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DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition

ChezC3

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Re: A 30 Year War With Whom Exactly?

WW3 maybe. I don't usually buy into conspiracy stuff, but I've been hearing a lot of disturbing things lately from people who are usually pretty level-headed. Not sure how much credence to put in it, but it makes you wonder what might be just over the horizon and coming fast.
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't usually consider Infowars as my goto for reliable information, considering it a quasi-news source. That being said, there are sufficient reliable links in the article below to warrant a further investigation. The links do provide enough provocation to ask the question -- Why is the Dept of Homeland buying enougn bullets to sustain a 30 year war?

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Where is that number coming from?
 
Re: A 30 Year War With Whom Exactly?

Someone showed me this.....

The writer of the eRumor also alleged that the DHS is raising an army and ordered billions of rounds of ammunition. The DHS oversees agencies that conduct law enforcement, military missions, and immigration enforcement. The U.S. Secret Service, the intelligence agency that was originally under the Department of the Treasury has the responsibility of protecting the President and dignitaries. This agency has been under the blanket of the DHS since March 1, 2003. One agency under the DHS that could be considered to be a major user of weapons and ammunition is the United States Coast Guard.

The United States Coast Guard (USCG) is on loan to the DHS from the Department of Defense and has enough fire power to protect U.S. ports, chase and apprehend pirates and smugglers and assist in the protection of our military assets and facilities in the Persian Gulf.

The USCG lists 212 aircraft, various vessels ranging in boats from 18 feet to 47 feet along with a fleet of cutters ranging from 65 feet to 179 feet. The USCG also performs search and rescue for mariners in peril on the water.

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The USCG H-65 Dolphin helicopter in the photo above is usually armed with Single 7.62mm M240B/H machine gun, a 7.62mm shoulder-fired precision weapon and a .50-caliber shoulder-fired precision weapon.

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USCG Cutter Stratton pictured above is one of the newest ships in the fleet can carry USCG Helicopters and has an armament of 57mm Bofors Gun, 1 Phalanx, a CIWS 1B 20mm, four 50 caliber machine guns, as well as two M240B light machine guns. The cutter is also capable of launching 25 Foot Defender Class Boats with gun mounts both forward and aft.

Other agencies under the DHS, according to their organizational chart, are U.S. Customs & Boarder Protection, U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services, U.S. Immigrations & Customs Enforcement, U.S. Secret Service, and Transportation Security Administration. Each agency has members who carry and are trained to use weapons.

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The High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWV or "Humvee") are real and some agencies receive training on these armored vehicles designated for Special Response Teams by the DHS. The above photo shows members of U.S. Immigrations & Customs Enforcement in a special training exercise involving armored vehicles.

Also, FEMA is the training agency for first responders from the local level to agencies under the DHS. So that all agencies speak the same language at the scene of a disaster the Incident Command System was developed for all levels of government as well as private sector and by many nongovernmental organizations......snip~

FEMA Corps Team Members Are the Modern Day Hitler Youth-Fiction!

Although this would not explain the buying of Hollow Point Ammunition. As No Agency I know of is using Hollow-points as Standard Issue.
 
Is this why the price of ammo has skyrocketed lately? Jeezus Christ, wth?
 
Social Security Administration says hollow point bullets necessary for staff's safety.....

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The US Social Security Administration wants Americans to know that they are concerned with the safety of their workers. That is why, they now say, they’ve ordered 174,000 rounds of lethal hollow-point bullets.

Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately,” a blog post from the SSA office explains. “They not only investigate allegations of Social Security fraud, but they also are called to respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.

Days after the SSA published a solicitation online for a lot of .357 Duty Carry Sig 125 grain bonded JHP hollow point bullets, the agency says there is nothing especially unusual about their request.

“[O]ur office has criminal investigators, or special agents, who are responsible for investigating violations of the laws that govern SSA’s programs,” the agency explains in the post, published on Thursday. “Currently, about 295 special agents and supervisory special agents work in 66 offices across the United States.These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests.”

Responding to the large request of 174,00 rounds, an administrator on the SSA blog writes, “this is a routine procurement that we typically make every fiscal year.”

“We have about 295 criminal investigators who must qualify with a firearm four times per year.If each investigator uses 150 rounds per qualification, then we would need 177,000 rounds per year.This number can vary based on the total number of agents, and any type of specialized training we might undertake. “.....snip~

Social Security Administration says hollow point bullets necessary for staff's safety — RT
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't usually consider Infowars as my goto for reliable information, considering it a quasi-news source. That being said, there are sufficient reliable links in the article below to warrant a further investigation. The links do provide enough provocation to ask the question -- Why is the Dept of Homeland buying enougn bullets to sustain a 30 year war?

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Assuming this is true, just for ****s and giggles, that's really not a lot of ammunition, and like every other armed branch of government, they use many different firearms which require many different calibers of ammunition. The most likely answer is that they're replenishing their stock from the last fiscal year, while making sure they stay supplied for at least the next fiscal year. 21.6 million rounds of ammunition won't sustain a two year war, let alone a thirty year war. For the US WWII lasted roughly 4 years, and according to Lt. Gen. Levin H. Campbell, Jr., Chief of Ordnance from 1942 to 1946, we expended 47 billion rounds of small arms ammunition. Only 21.6 million rounds for a 30 year war? Get real. My unit alone went through at least half a million rounds a year just for training.
 
Surtr said:
Assuming this is true, just for ****s and giggles, that's really not a lot of ammunition, and like every other armed branch of government, they use many different firearms which require many different calibers of ammunition. The most likely answer is that they're replenishing their stock from the last fiscal year, while making sure they stay supplied for at least the next fiscal year. 21.6 million rounds of ammunition won't sustain a two year war, let alone a thirty year war. For the US WWII lasted roughly 4 years, and according to Lt. Gen. Levin H. Campbell, Jr., Chief of Ordnance from 1942 to 1946, we expended 47 billion rounds of small arms ammunition. Only 21.6 million rounds for a 30 year war? Get real. My unit alone went through at least half a million rounds a year just for training.
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it was considered along with previous purchases, not just the 21.6 million.
 
They're planning to fight a thirty year war with pistols. OooooooooooooooooooooK
 
ChezC3 said:
it was considered along with previous purchases, not just the 21.6 million.
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1.8 billion rounds still isn't enough to sustain a 30 year war. Not by a long shot.

You also have to consider what falls under DHS. Customs and Border Protection, ICE, US Secret Service, and the US Coast Guard. I can tell you right now that the USCG is going to get the largest portion of that ammunition, simply because they're a deployable branch of the US Military. This is just huff and puff over nothing, brought to the viewing public by a known liar that constantly distorts the truth to get attention, and keep his demographic base of paranoid conspiracy types.
 
Manc Skipper said:
They're planning to fight a thirty year war with pistols. OooooooooooooooooooooK
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Well, they expect the general population to do so...and not more than 10 rounds at a time.
 
Surtr said:
1.8 billion rounds still isn't enough to sustain a 30 year war. Not by a long shot.

You also have to consider what falls under DHS. Customs and Border Protection, ICE, US Secret Service, and the US Coast Guard. I can tell you right now that the USCG is going to get the largest portion of that ammunition, simply because they're a deployable branch of the US Military. This is just huff and puff over nothing, brought to the viewing public by a known liar that constantly distorts the truth to get attention, and keep his demographic base of paranoid conspiracy types.
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I'm not the one who made the assertion only relayed it. However, that being said. what do we have billions of rounds on hand for exactly? What does this billion contribute to stockpiles already held? Billions of rounds for target practice? Hollow-points at that?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but all of these particulars don't add up. That I guess is the fertilizer for conspiracies, but it still leaves unanswered questions. Ignoring those questions or what's worse giving half hearted explanations doesn't put any fears to rest.
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't usually consider Infowars as my goto for reliable information, considering it a quasi-news source. That being said, there are sufficient reliable links in the article below to warrant a further investigation. The links do provide enough provocation to ask the question -- Why is the Dept of Homeland buying enougn bullets to sustain a 30 year war?

» DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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about a year ago lots of that overrun was for Sale, Winchester Ranger 40 in 135 grain JHP DHS rounds. Its what I use in my main "car gun" and the Beretta Storm 40 Cal carbine I keep in the basement. great stuff
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm not the one who made the assertion only relayed it. However, that being said. what do we have billions of rounds on hand for exactly? What does this billion contribute to stockpiles already held? Billions of rounds for target practice? Hollow-points at that?
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The message is coming from a loon. And yes, a lot of rounds are used up in "target practice". You may not recognize how important regular training is, but thankfully, the uniformed services and DHS do. If they're going to fire hollow points in the field, they better use hollow points on the range. The ballistics of FMJ and JHP are very different on account of a huge gaping cup in the front bit of JHP rounds. You don't even know how many rounds are JHP, how many are FMJ, how many are rifle rounds, shotgun rounds and slugs. How many are rounds for the USCG anti-ship munitions? How many of these rounds are blanks, or paintball rounds for live fire training? You don't know, do you? But you're so certain that "something" is awry without any shred of evidence to back your baseless suspicion.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but all of these particulars don't add up. That I guess is the fertilizer for conspiracies, but it still leaves unanswered questions. Ignoring those questions or what's worse giving half hearted explanations doesn't put any fears to rest.
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Ask DHS then. I gave you answers based on knowledge, research, and real experience. If you want to ignore that, then stop wasting my time.
 
Surtr said:
The message is coming from a loon. And yes, a lot of rounds are used up in "target practice". You may not recognize how important regular training is, but thankfully, the uniformed services and DHS do. If they're going to fire hollow points in the field, they better use hollow points on the range. The ballistics of FMJ and JHP are very different on account of a huge gaping cup in the front bit of JHP rounds. You don't even know how many rounds are JHP, how many are FMJ, how many are rifle rounds, shotgun rounds and slugs. How many are rounds for the USCG anti-ship munitions? How many of these rounds are blanks, or paintball rounds for live fire training? You don't know, do you? But you're so certain that "something" is awry without any shred of evidence to back your baseless suspicion.


Ask DHS then. I gave you answers based on knowledge, research, and real experience. If you want to ignore that, then stop wasting my time.
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Well, quickly to respond -- the article did breakdown quantity by calibre.

Second, you know my background as much as I know yours, keep your assumptions to a minimum.

and thirdly, I'd advise you to look to yourself for time management issues, I didn't put a gun to your head to respond to me, did I?

No, so on that, I'll say good day.
 
ChezC3 said:
Well, quickly to respond -- the article did breakdown quantity by calibre.
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Yes, for the 21.6 million, not the 1.6 billion it's adding on to. There's also a 1.6 million unaccounted for, since they only stated 10 mil in 40, and 10 mil in 9mm.

Second, you know my background as much as I know yours, keep your assumptions to a minimum.
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Well do share. My background is openly displayed, and experience available to anyone who asks.

and thirdly, I'd advise you to look to yourself for time management issues, I didn't put a gun to your head to respond to me, did I?
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I answered your question, and you dismissed it because you'd rather listen to a known liar. I'd advise you to actually think about the nonsense you're presenting.
 
When they order 22 million new body bags I will take notice, otherwise,.......
 
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