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Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Site

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PirateMk1 said:
War is the absence of rules. Thats what happens when wars are started.
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That is not a very good definition of war at all.

War has many rules.

The absence of rules is chaos.
 
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Harshaw said:
That is not a very good definition of war at all.

War has many rules.

The absence of rules is chaos.
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War has no rules by its very nature. As for the players that decide to play by rules they are only limiting their ability to fight. Rules in war simply makes no sense and to wage war in such a way is idiotic.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
The government has continued to erode our rights, especially regarding our right to trial. I'm glad someone has the balls to stand up to them, because most of us don't.



When nearly every politician is this way, that's not really an option. Everybody makes big campaign promises and then when they're elected just does whatever they want. Those who actually are trying to do the right thing are stonewalled.

But hey, next time you're at the ballot box, be sure to pat yourself on the back for how much you're fighting government corruption by picking the right candidates.
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Even if it were "noble" to release the information, that's not what they're doing.

The noble thing, if it were, would be just to release them.

But here they're saying they won't release them if the government gives them what they want.

They aren't "exposing" anything. They're extorting, period. This is no different than planting a bomb.
 
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Moot said:
The FBI has a different interpretation of a terrorist....

FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005

Of course they do...:spin:


Anonymous declared war on the US government. That kinda qualifies them as an enemey of the state doesn't it?

Anonymous Declares War On U.S Government - YouTube

For years, the US government didn't take Al Qaeda seriously after they declared war on the US. Do you really think the US govenment is going to make that same mistake again?
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Yes, yes, they hate us for our freedom...:doh

Any 'mistakes' will depend on what additional liberties can be stripped from the American people as a result...
 
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Excon said:
If it ain't the Government withholding information, it is the Hacktivists. :doh
Apparently they aren't any better that the Government. I wonder if they see their own hypocrisy?


“The contents are various and we won’t ruin the speculation by revealing them. Suffice it to say, everyone has secrets, and some things are not meant to be public. At a regular interval commencing today, we will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents of the file. Any media outlets wishing to be eligible for this program must include within their reporting a means of secure communications.”​
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Yeah, they claim to be against censorship and then proceed to censor whoever or whatever their beef of the week is by trying to shut them down and steal their secrets for blackmail. Threatening the US government is serious business and not a video game to play with in some parents basement.
 
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Henrin said:
Which is war. As for the players that decide to play by rules they are only limiting their ability to fight. Rules in war simply makes no sense.
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I'm hardly referring to anything so grandiose as "laws of warfare." War is not chaos. You need order to conduct a war. Else it simply becomes a free-for-all, which is not a war.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
War is the absence of rules. Thats what happens when wars are started.
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No, and in fact there have been rules at some level for war for hundreds if years.
 
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Henrin said:
War has no rules by its very nature. As for the players that decide to play by rules they are only limiting their ability to fight. Rules in war simply makes no sense and to wage war in such a way is idiotic.
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This is simply false and historically ignorant. What rules, both formal and Informal, that exist in war are there since the benefit both sides.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Yes, yes, they hate us for our freedom...:doh

Any 'mistakes' will depend on what additional liberties can be stripped from the American people as a result...
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It's always been against the law to commit treason. So don't worry about being stripped of a right you never had.
 
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Redress said:
This is simply false and historically ignorant. What rules, both formal and Informal, that exist in war are there since the benefit both sides.
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What do you think happens when you find an opponent that doesn't care for your rules, but instead is aware of them and takes advantage of them? Want to know? It's called losing.
 
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HonestJoe said:
In my partial defence, I first used the phrase "practically terrorism" and others seem to have only picked up on the second word.

That said, I don't entirely agree with your definitions. Terrorism can still constitute an attack against government, politicians even soldiers (outside combat zones), not just "innocents". The key point in this context is that it is an attack or threat used to force a change in policy.

Freedom fighters are people fighting for freedom. They may commit terrorism or they may not. The terms aren't mutually exclusive.

What Anonymous in this case seem to be doing it stating that they have some damaging information and have threatened to release it if government doesn’t implement the policies they're demanding. They've not stated what the information is or who it entails though they have referred to "collateral damage", suggesting some "innocents" could be harmed by the release too.

To my mind, it is only the lack of actual physical threats that differentiates their actions from the literal definition of terrorism and, in context, I don't think the distinction is all that significant. That somewhat depends on the nature of the information of course.

To be honest, the word terrorism is something of a distraction here. The word blackmail most certainly does apply, that is most certainly a criminal act and whether you agree with the aims of the blackmail doesn't change that one jot.
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Well, this is an exercise in semantics I'll admit, I offered my take on the distiction based on my exasperation with the overkill in word usage.

I live in Chicago, where I can make a strong case for the words 'Mayor' and 'terrorist' to be viewed as synonyms...

it's all subjective...:twocents:
 
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Moot said:
It's always been against the law to commit treason. So don't worry about being stripped of a right you never had.
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So when are we rounding up the politicians?
 
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Henrin said:
What do you think happens when you find an opponent that doesn't care for your rules, but instead is aware of them and takes advantage of them? Want to know? It's called losing.
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Two recent examples. First is Vietnam, where the end result of one side not following the rules was a prize barely worth winning. Second is Iraq, where it completely backfired, generating more support for the US than they would have had. It is a strategy of desperation, and even when it works, the damage done usually outweighs the benefit.
 
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Harshaw said:
That is not a very good definition of war at all.

War has many rules.

The absence of rules is chaos.
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Excactly my point war IS choas. If you ever become involved personally in one you will understand. People like to think there are rules. It keeps them comfy at night I suppose.
 
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Redress said:
Two recent examples. First is Vietnam, where the end result of one side not following the rules was a prize barely worth winning. Second is Iraq, where it completely backfired, generating more support for the US than they would have had. It is a strategy of desperation, and even when it works, the damage done usually outweighs the benefit.
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Yeah, and in both cases we lost :D

Now think of what would happen if our opponents are of equal strength. Can anyone say ass kicking?

The only thing that saves us from our retardation is that we stronger than everyone else.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Excactly my point war IS choas. If you ever become involved personally in one you will understand. People like to think there are rules. It keeps them comfy at night I suppose.
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Uncertainty. the fog of war, and plans failing are not "chaos."
 
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Henrin said:
Yeah, and in both cases we lost :D

Now think of what would happen if our opponents are of equal strength. Can anyone say ass kicking?

The only thing that saves us from our retardation is that we stronger than everyone else.
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Do you think we are stronger than everyone else by accident?
 
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Harshaw said:
Do you think we are stronger than everyone else by accident?
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Spending on war can get you a lot of good stuff to play with.
 
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Redress said:
No, and in fact there have been rules at some level for war for hundreds if years.
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Really? Total war as been waged since the dawn of man in some degree or another.

Chaos is the canvas which the art of war is waged.
 
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Henrin said:
Yeah, and in both cases we lost :D

Now think of what would happen if our opponents are of equal strength. Can anyone say ass kicking?

The only thing that saves us from our retardation is that we stronger than everyone else.
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We won in Iraq, and largely due to the other side not playing by any rules. While we lost in Vietnam, the North Vietnamese gained almost nothing in relation to their cost, again in large part due to their not following any rules.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Really? Total war as been waged since the dawn of man in some degree or another.

Chaos is the canvas which the art of war is waged.
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Rules in war have existed at last since the middle ages. Good lord read up on history...
 
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Henrin said:
Spending on war can get you a lot of good stuff to play with.
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It isn't the toys.

It's the training. And the tradition. And the discipline. You know, order.

If we gave the Navy to Mexico, it'd be on the bottom of the ocean by next year.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Really? Total war as been waged since the dawn of man in some degree or another.
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Total war is almost never chaotic. I think you may simply not quite get what "chaos" is.
 
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Harshaw said:
Uncertainty. the fog of war, and plans failing are not "chaos."
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Life IS uncertainty. War is chaos masquerading as "fog" and "failure". The best laid plans of mice and men.
 
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I don't like the illegal actions of hacktivists. I don't care who they are exposing, it's wrong and they should be brought to justice. It's not their place to hack government sites to impose their version of vigilante justice.
 
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