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Rand Paul Calls Benghazi "Worst Tragedy Since 9/11"

Dittohead not! said:
Let's see... round that figure to 16%, subtract an estimated 10% who always vote for the party they cheerlead for, and we're left with 6% of the population who actually chose the president. Estimate 200m million eligible voters, and we have 12 million voters who actually made a difference. The final tally was about 49% Romney and 51% Obama, and we're left with approximately six million who elected the president, less than the population of Los Angeles.

But, those figures could be off. It might have been a lot fewer than that.
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Without voter ID the numbers could mean anything. When dozens of precincts vote 100% for a single party candidate, which defies reliable statistics, then questions have to be raised.
 
Fisher said:
It is a fair scrutiny. He did it to her face not with a wagging finger from a podium somewhere. When people die, tough questions/comments are appropriate.
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It's fair for him to ask tough questions...but worst since 9/11? Wow.
 
Grant said:
Without voter ID the numbers could mean anything. When dozens of precincts vote 100% for a single party candidate, which defies reliable statistics, then questions have to be raised.
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With voter ID, they could mean anything. Voter ID = Magazine size restrictions. Won't stop anything.
 
rocket88 said:
It's fair for him to ask tough questions...but worst since 9/11? Wow.
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To be fair, hyperbole is the stock in trade of all politicians the world over. He's not the first person to exaggerate a point, on either side, and he won't be the last. People on the left comparing Bush to Hitler has the same kind of over-the-top ring to it. Perhaps the point he was trying to make was that when it comes to the country protecting its citizens, the murders in Benghazi were the worst loss of life on the government's watch since 9/11.
 
CanadaJohn said:
To be fair, hyperbole is the stock in trade of all politicians the world over. He's not the first person to exaggerate a point, on either side, and he won't be the last. People on the left comparing Bush to Hitler has the same kind of over-the-top ring to it. Perhaps the point he was trying to make was that when it comes to the country protecting its citizens, the murders in Benghazi were the worst loss of life on the government's watch since 9/11.
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Unfortunately too true. I know it's just the normal hyperbole it just seems egregious to compare it to 9/11.

People on the right are comparing Obama to Hitler now, which I just figure is the same "Really?" factor as comparing Bush to Hitler. I assume that people would have compared Romney, McCain or Gore to Hitler...
 
CanadaJohn said:
To be fair, hyperbole is the stock in trade of all politicians the world over. He's not the first person to exaggerate a point, on either side, and he won't be the last. People on the left comparing Bush to Hitler has the same kind of over-the-top ring to it. Perhaps the point he was trying to make was that when it comes to the country protecting its citizens, the murders in Benghazi were the worst loss of life on the government's watch since 9/11.
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To be fair, the invasion and occupation of Iraq involved a much greater loss of life, and that happened since 9/11

But "the worst tragedy since the Iraq War, which I supported" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
 
rocket88 said:
Unfortunately too true. I know it's just the normal hyperbole it just seems egregious to compare it to 9/11.

People on the right are comparing Obama to Hitler now, which I just figure is the same "Really?" factor as comparing Bush to Hitler. I assume that people would have compared Romney, McCain or Gore to Hitler...
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Popular guy, that Hitler fella.
 
sangha said:
To be fair, the invasion and occupation of Iraq involved a much greater loss of life, and that happened since 9/11

But "the worst tragedy since the Iraq War, which I supported" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
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Compared to Obamacare, the Iraq war was one of the most popular government initiatives of the new millenium.
 
sangha said:
red herring noted
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Not a red herring so much as an attempt to indicate that sometimes popular things don't stay popular and vice-versa. If you don't like reference to Obamacare, how about reference to the "good war", according to Obama, in Afghanistan. Perhaps the greatest tragedy since 9/11 would be Obama's so called surge in Afghanistan with no real purpose and without the number of troops the commanders in the field said they needed, and without virtually any support from US allies.
 
Grant said:
Yes, just hint that you're a Socialist and the Left will offer their full support.
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Right Wingers ignorant of history and definition love to bring this up.

They always say "NATIONAL SOCIALIST... etc"

Yeah they were socialists... except they attempted to kill all the socialists and communists...

They're about as socialist as North Korea is Democratic (Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea)
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not a red herring so much as an attempt to indicate that sometimes popular things don't stay popular and vice-versa. If you don't like reference to Obamacare, how about reference to the "good war", according to Obama, in Afghanistan. Perhaps the greatest tragedy since 9/11 would be Obama's so called surge in Afghanistan with no real purpose and without the number of troops the commanders in the field said they needed, and without virtually any support from US allies.
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Since we're not discussing the popularity of programs, it is a red herring.
 
sangha said:
Since we're not discussing the popularity of programs, it is a red herring.
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I thought you were - you moved the discussion to the invasion of Iraq, which as I recall was quite popular with the American congress, the President, and a majority of the American people, yet you referred to it as a tragedy. I don't recall anyone ever claiming that 9/11 or Benghazi were popular with the American people, yet tragic.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I thought you were - you moved the discussion to the invasion of Iraq, which as I recall was quite popular with the American congress, the President, and a majority of the American people, yet you referred to it as a tragedy. I don't recall anyone ever claiming that 9/11 or Benghazi were popular with the American people, yet tragic.
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No, I did not "move" the discussion to the Iraq invasion, and even if I did, I made no reference to its' popularity.

It's obvious that the red herring you offered was a distraction from Pauls ignorant remark which you cannot defend
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not a red herring so much as an attempt to indicate that sometimes popular things don't stay popular and vice-versa. If you don't like reference to Obamacare, how about reference to the "good war", according to Obama, in Afghanistan. Perhaps the greatest tragedy since 9/11 would be Obama's so called surge in Afghanistan with no real purpose and without the number of troops the commanders in the field said they needed, and without virtually any support from US allies.
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even greater than having started the war in the first place?
 
Dittohead not! said:
even greater than having started the war in the first place?
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Sometimes you're left with no choice - do you think that America should have left Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Quida alone to celebrate after the attacks on your country on 9/11? It's why countries like Canada readily did all we could to assist in going into Afghanistan to seek retribution and justice. I consider that honorable, not a tragedy.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sometimes you're left with no choice - do you think that America should have left Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Quida alone to celebrate after the attacks on your country on 9/11? It's why countries like Canada readily did all we could to assist in going into Afghanistan to seek retribution and justice. I consider that honorable, not a tragedy.
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I think we should have left Iraq alone. We should have gone in to Afganistan and, if necessary, Pakistan, with a multi national force and the mission of capturing or killing Bin Laden and his cohorts, then left and gone home. We should never have tried to initiate a nation building project in either of those two countries.

Mine was definitely a minority opinion back when the invasions were taking place, but it seems that more and more people are agreeing with it all the time.
 
Jetboogieman said:
They're about as socialist as North Korea is Democratic (Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea)
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Wait, you mean North Korea isn't democratic? I'm shocked. It's right in the name after all...Next you're going to tell me that the German Democratic Republic was Communist....
 
Dittohead not! said:
I think we should have left Iraq alone. We should have gone in to Afganistan and, if necessary, Pakistan, with a multi national force and the mission of capturing or killing Bin Laden and his cohorts, then left and gone home. We should never have tried to initiate a nation building project in either of those two countries.

Mine was definitely a minority opinion back when the invasions were taking place, but it seems that more and more people are agreeing with it all the time.
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I still think nation building was necessary in Afghanistan. Just leaving would have left nothing to prevent the Taliban from taking power again and giving refuge to some other terrorist group.

But I don't know if it's possible there. The Soviets gave up after 10 years, we're still trying after 11.
 
rocket88 said:
I still think nation building was necessary in Afghanistan. Just leaving would have left nothing to prevent the Taliban from taking power again and giving refuge to some other terrorist group.

But I don't know if it's possible there. The Soviets gave up after 10 years, we're still trying after 11.
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The opium industry is intact and the "terrorists" will return and scarf up all the nice weapons that we leave behind in short order, if Iran does not rush in first. The Karsai "gov't" will collapse as fast as the US pulls out. This is Vietnam all over again. This "country" has one paved road, no navy, no air force and a "rag tag", at best army. All we did was waste time, money, lives and wave flags. Lots of folks profitted handsomely in the defense industry here as did the corrupt gov't folks over there, but the crazy goat herders are still just crazy goat herders. The corrupt tribal culture remains intact, praise be to Allah!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Right Wingers ignorant of history and definition love to bring this up.

They always say "NATIONAL SOCIALIST... etc"

Yeah they were socialists... except they attempted to kill all the socialists and communists...

They're about as socialist as North Korea is Democratic (Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea)
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No matter. they called themselves Socialists and the Socialists supported them. Same with the USSR. We can see the Left attacking those who dare challenge their lying and incompetence right on this thread.
 
Dittohead not! said:
even greater than having started the war in the first place?
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No problem starting a war, the problem seemed to be in finishing the war. Same with Afghanistan.

The Americans didn't want to win, they wanted to be liked.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I think we should have left Iraq alone. We should have gone in to Afganistan and, if necessary, Pakistan, with a multi national force and the mission of capturing or killing Bin Laden and his cohorts, then left and gone home. We should never have tried to initiate a nation building project in either of those two countries.

Mine was definitely a minority opinion back when the invasions were taking place, but it seems that more and more people are agreeing with it all the time.
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I doubt that America will ever get a multinational force together again. They will only respond now if they, or one of their very closest allies, is attacked. And even that is open to question. Many lives were lost in Iraq and Afghanistan with nothing to show for it.In fact lives are still be lost in Afghanistan despite the retreat already being announced. that makes no sense to me.
 
rocket88 said:
Wait, you mean North Korea isn't democratic? I'm shocked. It's right in the name after all...Next you're going to tell me that the German Democratic Republic was Communist....
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No, they were both Communist and the Leftists knew that, that's why they never marched in protest against either of them.

This is one of the oldest excuses around.
 
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