Obama Climate Change Poll Finds Majority Supports 'Significant Steps' To Tackle Probl

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Hmmm, who here really, truly, believes the poll takers didn't know the result of the poll BEFORE they took it? I've got a bridge you might be interested in if so.

And don't you all know, we're done with dealing with pollution, it's CO2 we're concerned with now. It allows the industries to frack and pollute all they want, as long as they keep their CO2 profile looking good for the dog and pony show. If you've ever been to LA in the summer decades ago and more recently you'd see it's not gotten better, but thanks to California's CO2 standards they do emit less CO2. Oh boy, problem being solved, yes indeed.

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clownboy said:

Hmmm, who here really, truly, believes the poll takers didn't know the result of the poll BEFORE they took it? I've got a bridge you might be interested in if so.

And don't you all know, we're done with dealing with pollution, it's CO2 we're concerned with now. It allows the industries to frack and pollute all they want, as long as they keep their CO2 profile looking good for the dog and pony show. If you've ever been to LA in the summer decades ago and more recently you'd see it's not gotten better, but thanks to California's CO2 standards they do emit less CO2. Oh boy, problem being solved, yes indeed.

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IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

I think in the future this is the only phrase conservatives will ever say. It represents the entirety of the ideological and semantic system, and it's the only "argument" they can make in light of the facts that totally debunk their claims.

Meanwhile science marches forward without them.

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head of joaquin said:

it's a conspiracy!

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a conspirameme!

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Silly. Of course politicians commission polls to highlight their causes. If the POTUS were a republican you'd have been the first to point that out.

Science may be marching forward, but it's doing so without any "help" from you or the rest of the cult.

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donsutherland1 said:

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/m-rcbg/heep/papers/SO2-Brief_digital_final.pdf

http://www.epa.gov/capandtrade/documents/ctresults.pdf

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Fair enough. However, it should be pointed out that emission's trading has been shown to be quite ineffective in several nations.


The Failure of Emissions Trading: The Twilight of European Climate Leadership, Part II

Issues in Emissions Trading - University College Dublin

head of joaquin said:

Your fixation on me is noted.

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And you claim it's massively overstated because . . . You deny the science.

Thanks for playing.

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I claim it's massively overstated because... It's massively overstated.

According to "the science" (whatever that means), not only are the antarctic icesheets not melting at anywhere near the rates various alarmists have claimed in the past, but the supposed "consensus" that today's climate is unusually warm is verifiably false, with temperatures actually being far warmer during the Roman and Medieval periods than today.

I'm sorry, but vague claims of doom and destruction that aren't predicted to come into play for another couple of hundred years (if they ever come into play at all) and vague theories based off of bald-faced assumptions and a general lack of longterm data really isn't enough hard evidence on which to base a panic enduced restructure of our entire society. Get a grip, grow a sense of rational skepticism, and wise up to the fact that you're being manipulated to serve someone else's agenda.

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Gathomas88 said:

Fair enough. However, it should be pointed out that emission's trading has been shown to be quite ineffective in several nations.

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There have been some issues. Even the Harvard reported noted that the approach taken with acid rain was imperfect. If U.S. policy makers believe limiting CO2 emissions is a priority--and there's little concrete evidence toward that end beyond sharpening political rhetoric--attention would need to be paid to issues from practical experience with such programs. One would need to address design flaws, issues that arose, the role of allowances, seek to build upon best practices, and balance some complex trade-offs (economic, social, tax-related, national security, etc.). A 2008 CBO report provided a sketch of some of the issues, but that report is not all-inclusive.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/91xx/doc9134/04-24-cap_trade_testimony.pdf

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Global warming, er, I mean cooling, er, I mean climate change is serious business.

Right up there with UFOs and Bigfoot invasions.

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vendur said:

Global warming, er, I mean cooling, er, I mean climate change is serious business.

Right up there with UFOs and Bigfoot invasions.

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DING DING DING DING.......we have a winner!

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The poll was conducted by the Democratic insider Beneson Strategy Group (http://www.bsgco.com/main/do/Amy_Levin, http://www.bsgco.com/main/do/Joel_Benenson ) on behalf the League of Conservation Voters (http://www.lcv.org/).

(http://www.lcv.org/media/press-releases/polling-on-climate-feb-2013.pdf)


Sampling methods are not disclosed, except that all the respondents are registered voters, and voted in 2012. And "800 phone calls" nationwide is ridiculous to begin with.

But questions they have been asked is the best part. For example: "Just like our parents and grandparents handed us a better earth, we need to be responsible stewards of the earth and do what we can to protect it for our kids and grandkids. If we don't act now, the devastating impacts of climate change - hurricanes, droughts, floods, rising sea levels - will only get worse. We need to act now so that future generations will know we made their world safer and cleaner, not damaged and polluted". (55% said "sure"). Talk about "leading the witness".

Not to menion that "parents and grandparents" obviously had NOT "handed us a better earth", by the logic of the climate change activists. Who was burning all that oil and gas - and coal, and wood....Aliens from the Outer Space?

Needless to say, there's no shown causation link - between "hurricanes" and all that - and "global climate change" that might have resulted from our release of greenhouse gases. But the Sandy is fresh in anyone's memory....

And so on. I wouldn't not be surprised if 65% or even 75% of Americans do support "the President talking signifcant steps now". American people have the constitutional right to be wrong, as Sen.Rudman said once. But the poll is rubbish.

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donsutherland1 said:

There have been some issues. Even the Harvard reported noted that the approach taken with acid rain was imperfect. If U.S. policy makers believe limiting CO2 emissions is a priority--and there's little concrete evidence toward that end beyond sharpening political rhetoric--attention would need to be paid to issues from practical experience with such programs. One would need to address design flaws, issues that arose, the role of allowances, seek to build upon best practices, and balance some complex trade-offs (economic, social, tax-related, national security, etc.). A 2008 CBO report provided a sketch of some of the issues, but that report is not all-inclusive.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/91xx/doc9134/04-24-cap_trade_testimony.pdf

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I think that Internal Protectionism initiatied by the KStreet lobby monies from the status quo of Big Energy Utilities will prevent any substantive, logical, effective, mitigation initiatives by either poltical party. That's "Corporatism, eh?"

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vendur said:

Global warming, er, I mean cooling, er, I mean climate change is serious business.

Right up there with UFOs and Bigfoot invasions.

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It is kinda "squatchy" in here.

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head of joaquin said:

My mistake. It's hard to keep up with tea party obsessions. They are so varied and exquisite.

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Go pray at the altar of Algore. Anarchists and Progressives only exist to assert their false sense of security on the uniformed masses. A lot of the young 'un's don't remember Algore and Tripper and the hoax that was censorship in the 1980's. You folk never learn.

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head of joaquin said:

Obama Climate Change Poll Finds Majority Supports 'Significant Steps' To Tackle Problem

Looks like Obama and the Democrats are ahead of the curve on another issue, as the GOP and conservatives sink into a retrograde irrelevancy.

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I always find it so ironic that conservatives today have become diametrically opposed to policies supported by the League of Conservation Voters, given the root word for both groups is conserve.