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Oregon proposal would make smoking cigaretts illegal

jamesrage said:
Its much better than trying to take advantage of a bunch of tobacco addicts with extreme taxes. I think cigarettes should be banned.Its extremely addictive and difficult to quit(I smoked in my mid to late teens all the way to my late twenties, I haven't smoked for almost several years), smoke is harmful both to the smoker and those around the smoker. A lot of smokers are inconsiderate ****s who flip their butts on the ground, smoke around other people and even smoke in in their cars and houses with the kids in it thus forcing their kids to breath it in. At least with drinking you are only harming yourself and should you cause harm to others you can be arrested for driving drunk or public intoxication.
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I don't smoke, have never smoked, and never will smoke so laws like this have no direct effect on me but they have an indirect effect. They piss me off. They piss me off because of the condescending nature in which they are conceived. A group of people with way too much time on their hands sits around and thinks up things that will "make the world a better place" and they do this with the wholehearted belief that the rest of us are just too stupid to know what's best. We need their guidance and superior intellect because we can't be trusted to save ourselves. They see themselves as lords looking down from high places onto the masses of surfs who would be lost without them.

And when this particular quest is complete because their are enough people out there that willingly hand over their god given freedoms in the name of "the greater good" you can bet that, at least some of them, will light up and enjoy the pleasure of a good smoke. A luxury now afforded only to the chosen few...
 
Jack Fabulous said:
How far will these people go? Cigarettes illegal? Currently, you can posses and smoke marijuana in both Colorado and Washington State. Given the proximity to Washington State and the shared culture of that region, I find it incredibly ironic that soon pot smokers may have nothing to fear while cigarette smokers would have to hide in the shadows.
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It definitely is interesting how the treatment of marijuana and tobacco are going in opposite directions. Do none of these people see the hypocrisy going on?
 
jamesrage said:
Its much better than trying to take advantage of a bunch of tobacco addicts with extreme taxes. I think cigarettes should be banned.Its extremely addictive and difficult to quit(I smoked in my mid to late teens all the way to my late twenties, I haven't smoked for almost several years), smoke is harmful both to the smoker and those around the smoker. A lot of smokers are inconsiderate ****s who flip their butts on the ground, smoke around other people and even smoke in in their cars and houses with the kids in it thus forcing their kids to breath it in. At least with drinking you are only harming yourself and should you cause harm to others you can be arrested for driving drunk or public intoxication.
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Former smokers are the most intensely anti-smoking at all.
 
If the bill changes the status of nicotine, then it does not only affect smokers. Nicotine is also found in gum, patches and vapor products. So, if passed, does that mean all smokers would have to quit cold turkey since it would seem to make quit smoking products, not prescribed by doctors, illegal also?

Using vapor, I have been able to give up smoking (a pipe which I actually regularly received compliments about the smell) but will not be able to give up the nicotine as it helps with a nerve condition I have. Unfortunately, most doctors do not recognize that nicotine does help with such conditions and would never prescribe a nicotine product other than as a quit smoking aide.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I don't smoke, have never smoked, and never will smoke so laws like this have no direct effect on me but they have an indirect effect. They piss me off. They piss me off because of the condescending nature in which they are conceived. A group of people with way too much time on their hands sits around and thinks up things that will "make the world a better place" and they do this with the wholehearted belief that the rest of us are just too stupid to know what's best. We need their guidance and superior intellect because we can't be trusted to save ourselves. They see themselves as lords looking down from high places onto the masses of surfs who would be lost without them.

And when this particular quest is complete because their are enough people out there that willingly hand over their god given freedoms in the name of "the greater good" you can bet that, at least some of them, will light up and enjoy the pleasure of a good smoke. A luxury now afforded only to the chosen few...
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So by your logic heroin,meth,cocaine and other hard drugs should be legal?
 
jamesrage said:
So by your logic heroin,meth,cocaine and other hard drugs should be legal?
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I think you've misread my logic.

By my logic cigarettes, which have been legal for the entirety of mankind's existence, should not suddenly be taken away because you can't be trusted to make your own decisions.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
I think you've misread my logic.

By my logic cigarettes, which have been legal for the entirety of mankind's existence, should not suddenly be taken away because you can't be trusted to make your own decisions.
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I am sure many of those things have been legal for a long time. Cigarettes were not around for Man kind's entire existence.

Cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Jack Fabulous said:
But they have always been legal. My statement stands correct.
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Your statement was " legal for the entirety of mankind's existence"cigarettes have not been around for the entirety of mankind's existence.

You seem to not have a problem with cocaine,meth or some other hard drug being illegal, but yet you want to whine about someone making cigarettes illegal.
 
jamesrage said:
Your statement was " legal for the entirety of mankind's existence"cigarettes have not been around for the entirety of mankind's existence.

You seem to not have a problem with cocaine,meth or some other hard drug being illegal, but yet you want to whine about someone making cigarettes illegal.
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Has there ever been a law that banned smoking cigarettes? No, there hasn't. The fact that they were introduced at some point long after the origin of man is irrelevant. They have always been legal... even before they were invented. But enough with semantics.

We're not talking about coke, meth, heroin, or any other banned substance here. We're talking about cigarettes specifically and tobacco in general. A substance which has always been legal. If you want to take this off on some straw man tangent go right ahead. Just don't expect me to participate.
 
jamesrage said:
Your statement was " legal for the entirety of mankind's existence"cigarettes have not been around for the entirety of mankind's existence.

You seem to not have a problem with cocaine,meth or some other hard drug being illegal, but yet you want to whine about someone making cigarettes illegal.
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I have no problem with making cigarettes illegal. However, I have a problem with using the method of everyone stop on this day. Set a cut off date, say Jan 1 of next year. Everyone that can legally smoke now will continue to be legal, but anyone not of age at the cut off would never be legally allowed.

Also, what are the harmful affects of nicotine, not cigarettes/smoking, but nicotine? The law, as posted attacks nicotine, not cigarettes specifically.
 
DVSentinel said:
I have no problem with making cigarettes illegal. However, I have a problem with using the method of everyone stop on this day. Set a cut off date, say Jan 1 of next year. Everyone that can legally smoke now will continue to be legal, but anyone not of age at the cut off would never be legally allowed.
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Don't these laws usually take awhile before being started? Besides that smokers are junkies,they are not going to quit.Look at the smokers in New York, its ten bucks or more a pack and people still smoke.

Also, what are the harmful affects of nicotine, not cigarettes/smoking, but nicotine? The law, as posted attacks nicotine, not cigarettes specifically
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Then that should change.Smokers and other tobacco users should be encouraged to switch over to e-cigarettes,patches, gum or lozenges.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Has there ever been a law that banned smoking cigarettes? No, there hasn't. The fact that they were introduced at some point long after the origin of man is irrelevant. They have always been legal... even before they were invented. But enough with semantics.

We're not talking about coke, meth, heroin, or any other banned substance here. We're talking about cigarettes specifically and tobacco in general. A substance which has always been legal. If you want to take this off on some straw man tangent go right ahead. Just don't expect me to participate.
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The fact a substance has been legal for a long time is irrelevant.Coke, Meth,Heroin and other hard drugs were legal up until some point in our country.They were found extremely harmful and made illegal.
 
jamesrage said:
That is because we know how extremely addictive and harmful it is. If states are serious about getting people to quit then they should ban cigarettes instead basically taking advantage of junkies with extreme taxes.

Stopping smoking may be harder than quitting heroin
Why It's So Hard to Quit Smoking - TIME
NICOTINE: HARDER TO KICK...THAN HEROIN - New York Times
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No, that's not the reason. Many a smoker knows all that info. It's because some ex-smokers feel they have to pull the hard line or they themselves will backslide. Was the same way myself when I quit there for a few years.
 
digsbe said:
Smoking is unhealthy, but there are limits to where I think the government can take legislating healthy behavior. Let people smoke. I'm all for public smoking bans, but if someone wants to smoke in their own home or car let them. They know the health risk, their insurance costs will be higher, and so long as they are willing to pay for their care when smoking makes them sick then why not?
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Gender and obesity have as much of an affect on medical care costs as smoking yet PPACA uses political "reality" only, not actuarial statistics to set our "liberal" medical insurance rates. When gender lets females enjoy lower rates, as for auto insurance, then it is "fair" but when it makes females pay higher rates, as for medical insurance, then it is "unfair". Hmm...
 
Geoist said:
Tobacco has been around longer than man.
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But did any animals know what to do with it?

I smoke. I shouldn't, but I started again with the whole divorce/mental hospital thing. At any rate, I always wonder what was going through the first smoker's head. What made him say "See that plant? I'm gonna burn it and inhale the smoke!"
 
Generally speaking, it makes much more sense to legalize marijuana and criminalize tobacco.

Tobacco is far more dangerous to the overall health of the smoker than pot is.

That being said, I'd prefer they both be legal. Let people make their own choices.

Also - it's one thing to propose a bill. Quite another to get it passed.
 
rocket88 said:
But did any animals know what to do with it?
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Probably not. But I do believe its the possession rather than the use that is being legislated on in Oregon.
 
jamesrage said:
So have a lot of plants.
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And yet with this legislation its possession would be illegal without a doctor's note. Seems rather silly.
 
clownboy said:
Well now, a small percentage of the population are allergic to those things, just as a small percentage of the population gets cancer from second hand cigarette smoke.

And how about this, we ban driving of all but fully electric vehicles near public places. The exhaust is just as damaging to folks (actually more so) as the second hand cigarette smoke.
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I wonder whether you'd still feel the same way if I took all the known carcinogens in a cigarette, put them in a spray and every time you're near I'd spray it around for amusement. Would you still say I have a right to do that?
 
Jack Fabulous said:
Cigarettes would be illegal in Oregon under proposed bill



How far will these people go? Cigarettes illegal? Currently, you can posses and smoke marijuana in both Colorado and Washington State. Given the proximity to Washington State and the shared culture of that region, I find it incredibly ironic that soon pot smokers may have nothing to fear while cigarette smokers would have to hide in the shadows.

Being a non-smoker, it would never affect me but I can tell you that if this law passes I will be boycotting all things Oregon!

****ing fascists!
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This is the state which does not allow you to pump your own fuel. Ever.
 
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