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Anonymous Threatens Massive WikiLeaks-Style Exposure, Announced On Hacked Gov Site

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OpportunityCost said:
Until they show the balls to go after China with all the dirty laundry they have, they are just cowards going after a target they know they can hit to look good.

Selective activism is little better than selective outrage and thats about what this is.
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Anonymous are mostly Americans, not Chinese.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its a game...until you get caught. Believe in your cause...hack away. Just dont be shocked when there are consequences to your actions. Funny how they claim Aaron Schwartz was 'killed'...'murdered'. No...Aaron Schwartz was 'caught' and he didnt think it was fair that their should be consequences, so he killed himself. Brad Manning was 'caught' and he doesnt like the consequences. Thats the gig...play the game, but dont be shocked when the other guys have people ALSO trained to play the game.
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The good news out of this is that more and more, they are being caught. The sad part is that some people keep trying to promote common criminals into the realm of heroes.
 
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Redress said:
The good news out of this is that more and more, they are being caught. The sad part is that some people keep trying to promote common criminals into the realm of heroes.
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Its always fun and games...til one of those 'hackers' attacks you, or launches a virus, or impacts your small business...
 
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HonestJoe said:
So anything goes as long as you get what they want? Maybe Anonymous should start paying bribes, kidnapping politicians families or blowing up buildings?
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They aren't the US government.
 
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Redress said:
The good news out of this is that more and more, they are being caught. The sad part is that some people keep trying to promote common criminals into the realm of heroes.
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Even worse they inspire intrusive measures that might not otherwise ever be authorized or placed into law.
 
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VanceMack said:
Its always fun and games...til one of those 'hackers' attacks you, or launches a virus, or impacts your small business...
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And they are just stealing your credit card number to teach you a lesson about security, not for their personal profit....
 
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HonestJoe said:
Pretty much all terrorists think they have a just cause - it's what drives them to such extreme actions. Sometimes, in principal, they do have a just cause. That doesn't stop them being terrorists and doesn't stop their terrorism being wrong.
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Terrorists directly target civilians. While one may argue that some civilians may be in danger by their actions, they are not being directly targeted, therefore Anonymous is NOT a terrorist group.
 
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Geoist said:
Terrorists directly target civilians. While one may argue that some civilians may be in danger by their actions, they are not being directly targeted, therefore Anonymous is NOT a terrorist group.
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You have an odd definition of "civilian" Here are some of the "non-civilian" groups Anonymous has targeted just since 2010:

Oregon Tea Party
Aiplex Software
Sony
Amazon
PayPal
Mastercard
Visa
PostFinance
Fine Gael
HBGary Federal
Westborough Baptist Church
Koch Industries
Bank Of America
Facebook
UMG
Warner Brothers Music
The Vatican
Symatec/Norton
Formula One
 
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Geoist said:
Anonymous are mostly Americans, not Chinese.
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My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.
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Thats cuz if they targeted some other countries, their secret service agencies tend to make people get disappeared.
 
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ChezC3 said:
I really believe it an injustice to the victims of terrorism that the use of the word terrorist and terrorism is thrown about in such a cavalier manner

A terrorist is a person or group of people who attack innocent mon-involved people and/or non-specific/involved locations to bring about a change in governmental or organizational policy

A freedom fighter(s) is/are a person or group of people who attack specific and involved people and/ or locations to bring about a change in governmental or organizational policy.

If Anonymous were to hack the bank records and emails of individuals who have no involvement in governmental or economic decision making and spray them all over the web demanding resolutions be made that coincide with their agenda and that forfeiture to do so will result in more invasions of privacy on people who have no relation to the subject matter -- than you can call them terrorists.
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The FBI has a different interpretation of a terrorist....

FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005

If Anonymous -- like they've done -- hack into governmental and corporate websites, files, etc. etc. and individuals who are involved with the decision making of these governmental and economic policies and in doing so are demanding so sort of change as they'd like to see it, these individuals or groups of individuals must not be viewed as terrorists. They may be viewed as freedom fighters if you argree with their agenda or they can be considered hostiles. They aren't attacking the innocent they are attacking a specific target or groups of targets who directly can afffect the outcome they so desire.

That is the difference.
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Anonymous declared war on the US government. That kinda qualifies them as an enemey of the state doesn't it?

Anonymous Declares War On U.S Government - YouTube

For years, the US government didn't take Al Qaeda seriously after they declared war on the US. Do you really think the US govenment is going to make that same mistake again?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
My point is, it always seems to be time to target the US as corrupt and having dirty secrets. There are worse places out there. The US is a target of opportunity, not principle.
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As Americans, we are naturally more concerned about what the US government is doing compared to any other government. Why? Because our government directly impacts us while the Chinese government doesn't.

But if it makes you feel any better, Anonymous has an operation to shut down Syrian government websites.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
If they're pushing for something that a person doesn't agree with, of course they won't support it.
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Of course, but my point is that they'd be condemning the means, blackmail and cyber-attacks, as well as (or maybe even instead of) the aims. If the means are legitimate for aims you support, they're legitimate for aims you don't. If you say it's OK for Anonymous to blackmail politicians with stolen information, you're saying it's OK for anyone to blackmail politicians with stolen information.

RabidAlpaca said:
Wikileaks exposed war crimes, and I'm sure you were screaming the same terrorist BS you are now, right along with our politicians.
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No as it happens, though Wikileaks is an entirely different concept and I don't think relevant to this discussion.
 
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HonestJoe said:
Of course, but my point is that they'd be condemning the means, blackmail and cyber-attacks, as well as (or maybe even instead of) the aims. If the means are legitimate for aims you support, they're legitimate for aims you don't. If you say it's OK for Anonymous to blackmail politicians with stolen information, you're saying it's OK for anyone to blackmail politicians with stolen information.
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That's not at all what it's saying. I don't know anybody who says an acceptable means of dealing with one thing is an acceptable means of dealing with EVERYTHING. It's acceptable for someone to kill someone in self defense, it's not acceptable to kill someone because they don't like them. It's acceptable for the US to step in to prevent mass genocide, it's not acceptable for them to invade a country for oil. The reasoning behind it always comes into play as to whether a means is justified.

HonestJoe said:
No as it happens, though Wikileaks is an entirely different concept and I don't think relevant to this discussion.
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I think it's very similar. The government wants to control the flow of information, in every facet, especially the internet, and some people are standing up to them. Simple as that.

VanceMack said:
Thats cuz if they targeted some other countries, their secret service agencies tend to make people get disappeared.
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Do you really believe our government doesn't make people disappear? Hell, even Obama's drones turn the inhabitants of an entire street corner into a fine pink mist. Abracadabra, he's a magician.
 
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If it ain't the Government withholding information, it is the Hacktivists. :doh
Apparently they aren't any better that the Government. I wonder if they see their own hypocrisy?


“The contents are various and we won’t ruin the speculation by revealing them. Suffice it to say, everyone has secrets, and some things are not meant to be public. At a regular interval commencing today, we will choose one media outlet and supply them with heavily redacted partial contents of the file. Any media outlets wishing to be eligible for this program must include within their reporting a means of secure communications.”​
 
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Anybody else notice the article the OP shared with us was dated the 26th? What are the updates to this? Was there a deadline to their demands? Any response from govt officials?
 
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It appears that the secrets will come a cost: Anonymous claims that there will be “collateral damage” if they are reluctantly forced to expose the information, presumably related to individuals who they think are associated with, but responsible for, the offensive laws.
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"Reluctantly forced to expose the information"?

Like an abusive husband is reluctantly forced to hit his wife because she STILL leaves her top button undone.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
It's a worldwide organization. And did you really just suggest that the US government doesn't make people disappear who they label as terrorists?

Good thing our American constitutional freedoms give them the power to hack the government and release files. That must be why they're so attracted to America. What a sheltered world you must live in.
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lol? Was that serious? How sheltered you must be...
 
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Harshaw said:
"Reluctantly forced to expose the information"?

Like an abusive husband is reluctantly forced to hit his wife because she STILL leaves her top button undone.
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As that information is supposedly going to be "partial contents" that are "heavily redacted".
So, I have to ask; What information?
 
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HonestJoe said:
So anything goes as long as you get what they want? Maybe Anonymous should start paying bribes, kidnapping politicians families or blowing up buildings? After all, they'd still be your "freedom fighters".
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War is the absence of rules. Thats what happens when wars are started.
 
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HonestJoe said:
It wouldn't be, but since nobody seems to be doing that, I don't see the relevance. If Anonymous did have evidence of war crimes and atrocities but was sitting on that evidence for their own political ends, it would make their actions worse, not better. I suspect their information involves much more mundane, personal indiscretions though. It's still blackmail though and thus still a criminal act. Two wrongs don't make a right.

My point is that people are supporting, even promoting blackmail and cyber-attacks because they agree strongly with the stated cause. Nothing here suggests they wouldn't support the other means I suggested for the same cause.

Again, if some people were doing exactly the same thing but with the intention of pushing the policy in the opposite direction, all these supporters would be joining me in condemning these criminal acts. It's that hypocracy that I object to.
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Actually I would say that the security on their sysytems need to be beefed up.
 
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