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Ron Paul calls on U.N. IP enforcement agency to confiscate his own website

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Ron Paul Calls on United Nations to Confiscate Domain Names of His Supporters

Earlier today, Ron Paul filed an international UDRP complaint against RonPaul.com and RonPaul.org with WIPO, a global governing body that is an agency of the United Nations. The complaint calls on the agency to expropriate the two domain names from his supporters without compensation and hand them over to Ron Paul.

On May 1st, 2008 we launched a grassroots website at RonPaul.com that became one of the most popular resources dedicated exclusively to Ron Paul and his ideas. Like thousands of fellow Ron Paul supporters, we put our lives on hold and invested 5 years of hard work into Ron Paul, RonPaul.com and Ron Paul 2012. Looking back, we are very happy with what we were able to achieve with unlimited enthusiasm and limited financial resources.

Last month, after Ron Paul expressed regret on the Alex Jones show over not owning RonPaul.com (in an interview titled “Ron Paul: The Internet Is Our Last Chance to Awaken America“), dozens of supporters urged us to contact Ron Paul to work out a deal.

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Ron Paul, and his supporters, are a gift that keeps on giving

I mean, how funny is it that a man whose ideology rejects the use of govt force to coerce commerical activity and who thinks the UN is a part of a OWG conspiracy, to ask the UN to force a website to shut down?
 
Ron Paul, and his supporters, are a gift that keeps on giving

I mean, how funny is it that a man whose ideology rejects the use of govt force to coerce commerical activity and who thinks the UN is a part of a OWG conspiracy, to ask the UN to force a website to shut down?

I don't think Paul understands how WIPO works (or the U.N. as a whole, for that matter). I'm sympathetic to some kinds of libertarianism, and occasionally Paul will say something I can agree with, but on the whole I dislike him as an attention whore and a bit of an ignorant demagogue. I'd still probably vote for Rand over any of his competitors, even if I tend to actively dislike him even more than I do Ron.
 
He's gonna become dictator of the UN and conquer everywhere. What happened to 'no foreign bases'. I bet he's got drones.
 
Ron Paul supporters now with no one they can support? Sweet. Maybe a number of them will go back to reading science fiction and play their video games, leaving politics forever.
 
this is a bit misleading..

Ron Paul did indeed file a complaint... to ICANN

ICANN chooses 1 of 4 bodies to coordinate arbitration of the dispute... in this particular case, it's WIPO.

ICANN is a non-profit corporation... and the deal with all sorts of regulatory agencies across the globe....

the thing about it is, the folks who registered the domain names signed on with ICANN ( and thus, WIPO) to arbitrate.... now they are whining about being held to contract they themselves signed on for when they registered the domain names.... and appealing to idiots with the whole " Ron Paul is using the UN to come after us" bs

Ron Paul doesn't have a choice in the matter on who to use ( initially)... the domain name owners signed on with ICANN and that's that.
 
Ron Paul supporters now with no one they can support? Sweet. Maybe a number of them will go back to reading science fiction and play their video games, leaving politics forever.


:roll:... yes.. .the whole diversity of thought/ideology thing doesn't sit well with many.... we know.
 
:roll:... yes.. .the whole diversity of thought/ideology thing doesn't sit well with many.... we know.

When the man peddles conspiracy theories and his supporters have degenerated to little cultists, yes, it doesn't sit too well with me.
 
When the man peddles conspiracy theories and his supporters have degenerated to little cultists, yes, it doesn't sit too well with me other than to laugh at.

you didn't have to expand... I already knew what your opinion was.

I'm not a Ron cultist, but i don't discount his "conspiracy theories" either.... beings that the status quo is a huge pile of ****, I don't think it should be verbotten to get outside of the little mainstream box that has been built by the GOP and Democrats... I do understand that lots of people are uncomfortable with the idea of leaving that lil box, but i'm not.
 
Ron Paul supporters now with no one they can support? Sweet. Maybe a number of them will go back to reading science fiction and play their video games, leaving politics forever.

Yes, because being ignorant and saying dumb crap makes you look brilliant. It's kind of like how you treat current law. It's the law and your opinion and whatever you say is completely invalid. This is when you are talking about the civil rights law of 1964 of all things. I would love to see your argument towards the blacks in 1963. Your opinion is invalid because this is the law. Nationalists never were worth much I suppose.
 
Yes, because being ignorant and saying dumb crap makes you look brilliant. It's kind of like how you treat current law. It's the law and your opinion and whatever you say is completely invalid. This is when you are talking about the civil rights law of 1964 of all things. I would love to see your argument towards the blacks in 1963. Your opinion is invalid because this is the law. Nationalists never were worth much I suppose.

Hi, I am Today. I take it you must be Yesterday. Nice to meet you.
 
Hi, I am Today. I take it you must be Yesterday. Nice to meet you.

Yes, and your argument was still pathetic. Just thought I would remind you that you can't deal with libertarian arguments and also alert you of what your argument actually details.
 
Yes, and your argument was still pathetic. Just thought I would remind you that you can't deal with libertarian arguments and also alert you of what your argument actually details.

I sidestepped an unnecessary discussion. Any attempt you or I would have in explaining the justification for the Act, we would be unable to justify it to you. As it is a crucial link to removing institutionalized segregation (which we see as a moral and just cause), force is the only option left to deal with stragglers.
 
I sidestepped an unnecessary discussion. Any attempt you or I would have in explaining the justification for the Act, we would be unable to justify it to you. As it is a crucial link to removing institutionalized segregation (which we see as a moral and just cause), force is the only option left to deal with stragglers.

Yes, and you sidestepped it by the absurdly stupid argument that the law is the law and any sort of disagreement is entirely erroneous at its foundation. Of course if that was the case nothing would ever change and there would never be a reason for such change. As for your argument here, you should have made that yesterday, but alas, its rather weak since its assumed by the right itself this is a condition of it. In fact, like I told you yesterday that is a large part of the point of private property.
 
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this is a bit misleading..

Ron Paul did indeed file a complaint... to ICANN

ICANN chooses 1 of 4 bodies to coordinate arbitration of the dispute... in this particular case, it's WIPO.

ICANN is a non-profit corporation... and the deal with all sorts of regulatory agencies across the globe....

the thing about it is, the folks who registered the domain names signed on with ICANN ( and thus, WIPO) to arbitrate.... now they are whining about being held to contract they themselves signed on for when they registered the domain names.... and appealing to idiots with the whole " Ron Paul is using the UN to come after us" bs

Ron Paul doesn't have a choice in the matter on who to use ( initially)... the domain name owners signed on with ICANN and that's that.

OK, RP isn't appealing to the UN for help; He's appealing to a govt created commercial entity AKA a corporation
 
Wait...Libertarians want to be taken seriously??? They expect the media to play nice with them while Ron Paul asks for government intervention to shut down a website with his name on it. A website that he wants back???

And libertarians are arguing about the substance of the bias/misrepresentation in the article??? HAHAHA!!!! How about you guys, apologize for all the crap that you have pulled over the past year, and then we will start to take you seriously. (maybe)

I'm not going to hold my breath!
 
I find it amusing how 90% of you never read into this story. If you had you would see it is no big deal. He doesn't want the site, just the domain name. He could have gone about it differently but it is hardly censorship. He must use ICANN which is a private non-profit, for the process. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your e-peens.
 
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I'd still probably vote for Rand over any of his competitors, even if I tend to actively dislike him even more than I do Ron.

hmm, didn't see that one coming
 
How about you guys, apologize for all the crap that you have pulled over the past year, and then we will start to take you seriously. (maybe)

What have libertarians pulled over the past year that you have such a problem with?
 
Ron Paul once said the UN has no authority and the US has no business being a part of it. Many libertarian followers feel the same way. So why would he want to use a UN Group to help him obtain a website? The hypocrisy is never ending with these people!!!! And no ICANN has nothing to do with this lawsuit. ICANN is mainly responsible for IP Addresses. Once again, libertarians making crap up!
 
If Ron Paul thinks that the site "ronpaul.com" is using his name and likeness to trick people into thinking it's an official website, even if subtly so, he is within his rights to contest the domain name. Misuse of someone's name is fraud. In this case, it's definitely debatable, which is why WIPO is involved.

Also, the owner of ronpaul.com entered into a contract with a domain name registration service, one which particularly requires compliance with ICANN rules and which outlines the course of conflict resolution. Again, in the case where two parties are not in agreement and there is a written set of rules, third party arbitration is key.

So how else would Ron go about this domain name dispute? The local authorities? WIPO happens to be the third party and also happens to be part of the UN. People treat that like he is a hypocrite when WIPO has nothing to do with other UN business, just internet domains which are WORLDWIDE. I wouldn't want people profiting from my name either, or possibly going off and posting things I don't truly agree with, which could happen. If the site were related to Ron Paul the plumber, he would have no case. Since the site uses his political views and name , he now has a case. I think they should have hashed it out in private because now there are many disingenuous reports about the subject with varying negative viewpoints. In my opinion it is a non-issue since he has no other avenue to dispute the domain other than WIPO and they happen to use ICANN rules since ICANN started WIPO.

Of course the Liberty movement haters are going to jump on this and try to slander the whole thing to put Ron and libertarians in a bad light, that part was expected and is why I think it was a bad move on Ron's part.

Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I find it amusing how 90% of you never read into this story. If you had you would see it is no big deal. He doesn't want the site, just the domain name. He could have gone about it differently but it is hardly censorship. He must use ICANN which is a private non-profit, for the process. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your e-peens.

A true libertarian would not want to be dependent on the govt and ask it to use force to take a possession (the domain name) from its' rightful owner.
 
A true libertarian would not want to be dependent on the govt and ask it to use force to take a possession (the domain name) from its' rightful owner.

And anyone who reads anything you post realizes you live in your own little world. Try growing up and maybe I will take you seriously.
 
If Ron Paul thinks that the site "ronpaul.com" is using his name and likeness to trick people into thinking it's an official website, even if subtly so, he is within his rights to contest the domain name. Misuse of someone's name is fraud. In this case, it's definitely debatable, which is why WIPO is involved.

Also, the owner of ronpaul.com entered into a contract with a domain name registration service, one which particularly requires compliance with ICANN rules and which outlines the course of conflict resolution. Again, in the case where two parties are not in agreement and there is a written set of rules, third party arbitration is key.

So how else would Ron go about this domain name dispute? The local authorities? WIPO happens to be the third party and also happens to be part of the UN. People treat that like he is a hypocrite when WIPO has nothing to do with other UN business, just internet domains which are WORLDWIDE. I wouldn't want people profiting from my name either, or possibly going off and posting things I don't truly agree with, which could happen. If the site were related to Ron Paul the plumber, he would have no case. Since the site uses his political views and name , he now has a case. I think they should have hashed it out in private because now there are many disingenuous reports about the subject with varying negative viewpoints. In my opinion it is a non-issue since he has no other avenue to dispute the domain other than WIPO and they happen to use ICANN rules since ICANN started WIPO.

Of course the Liberty movement haters are going to jump on this and try to slander the whole thing to put Ron and libertarians in a bad light, that part was expected and is why I think it was a bad move on Ron's part.

Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You honestly don't see how hypocritical this is???
 
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