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Limbaugh: It’s Up To Me And Fox News To Stop Amnesty

Real liberals, including me, have been speaking up on all these issues, even during the Obama administration, and filing lawsuits etc. through the AClU and other organizations. Part of the problem is that there are only a handful of real liberals holding office in the Congress or Senate.

The wishy washy moderate, almost-liberals (most Democrats holding federal office) have been quiet for two reasons:
1. They fear losing their power by being perceived as too radical.

2. Stategically they think it is unwise to criticize an administration that is far better than the Republican alternative because it will only help those who will be even worse on these issues. That is certainly not an unreasonable choice, especially during election years since, for example, there was zero evidence that Romney would be better on any of the issues you mentioned and he would probably be worse.

Disingenuous at best.

You folks railed about Bush and the Constitution when it came to the Patriot Act.

Obama puts the Patriot Act on steroids, and all he or any President need do is call either one of us a terrorist, and they can put us in jail with no charges for as long as they want, and execute us at their leisure, on the President's word alone.

Doesn't GET more fascist than that, does it?

The Liberal response?

Deafening silence.............
 
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[3][4][5][6][7]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[8] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with democracy and/or republicanism and the rule of law.


So please explain to me how what's printed in red can be reconciled with Obama imprisoning and killing people based on his word alone, without judicial review.....?

The left controls the language so of course they will call themselves 'liberal' even when they are obviously not. In that vein they also distorted history to say that the Republicans were the racist when it was always the Democrats.

It's all very Orwellian.
 
there was zero evidence that Romney would be better on any of the issues you mentioned and he would probably be worse.

Do you still believe that? Seriously?

Maybe in a year or two you'll realize what happened and how the American people blew it.
 
Context sure helps. I wish it was more popular.

I consider Limbaugh to be a huge bag of wind but the bolded portion is correct. Add to that the Republicans slow dawning of the necessity of agreeing if they want to remain politically rlevant. So, it's a done deal and all that is being worked on are the details and how to funnel some profits to the connected ones overseeing this.

For English press 2.

This is how wars are fought now. Not by traditional means of declarations, men versus men, superior numbers or weapons, but greater numbers of people simply entering a country, legally or illegally, and effecting electoral system so much that all political parties must agree, on some levels, to their demands.

The same thing is happening in Europe with Muslims. They to must cater to the Muslims vote just like American politicians must cater to the Hispanic vote.

It makes the use of superior weapons obsolete and also sucks dry the financial structure of the host country. The Latinos who were celebrating with their own Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo were just telling it like it is, just as American students were barred from wearing the US flag on that same day. Their confidence is growing while the American people continue to questions themselves.
 
Yes, there is much truth to your assertion.

We took large parts of our nation away from Mexico by force. Now, they are gradually re-occupying their country.

We have made no real efforts to stop this. Every place you call offers Spanish (press 2). Why? Because the businesses that utilize this labor have bribed our leaders to allow this so they can get cheap, hard working labor. Illegal immigration could be stopped cold if all banks, employers, government services etc. were denied without proof of citizenship. This obviously is not being done due to Corporate greed.

Republicans have contributed at least as much, or more, to this situation. So, to then vociferously object is not only disingenuous, it is foolish. Why would you invite someone into your home and then complain about them being in your home? Self-destructive behavior, all in the name of Mammon. If the GOP ever figures this out, they will have a chance to recover.



This is how wars are fought now. Not by traditional means of declarations, men versus men, superior numbers or weapons, but greater numbers of people simply entering a country, legally or illegally, and effecting electoral system so much that all political parties must agree, on some levels, to their demands.

The same thing is happening in Europe with Muslims. They to must cater to the Muslims vote just like American politicians must cater to the Hispanic vote.

It makes the use of superior weapons obsolete and also sucks dry the financial structure of the host country. The Latinos who were celebrating with their own Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo were just telling it like it is, just as American students were barred from wearing the US flag on that same day. Their confidence is growing while the American people continue to questions themselves.
 
Actually I wish Limbaugh and others of his ilk like Hannity, Coulter, Buchanan, O'Reilly and Beck were on a special channel beamed into every TV set in America 24/7/365 in a six hour block which is on a continuos four cycle loop. All wacko all the time. It would help cure most of this country from that sort of ideological insanity.

Aren't they now? In fact the channel leads in the ratings. Hasn't cured any insanity yet, left or right.
 
Aren't they now? In fact the channel leads in the ratings. Hasn't cured any insanity yet, left or right.

Perhaps you miss my point. The people who now listen to such garbage are the True Believers. They then go out and water it down trying to make it acceptable for friends, co-workers and family adjusting the message accordingly as front line political Jehovah's Witnesses doing missionary work in the name of right wing ideology. I want everybody to listen to the insanity first hand without the filter so they can see what the rest of us are ip against. Once the great middle of America hears the crazy psycho talk that inspires and leads the right wing, everything will take care of itself.
 
Perhaps you miss my point. The people who now listen to such garbage are the True Believers. They then go out and water it down trying to make it acceptable for friends, co-workers and family adjusting the message accordingly as front line political Jehovah's Witnesses doing missionary work in the name of right wing ideology. I want everybody to listen to the insanity first hand without the filter so they can see what the rest of us are ip against. Once the great middle of America hears the crazy psycho talk that inspires and leads the right wing, everything will take care of itself.

This is what you don't get, the people who listen, and watch, aren't just the "True Believers". Quite a few hold opposing viewpoints and are listening to salve some inner need for drama, not to mention, it's safe to argue with the radio/tv, you always win.

The great middle hears this stuff every day - and the majority of them tune into a message you detest. That's got to drive you bonkers. :mrgreen:
 
This is what you don't get, the people who listen, and watch, aren't just the "True Believers". Quite a few hold opposing viewpoints and are listening to salve some inner need for drama, not to mention, it's safe to argue with the radio/tv, you always win.

The great middle hears this stuff every day - and the majority of them tune into a message you detest. That's got to drive you bonkers. :mrgreen:

You will have to prove this to me with data. I cannot believe that average non-believers would subject themselves to this sort of drivel.

But I await your data to support your explaination.
 
You will have to prove this to me with data. I cannot believe that average non-believers would subject themselves to this sort of drivel.

But I await your data to support your explaination.

Hey, I'm okay with your insisting on believing FOX and conservative radio are number one in their markets (by a long shot) strictly because of the draw of the conservative audience. It's really kills so many of your other arguments.

So your assertion is that most of the people who tune in the media (TV or radio) in the US are conservative?
 
Hey, I'm okay with your insisting on believing FOX and conservative radio are number one in their markets (by a long shot) strictly because of the draw of the conservative audience. It's really kills so many of your other arguments.

So your assertion is that most of the people who tune in the media (TV or radio) in the US are conservative?

As I suspected , you failed to present the data which backs up your claims.
 
As I suspected , you failed to present the data which backs up your claims.

You're playing at being dense again. Where is the data to back up YOUR claims? Either way, you sunk your own argument. If all the folks watching/listening to those #1 in their market stations are indeed "true believers" as you assert, then the majority of the American public are conservative true believers (which you detest).

And what data are you after? That the conservative TV and radio programs are number 1? That's been posted ad infinitum. Or that a good portion of the listeners are listening to disagree. That last can be evidenced by this and every other liberal or centrist forum where the libs seem to know before the conservative posters what Rush and folks like him are saying today.
 
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You're playing at being dense again. Where is the data to back up YOUR claims? Either way, you sunk your own argument. If all the folks watching/listening to those #1 in their market stations are indeed "true believers" as you assert, then the majority of the American public are conservative true believers (which you detest).

And what data are you after? That the conservative TV and radio programs are number 1? That's been posted ad infinitum. Or that a good portion of the listeners are listening to disagree. That last can be evidenced by this and every other liberal or centrist forum where the libs seem to know before the conservative posters what Rush and folks like him are saying today.

What majority? Where are you getting this majority from?
 
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None of those numbers come even close to indicating a majority of the American people. Not even close.

Okay, I'll give you that wiggle room. We can go ahead and presume that the majority of Americans don't watch TV news or listen to the radio. Let's deal strictly with your assertion that it would turn folks off to their ideas if they were broadcast 24/7/365. That assertion is debunked by reality. They ARE broadcast 24/7/365 and to the highest ratings and by a large amount.

Now, you could have just gratiously received the small sop I offered when I put forward that a goodly portion of those listeners were actually from the other camp, but you didn't. It obviously didn't occur to you what you were saying when you opposed my idea.
 
Okay, I'll give you that wiggle room. We can go ahead and presume that the majority of Americans don't watch TV news or listen to the radio. Let's deal strictly with your assertion that it would turn folks off to their ideas if they were broadcast 24/7/365. That assertion is debunked by reality. They ARE broadcast 24/7/365 and to the highest ratings and by a large amount.

Now, you could have just gratiously received the small sop I offered when I put forward that a goodly portion of those listeners were actually from the other camp, but you didn't. It obviously didn't occur to you what you were saying when you opposed my idea.

There are 312 million Americans.
76 million are minors.
That leaves 236 million adults.

Limbaugh might get 15 million different people a week that listen to some of his program. An average quarter hour is a bit more than a fifth of that.
He does not even get 8% of adult Americans listening.

Premiere Radio Networks, Limbaugh's national syndicator, estimated last year that 3.59 million people were in Limbaugh's audience during an average quarter-hour of his program, based on a review of Arbitron's piecemeal data about hundreds of stations.

You can do the exact same thing with the ratings of those who see or hear Hannity or O'Reiley or Beck or Coulter or Buchanan or any of that group. They actually reach a very small sector of Americans.

My comment was that I wanted them on 24/7/365 so ALL Americans would hear them alerting them to the poison that is being injected into the American political system by these whack jobs.
 
My comment was that I wanted them on 24/7/365 so ALL Americans would hear them alerting them to the poison that is being injected into the American political system by these whack jobs.

And MY comment was that they already are and instead of Americans turning away in droves from a message you deem "poison", they tune into these programs in numbers that dwarf the competing stations.
 
And MY comment was that they already are and instead of Americans turning away in droves from a message you deem "poison", they tune into these programs in numbers that dwarf the competing stations.

yeah all 6% of them.
 
yeah all 6% of them.

Yeah, because in your universe all the rest of the folks are either not watching/listening to TV news,the radio or they're watching/listening to a liberal biased station.
 
That 6% certainly seems to have the Leftists rattled.


The familiar rightwing radio refrain. Rush keeps telling you, you keep repeating.

Say it as many times as you like. It's still pathetic.
 
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