Right now, it's all conjecture. One set of opinions against another. It needs to go live. THAT is when the problems will become irrefutable. You can't fix something until you're sure what's broken.

If you think Obama would just lie down and play dead if the Republicans started chanting for repeal, you're smokin' somethin' I want. Until the MEDIA grabs on to projected horror stories, it needs to fall under its own weight.
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Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
 
clownboy said:
I see what you're saying Maggie, but also see that this is precisely how these eternal programs are created. Once set in place and started up it cannot be removed without great pain.
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Nationalized (in some form) healthcare is not going to go away. The plan will be tweaked...malpractice suits will be addressed...FDA drug approval will be tweaked...standards of care will be fiddled with. This plan is not ever going to be scrapped in its entirety. It's not going to happen.
 
Diogenes said:
Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
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Completely agree.
 
Diogenes said:
Agreed, but there will have to be a sensible alternative plan ready to present. Hopefully it will not require 2500 pages of dense legalese.
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I'm with you on that. There are several plans floating around. We have time from a legislative standpoint - just not much from a financial standpoint.
 
MaggieD said:
Nationalized (in some form) healthcare is not going to go away. The plan will be tweaked...malpractice suits will be addressed...FDA drug approval will be tweaked...standards of care will be fiddled with. This plan is not ever going to be scrapped in its entirety. It's not going to happen.
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That's the formula for never having a working system. Start off on the wrong path and never leave it. It's the old lipstick on a pig routine, no matter how much you apply it's still a pig. And in this case, a pig we're stuck with.
 
MaggieD said:
Nationalized (in some form) healthcare is not going to go away. The plan will be tweaked...malpractice suits will be addressed...FDA drug approval will be tweaked...standards of care will be fiddled with. This plan is not ever going to be scrapped in its entirety. It's not going to happen.
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Yeah. I think we're stuck with some form of national health care. I just don't want that to be the only option. Unless there is some competition we'll never see an end to the costs and the level of care will be in the basement somewhere.
 
Diogenes said:
Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
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I really like that "perhaps even useful".
 
humbolt said:
I don't disagree at all, and Clownboy is correct that people will suffer as a result. I just think it's more politically expedient and palatable to let this thing begin to twist in the wind for a while first. Sounds a little heartless, but when compared to the damage we'll experience if we try to prop it up for decades, I think it's acceptable. Overwhelming public support for repeal will be required before it's possible to achieve it.
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I think the overwhelming public support for repeal is already there, and was, in fact, already there since before this abomination was even signed into law. Only among corrupt politicians is there really any significant popular support for it. Unfortunately, it is exactly these corrupt politicians who we need to repeal it.
 
Diogenes said:
Agreed, but Obama will be irrelevant after the 2014 elections. At that point the Republicans will have to sell their plan to the public and force the Dem candidate into the position of defending ObamaCare, which might even encourage some Dem cooperation in getting ObamaCare modified to where it is unrecognizable and perhaps even useful.
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You cannot polish a turd.

The ObamaCare scam does not need to be modified or amended; it needs to be repealed in its entirety.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I think the overwhelming public support for repeal is already there, and was, in fact, already there since before this abomination was even signed into law. Only among corrupt politicians is there really any significant popular support for it. Unfortunately, it is exactly these corrupt politicians who we need to repeal it.
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Actually if one followed the polls, before it was passed 58% of Americans were against it. Then right after Obama care was signed into law the percentages remain fairly constant 58% wanting repeal, 41% againstg repeal and this held through the 2010 elections. Since then the numbers for repeal has went down. In the latest poll 7-11 Feb 2013, 49% favor repeal and 46% against repeal.

Personally I do not think Obama care is going away. The fever for its repeal has cooled especially since the SCOTUS ruling. The fact that Obama Care wan't a huge campaign issue last year, pretty much tells me the people have accepted it whether they like it or not. It will not be fully implemented until January of next year. Now if it is as bad as the Republicans says it is, people will be fed up and another 2010 type election will take place. If it is nearer to what the Demcrats say it is suppose to be, then Obama care ceases to be an issue and the numbers in the polls will begin to show a majority in favor of keeping the law instead of repealing it.
 
It's bad law and a bad plan, with numerous highly negative unintended consequences buried within. Stand back and watch the Dems go into damage control mode.:laughat:
 
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