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Obama Climate Change Poll Finds Majority Supports 'Significant Steps' To Tackle Problem

Looks like Obama and the Democrats are ahead of the curve on another issue, as the GOP and conservatives sink into a retrograde irrelevancy.


WASHINGTON -- A wide majority of Americans support President Barack Obama's call to take action on climate change, according to polling released by the League of Conservation Voters conducted before his State of The Union Address Tuesday.

Sixty-five percent of Americans support "the President taking significant steps to address climate change now," including 89 percent of Democrats, 62 percent of independents and 38 percent of Republicans.
 
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Define "significant steps."

Given the information provided, it could mean anything from riding a bicycle to work rather than driving to unleashing WMDs on three quarters of the Earth's population to ease population pressures. Deliberately vague and badly constructed polls mean absolutely jack all in terms of actual usable data.

"Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics."
 
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It's about ****ing time Barry.
 
Re: Obama Climate Change Poll Finds Majority Supports 'Significant Steps' To Tackle P

Define "significant steps."

Given the information provided, it could mean anything from riding a bicycle to work rather than driving to unleashing WMDs on three quarters of the Earth's population to ease population pressures. Deliberately vague and badly constructed polls mean absolutely jack all in terms of actual usable data.

"Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics."

You define them -- either way, the GOP is against them, and even denies global warming is happening.

Conservatives are deeply into denial.
 
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You define them -- either way, the GOP is against them, and even denies global warming is happening.

Conservatives are deeply into denial.

Yea, no. Reality doesn't work that way.

If I were to conduct a poll right now, I can guarantee you that 100% of people would be in favor of sex. That wouldn't necessarily mean that 100% or even 50% of those individuals would still be in favor of sex if I were to clarify that by "sex," I meant the act of receiving penetrative anal intercourse.

Likewise, while just about everyone is probably in favor of doing something about global warming, most wouldn't be in favor of baning gasoline powered cars or putting regulations in place which made them too expensive to drive.

Again, without some kind of context, the data presented here is effectively meaningless. I'm guessing that's pretty much exactly what the Obama Administration wants; an overly vague blank check to do whatever they want. :roll:
 
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Yea, no. Reality doesn't work that way.

If I were to conduct a poll right now, I can guarantee you that 100% of people would be in favor of sex. That wouldn't necessarily mean that 100% or even 50% of those individuals would still be in favor of sex if I were to clarify that by "sex," I meant the act of receiving anal penetration.

Likewise, while just about everyone is probably in favor of doing something about global warming, most wouldn't be in favor of baning gasoline powered cars or putting regulations in place which made them too expensive to drive.

Again, without some kind of context, the data presented here is effectively meaningless. I'm guessing that's pretty much exactly what the Obama Administration wants. :reoll:

Keep dreaming. Whatever significant steps are, the GOP opposes them. They can't even accept the science.

The American people have noticed. So it's another losing issue for the GOP. Are they any that aren't?
 
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Keep dreaming. Whatever significant steps are, the GOP opposes them. They can't even accept the science.

The American people have noticed. So it's another losing issue for the GOP. Are they any that aren't?

And people wonder why our democratic system is failing...

"Huuurrr... Global Warming bad! Me no care what you do, just fix it!"

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It's about time people start respecting nature and the ecosystem.

Welcome to 2013 not 1889
 
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And people wonder why our democratic system is failing...

"Huuurrr... Global Warming bad! Me no care what you do, just fix it!"

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Yeah, cuz those are the only two choices.

The GOP policy:

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Keep telling yourself that. That's what they want you to think, and what they're spending damn good propaganda money trying to get you to believe.

Oh, and don't forgot that Obama only wants to tax the 2%!

Global Warming Is Propaganda!

It was only a matter of time before your Denialism was exposed! Science is no friend to conservatives and their fetishes.

Meanwhile, it looks like the rest of the country has moved on, just like it move on from conservative homophobia, misogyny, hatred of nature, and immigrant bashing.
 
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Global Warming Is Propaganda!

It was only a matter of time before your Denialism was exposed! Science is no friend to conservatives and their fetishes.

Meanwhile, it looks like the rest of the country has moved on, just like it move on from conservative homophobia, misogyny, hatred of nature, and immigrant bashing.

Leftwing noise machine meme continues.
 
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Leftwing noise machine meme continues.

So now the League of Women Voters is the leftwing noise machine?

Curiouser and curiouser. Do you also sense the presence of marxists under your bed at night?
 
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Global Warming Is Propaganda!

It was only a matter of time before your Denialism was exposed! Science is no friend to conservatives and their fetishes.

Meanwhile, it looks like the rest of the country has moved on, just like it move on from conservative homophobia, misogyny, hatred of nature, and immigrant bashing.

Ugh... Is it bad that you're actually making me wish I was back on a majority Liberal forum? Even with the constant abuse, they at least tend to know how to argue in a somewhat competent fashion.

In any case, no one's "denied" anything. While I do feel that the "threat" posed by Global Warming tends to be massively overstated, anyone with even a cursory knowledge of geology knows that global temperatures have been gradually rising over the last several centuries.

My point was that the Left harps on "Global Warming" to such a large degree - spending literal billions on the environmental lobby and "awareness" mass media campaigns centered around the issue - precisely because they know that people like yourself will buy into their alarmist rhetoric without any shred of skepticism or objectivity. They use the "environment" as an excuse to push through all kinds of taxes, regulations, and quasi-socialist policies aimed at furthering their own agenda because they know that so long as they frame the issue around "global warming," instead of the petty politics and ideology it really concerns, most people will buy it.

I hate to break it to you, but Cap and Trade, Carbon Credits, and the G8 have precious little to do with the environment, and everything to do with forwarding the political agendas of the parties involved.
 
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I hate to break it to you, but Cap and Trade, Carbon Credits, and the G8 have precious little to do with the environment, and everything to do with forwarding the political agendas of the parties involved.

A cap-and-trade approach was effective in reducing SO2 emissions and largely eliminating North America's acid rain problem. This time around, one is dealing with a global scale issue. Without broad participation by the nations with the highest CO2 emissions, such an approach won't have the same level of effectiveness as the earlier program which dealt with a regional problem. China, for example, is not going to participate in a program that caps its CO2 emissions anytime soon. However, China does face a growing air pollution problem, highlighted by some recent spectacular outbreaks of smog in January, that is creating pressure for China to combat its growing air pollution problem.

Now, if one believes there is no link between CO2 and climate change, then one can freely dismiss policy options aimed at reducing CO2 emissions. However, most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are responsible for pushing annual emissions above annual absorption leading to the growing atmospheric share of CO2. Most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic factors (led by CO2) has created an energy imbalance that is responsible for most of the observed warming that has occurred since the mid-20th century.

Policy makers, of course, must balance many considerations. They do not make policy exclusively on economic terms or scientific terms. The 2009 stimulus package achieved less bang-for-the-buck because it included low multiplier items e.g., temporary tax breaks. That was done for political reasons (to build majority support) and social reasons (to cushion workers from some of the pain) at the trade-off of economic interests (substituting low multiplier items for high multiplier ones). The same will be involved in climate change policy. Energy supply realities (one can't readily and immediately replace fossil fuels, much less in a cost-effective fashion), economic ones (balancing growth with restraint on CO2 emissions), social ones (trying to avoid a situation analagous to a regressive tax), etc. Hence, the policy path will likely prove far slower than some of the scientists involved in climate change research might prefer based on today's scientific understanding.
 
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A cap-and-trade approach was effective in reducing SO2 emissions and largely eliminating North America's acid rain problem.

Proof?

This time around, one is dealing with a global scale issue. Without broad participation by the nations with the highest CO2 emissions, such an approach won't have the same level of effectiveness as the earlier program which dealt with a regional problem. China, for example, is not going to participate in a program that caps its CO2 emissions anytime soon. However, China does face a growing air pollution problem, highlighted by some recent spectacular outbreaks of smog in January, that is creating pressure for China to combat its growing air pollution problem.

Now, if one believes there is no link between CO2 and climate change, then one can freely dismiss policy options aimed at reducing CO2 emissions. However, most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are responsible for pushing annual emissions above annual absorption leading to the growing atmospheric share of CO2. Most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic factors (led by CO2) has created an energy imbalance that is responsible for most of the observed warming that has occurred since the mid-20th century.

Perhaps, but your own argument highlights the major problem with the "global" approach. The whole game becomes a giant case of the "prisoner's dilemma." Frankly, a lot of political elements on the Left and in the developing world lilke it that way.

The simple fact of the matter is that the majority of CO2 emissions today do not come from First World nations, but the developing world. In spite of this, just about every "call to action" in the West has focused on our supposed "guilt" for perpetuating the current "climate crisis" and demanded that we change our own behavior in such a way that will hamper our economic competitiveness in relation to up and coming powers like China and India while virtually ignoring the developing world.

Naturally, nations like China and India are just "A-okay" with this plan, and so are a lot of Leftist academics who have never quite gotten off of the "Imperialist Capitalism was bad, so the West HAS TO PAY" band wagon.

For example, just look at any of the agenda pieces Greenpeace or other similarly aggressive environmental groups put out. If you were to simply replace every instance of the word "climate" or "global warming" in their rhetoric with "proletariat" and "Capitalist oppression," there would effectively be no difference between their own views and those of the Revolutionary Marxist groups of the early 20th Century. They are clearly far more concerned with perceived "Western decadence" than any kind of environmental protectionism.

Don't even get me started on "feel good" but ultimately useless initiatives like carbon credits.

The whole movement needs to be taken with a rather large grain of salt because there are some rather large interests at play beyond simple environmentalism, is all I'm saying.

Policy makers, of course, must balance many considerations. They do not make policy exclusively on economic terms or scientific terms. The 2009 stimulus package achieved less bang-for-the-buck because it included low multiplier items e.g., temporary tax breaks. That was done for political reasons (to build majority support) and social reasons (to cushion workers from some of the pain) at the trade-off of economic interests (substituting low multiplier items for high multiplier ones). The same will be involved in climate change policy. Energy supply realities (one can't readily and immediately replace fossil fuels, much less in a cost-effective fashion), economic ones (balancing growth with restraint on CO2 emissions), social ones (trying to avoid a situation analagous to a regressive tax), etc. Hence, the policy path will likely prove far slower than some of the scientists involved in climate change research might prefer based on today's scientific understanding.

You're not really helping your case by comparing Global Warming policy with the string of useless bailout and stimulus packages Washington has been churning out for the last five years. ;)
 
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So now the League of Women Voters is the leftwing noise machine?

Curiouser and curiouser. Do you also sense the presence of marxists under your bed at night?

Get a clue dude...everybody knows Marxists hide in the closet, it's carriers of the gay disease that hide under beds.
 
Re: Obama Climate Change Poll Finds Majority Supports 'Significant Steps' To Tackle P

A cap-and-trade approach was effective in reducing SO2 emissions and largely eliminating North America's acid rain problem. This time around, one is dealing with a global scale issue. Without broad participation by the nations with the highest CO2 emissions, such an approach won't have the same level of effectiveness as the earlier program which dealt with a regional problem. China, for example, is not going to participate in a program that caps its CO2 emissions anytime soon. However, China does face a growing air pollution problem, highlighted by some recent spectacular outbreaks of smog in January, that is creating pressure for China to combat its growing air pollution problem.

Now, if one believes there is no link between CO2 and climate change, then one can freely dismiss policy options aimed at reducing CO2 emissions. However, most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are responsible for pushing annual emissions above annual absorption leading to the growing atmospheric share of CO2. Most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic factors (led by CO2) has created an energy imbalance that is responsible for most of the observed warming that has occurred since the mid-20th century.

Policy makers, of course, must balance many considerations. They do not make policy exclusively on economic terms or scientific terms. The 2009 stimulus package achieved less bang-for-the-buck because it included low multiplier items e.g., temporary tax breaks. That was done for political reasons (to build majority support) and social reasons (to cushion workers from some of the pain) at the trade-off of economic interests (substituting low multiplier items for high multiplier ones). The same will be involved in climate change policy. Energy supply realities (one can't readily and immediately replace fossil fuels, much less in a cost-effective fashion), economic ones (balancing growth with restraint on CO2 emissions), social ones (trying to avoid a situation analagous to a regressive tax), etc. Hence, the policy path will likely prove far slower than some of the scientists involved in climate change research might prefer based on today's scientific understanding.

You need to post more often imo.
 
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Keep dreaming. Whatever significant steps are, the GOP opposes them. They can't even accept the science.

The American people have noticed. So it's another losing issue for the GOP. Are they any that aren't?

Jesus. You are so blinded by partisanship and false assumptions you can't even make an objective post. How do you know what conservatives would oppose if you don't even know what the proposals are? YOU CAN'T. So many assumptions you make about conservatives are so far off base that it is clear that what others really think can't even be seen from atop your pillar of self delusion. And in case you haven't figured it out yet, man made global warming is not "science". Scientific fact can be proven and duplicated. MMGW is a theory, one predicated on false assumptions reliant on mouth breathing emotional plebes to move forward at a profit for those who tout it. Look at Al Gore. He's made a pretty good living off of it while personally living by none of the standards he and you would impose on others.

Classic liberal strategy:

Create a problem
Insist something be done
Assume the government must be the entity to do it
Create a "solution" that may have to bearing on reality or fact
Denigrate anyone who has a different perspective
Profit
 
Re: Obama Climate Change Poll Finds Majority Supports 'Significant Steps' To Tackle P

A cap-and-trade approach was effective in reducing SO2 emissions and largely eliminating North America's acid rain problem. This time around, one is dealing with a global scale issue. Without broad participation by the nations with the highest CO2 emissions, such an approach won't have the same level of effectiveness as the earlier program which dealt with a regional problem. China, for example, is not going to participate in a program that caps its CO2 emissions anytime soon. However, China does face a growing air pollution problem, highlighted by some recent spectacular outbreaks of smog in January, that is creating pressure for China to combat its growing air pollution problem.

Now, if one believes there is no link between CO2 and climate change, then one can freely dismiss policy options aimed at reducing CO2 emissions. However, most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are responsible for pushing annual emissions above annual absorption leading to the growing atmospheric share of CO2. Most credible scientific work suggests that anthropogenic factors (led by CO2) has created an energy imbalance that is responsible for most of the observed warming that has occurred since the mid-20th century.

Policy makers, of course, must balance many considerations. They do not make policy exclusively on economic terms or scientific terms. The 2009 stimulus package achieved less bang-for-the-buck because it included low multiplier items e.g., temporary tax breaks. That was done for political reasons (to build majority support) and social reasons (to cushion workers from some of the pain) at the trade-off of economic interests (substituting low multiplier items for high multiplier ones). The same will be involved in climate change policy. Energy supply realities (one can't readily and immediately replace fossil fuels, much less in a cost-effective fashion), economic ones (balancing growth with restraint on CO2 emissions), social ones (trying to avoid a situation analagous to a regressive tax), etc. Hence, the policy path will likely prove far slower than some of the scientists involved in climate change research might prefer based on today's scientific understanding.

China is able to allow high pollution levels because they (the Chinese government) impose a higher level of fear and control on their populace. Our government looks to do the same. Thing is, they did it too soon. One or two generations later and people like Jaqwagon would be their elders and they would be so misinformed and complacent you could tell them used socks taste like steak and they'd believe it. The Chinese government doesn't care about pollution, they are making a profit and their citizens can't stop them. Funny that capitalism is touted here as uncaring and greedy when the Chinese government does what they do.
 
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Ugh... Is it bad that you're actually making me wish I was back on a majority Liberal forum? Even with the constant abuse, they at least tend to know how to argue in a somewhat competent fashion.

Your fixation on me is noted.

In any case, no one's "denied" anything. While I do feel that the "threat" posed by Global Warming tends to be massively overstated, anyone with even a cursory knowledge of geology knows that global temperatures have been gradually rising over the last several centuries.

And you claim it's massively overstated because . . . You deny the science.

Thanks for playing.
 
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Get a clue dude...everybody knows Marxists hide in the closet, it's carriers of the gay disease that hide under beds.

My mistake. It's hard to keep up with tea party obsessions. They are so varied and exquisite.
 
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Jesus. You are so blinded by partisanship and false assumptions you can't even make an objective post. How do you know what conservatives would oppose if you don't even know what the proposals are? YOU CAN'T. So many assumptions you make about conservatives are so far off base that it is clear that what others really think can't even be seen from atop your pillar of self delusion. And in case you haven't figured it out yet, man made global warming is not "science". Scientific fact can be proven and duplicated. MMGW is a theory, one predicated on false assumptions reliant on mouth breathing emotional plebes to move forward at a profit for those who tout it. Look at Al Gore. He's made a pretty good living off of it while personally living by none of the standards he and you would impose on others.

Classic liberal strategy:

Create a problem
Insist something be done
Assume the government must be the entity to do it
Create a "solution" that may have to bearing on reality or fact
Denigrate anyone who has a different perspective
Profit

It's a conspiracy!

Man, conservatives are tiresome.
 
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