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John Guandolo claims John Brennan converted while in Saudi Arabia
Former FBI agent says Mr Brennan visited Mecca and Medina during Hajj

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John Guandolo, who retired from the FBI in 2008, said in a radio interview that John Brennan - who has been nominated by Barack Obama as the new director of the CIA - visited the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina accompanied by Saudi officials who may have persuaded him to convert.

Mr Guandolo told the Trento Radio Show via Skype that Mr Brennan visited the holy sites during the Hajj season - in sees hundreds of thousands of Muslims converge on the cities to perform a series of rituals - while serving as CIA station chief in Riyadh between 1996 and 1999, a report on Al Arabiya News said.

Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering Mecca, and are not permitted to enter the city centre, or sacred core, of Medina.

The ex-FBI agent told the radio station Mr Brennan was 'unfit' to take charge of the CIA, and claimed U.S. government officials based in Saudi Arabia during that period 'were direct witnesses to his growing relationships with individuals who work with the Saudi government and they witnessed his conversion to Islam'.....snip~

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There is a video of this FBI agent with the OP too. Wonder if this will be given any air time over Brennan's confirmation. Could prove interesting.
 
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Despite the allegation. Brennan will be confirmed.
 
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Since this is the daily mail I will take everything they say with a ton of salt. I mean really, you can't trust them to report on celebrity news, let alone real news.
 
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Is the claim that he did convert or is it that he may have converted? Is there any actual evidence to back up this claim?

Incidentally, the Daily Mail is mainstream media. It's corrupt tabloid trash but it is, sadly, still mainstream.
 
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Since this is the daily mail I will take everything they say with a ton of salt. I mean really, you can't trust them to report on celebrity news, let alone real news.

Heya RM.....Yeah I thought about it but since it was Cast over Saudi Television and put in their news. I thought I would put it up. Did you watch the video?
 
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Is the claim that he did convert or is it that he may have converted? Is there any actual evidence to back up this claim?

Incidentally, the Daily Mail is mainstream media. It's corrupt tabloid trash but it is, sadly, still mainstream.

Do you mean other than the former FBI agent saying this? I haven't seen any response by the Saud.
 
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Heya RM.....Yeah I thought about it but since it was Cast over Saudi Television and put in their news. I thought I would put it up. Did you watch the video?

No, I didn't watch the video. But just because a person is FBI, ex-FBI even, doesn't mean he is an authority in the matter. There could be a ton of ulterior motives for him to say what he said. In fact, it may be because he is ex-FBI that he is making these allegations.

Look. The dailymail can never be trusted to be a proper source unless collaborated with other credible sources. Not neccesarily from the mainstream media since they are not really what qualify to be credible sources, but yeah, at least something else. But I don't know. It could be true. It could be, and it is a concern, but it depends on the character of the man, not on the religion he is affiliated with. Maybe he needed a change in his life. The guy did say that this happened in the 90s so, yeah. It could have been anything.

At one point there was the belief that Obama is a muslim. And next month he announced he will make another trip to the Middle East. Last time he did that, he bowed to the Saudi Prince like a vassal and that only accelerated the rumours of him being a Muslim. But he never acted in a way that would put him at odds with his office and his oath even if he were a muslim.

Not all muslims are religious either. So who knows. But this needs more background, more info, it is not really news worthy.
 
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No, I didn't watch the video. But just because a person is FBI, ex-FBI even, doesn't mean he is an authority in the matter. There could be a ton of ulterior motives for him to say what he said. In fact, it may be because he is ex-FBI that he is making these allegations.

Look. The dailymail can never be trusted to be a proper source unless collaborated with other credible sources. Not neccesarily from the mainstream media since they are not really what qualify to be credible sources, but yeah, at least something else. But I don't know. It could be true. It could be, and it is a concern, but it depends on the character of the man, not on the religion he is affiliated with. Maybe he needed a change in his life. The guy did say that this happened in the 90s so, yeah. It could have been anything.

At one point there was the belief that Obama is a muslim. And next month he announced he will make another trip to the Middle East. Last time he did that, he bowed to the Saudi Prince like a vassal and that only accelerated the rumours of him being a Muslim. But he never acted in a way that would put him at odds with his office and his oath even if he were a muslim.

Not all muslims are religious either. So who knows. But this needs more background, more info, it is not really news worthy.

Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering Mecca, and are not permitted to enter the city centre, or sacred core, of Medina.....snip~

Well my question would be.....are there Cameras in Mecca. Which if so, there would be a very easy way to confirm if Brennan walked into Mecca and Medina.

Still it will not matter anyways.....as he will be confirmed. The Republicans don't even have enough to filibuster the Confirmation. So this grandstanding over Obama's picks is nothing more than for show. As the Repubs caved on taking a Stand with them.

McCain was on the Radio over the weekend and stated the Republicans have never filibustered a Presidential Appointment. Now was not the time to start.
 
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Do you mean other than the former FBI agent saying this? I haven't seen any response by the Saud.
That's not evidence, that's just the claim. You've also not said whether the claim is that he has converted or could have converted (I can't watch the video as I have no working sound here). I see no reason to give an unsupported claim by one individual (whoever he is) any serious credit.
 
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Don't really care what religion is in the discussion but someone who would change religions on the spot might change other allegiances just as suddenly. I think the government likes it's agents to be a bit more predictable.
 
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Don't really care what religion is in the discussion but someone who would change religions on the spot might change other allegiances just as suddenly. I think the government likes it's agents to be a bit more predictable.

Still I think someone would know if there are Cameras in Mecca and Medina. Something that would show him walking in. Someone would snap pictures from a cell-phone or video record such an event. At least that's what I would think.

But again it doesn't matter he still will be confirmed as the Republicans caved.
 
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That's not evidence, that's just the claim. You've also not said whether the claim is that he has converted or could have converted (I can't watch the video as I have no working sound here). I see no reason to give an unsupported claim by one individual (whoever he is) any serious credit.

Well my only question would be why would someone from the FBI lie in the first place? Or make up an allegation knowing that it could be confirmed quite easily. As not all that go to Mecca are Saudi.
 
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Well my only question would be why would someone from the FBI lie in the first place? Or make up an allegation knowing that it could be confirmed quite easily. As not all that go to Mecca are Saudi.

I find it surprising that you place your trust in a former agent of the government. I thought you considered all of our government liars?
 
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It's a poor allegation, one that is desperate. Furthermore, it is foolish for us to deny someone right of appointment because they are a Muslim.
 
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I find it surprising that you place your trust in a former agent of the government. I thought you considered all of our government liars?

It's not that I put trust in him. Which is why I have questioned the story. As I think it is easily proven or disproven. Also Like Fiddy says being a Muslim would not be grounds for stating he could not hold the position.

Moreover from the beginning I have stated this wont matter anyways he still will be confirmed.

Well.....I guess that is one difference you and I have. Myself, I try not to assume chit.
 
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Why does it matter what religion he is?
 
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It's a poor allegation, one that is desperate. Furthermore, it is foolish for us to deny someone right of appointment because they are a Muslim.

Indeed. There is expressly no religious test in the constitution.

Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Yes, that is specifically for Senators and Representatives, but has been interpreted to mean any federal employee.
 
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Well my only question would be why would someone from the FBI lie in the first place? Or make up an allegation knowing that it could be confirmed quite easily. As not all that go to Mecca are Saudi.
The usual reasons I'd suspect - money or power (politics). Of course it's perfectly possible that he's not lying but has been misled or has misinterpreted the facts. Maybe he's not even ex-FBI and the whole this is a fraud. I honestly have no idea. The claims could be entirely true of course, but the fact remains that zero evidence appears to have been presented and unless some is, why should be give such a claim any credit?

Such allegations can't be confirmed or, more significantly, disproved easily. You only need to look at the whole Obama isn't American/is a Muslim debacle to see that and even when such things can be proven wrong to reasonable certainty, many more people tend to hear the accusations that the disproving so the mud sticks.

By the way, I am still unable to view the video and you've still not established what you believe the actual accusation was. I think the difference between "is" and "could be" is hugely significant.
 
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It's a poor allegation, one that is desperate. Furthermore, it is foolish for us to deny someone right of appointment because they are a Muslim.

Depends on what kind of Muslim they are. It isn't like I would want one of those Snake-Handler Baptists in charge of anything either.
 
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The usual reasons I'd suspect - money or power (politics). Of course it's perfectly possible that he's not lying but has been misled or has misinterpreted the facts. Maybe he's not even ex-FBI and the whole this is a fraud. I honestly have no idea. The claims could be entirely true of course, but the fact remains that zero evidence appears to have been presented and unless some is, why should be give such a claim any credit?

Such allegations can't be confirmed or, more significantly, disproved easily. You only need to look at the whole Obama isn't American/is a Muslim debacle to see that and even when such things can be proven wrong to reasonable certainty, many more people tend to hear the accusations that the disproving so the mud sticks.

By the way, I am still unable to view the video and you've still not established what you believe the actual accusation was. I think the difference between "is" and "could be" is hugely significant.

As another mentioned already It was put in the MS Foreign News and like I said Saudi News and TV was reporting it. So that why I posted up the piece. Also as Brennan is about to be confirmed. Note: I don't see any US News media outlets carrying it, either.

Yeah I watched it but even if it was true.....what crime was committed? Other than if Brennan lied about anything in front of some committee. Again I think this would be easily to prove or disprove.

Course this Former FBI agent could just hold some grudge against him.
 
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Depends on what kind of Muslim they are. It isn't like I would want one of those Snake-Handler Baptists in charge of anything either.

I don't know, if we had a snake-handler Baptist as President, it would definitely make the State of the Union speech worth watching!
 
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Depends on what kind of Muslim they are. It isn't like I would want one of those Snake-Handler Baptists in charge of anything either.

Sure, but we are also not so afraid of Bachmann's religious beliefs that it would automatically preclude her from gaining office or committee seats.
 
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As much as this might concern me a bit, as a constitutionalist, I have to say that he has a right to be a muslim and serve in the US Government.
 
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As much as this might concern me a bit, as a constitutionalist, I have to say that he has a right to be a muslim and serve in the US Government.

Ray LaHood did.....so I dont see what the problem is if he became a Muslim, anyways. I just think this guy might have an ax to grind with Brennan.
 
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Ahhh **** a Muslim :scared: Theyve infiltrated us! Ahhh

In all seriousness. Cool. He has every right to convert to Islam if he so pleases.
 
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