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Rand Paul Calls Benghazi "Worst Tragedy Since 9/11"

Anagram said:
Tough questions about this tragedy are certainly relevant and important.

This was not the greatest tragedy since 9/11 though. That's just hyperbole.
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For the family of the dead it likely was greater.
 
Bronson said:
Look if you want to debate this, that's fine, but using South Park videos and trying to disguise that as an argument is embarrassing

Benghazi attack had mountains of intel and warnings proceeding it. It was a political attack launched by an small army of well armed terrorists

CT Shooting was an unhinged lone nut committing Public Ritual Suicide. There weren't repeated warnings from the Intel Community that Adam Lanza was going to go on a shooting spree so he could go down in infamy.

If you can't see the difference that's not my problem. I understand you are trying to rationalize any lie Hillary Clinton spews because you are a liberal. Again, not my problem.
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There's nothing to debate. This attack occurred in a warzone. **** happens in these locations that can't be predicted. The diplomat knew the risks and went in anyway. Clearly he's a brave man. But, your belief that all of this could have been avoid is pure 100% speculation based on information that was received far after the fact (hence the captain hindsight video). These diplomats are in danger ALL OF THE TIME! It's not a new situation. If they avoided all dangerous locations, they'd go nowhere.

Now, to compare this incident to 9/11 is ludicrous. So much so that it's worthless for me to even debate the point.
 
Bronson said:
It's not about "sheer number of people killed" however. You are engaging in a strawman



Comparing a domestic school shooting by a lone nut committing public suicide for infamy is not the same thing as a terrorist attack at our consulate in Libya.



Politically and Historically the attack on our consulate is much more significant.



Not his comparison actually. YOUR COMPARISON.



Anyone attacking his comparison and trying to bring up Sandy Hook as a relevant comparison should be ashamed of themselves
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The only other comparison to make is in correlation with the Anti Muslim Video. While not being linked to the Benghazi Attack upon the Consulate. It was with 23 Muslim Countries Rioting and Protesting our Embassies, Military Installations, and businesses overseas. All on the Anniversary of 911. Incited upon and call out by the Sunni Cleric in Egypt who started it, in that aspect of it there, in Egypt. Where that Cleric never even saw the video. Yet all of them Rioted and protested all with a matter of hours.

Which would then indicate that Team Obama had dropped the ball. Thinking that with the Arab Spring and AQ taking their hits and Democracy coming into the ME. That the Alert level wasn't as high as they thought. Again.....separate of Benghazi. Yet none want to look to closely at that time table with those 23 Muslim Countries jumping off.
 
Tettsuo said:
There's nothing to debate. This attack occurred in a warzone. **** happens in these locations that can't be predicted. The diplomat knew the risks and went in anyway. Clearly he's a brave man. But, your belief that all of this could have been avoid is pure 100% speculation based on information that was received far after the fact (hence the captain hindsight video). These diplomats are in danger ALL OF THE TIME! It's not a new situation. If they avoided all dangerous locations, they'd go nowhere.

Now, to compare this incident to 9/11 is ludicrous. So much so that it's worthless for me to even debate the point.
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This attack occurred after a previous attack on the Consulate and an attempt to kill the UK Ambassador. As well as the Bombing of the Red Cross Offices. Has nothing to do with being a War-Zone. But it does have to do with Team Obama ignoring the Obvious warning signs.
 
Bronson said:
Look if you want to debate this, that's fine, but using South Park videos and trying to disguise that as an argument is embarrassing

Benghazi attack had mountains of intel and warnings proceeding it. It was a political attack launched by an small army of well armed terrorists

CT Shooting was an unhinged lone nut committing Public Ritual Suicide. There weren't repeated warnings from the Intel Community that Adam Lanza was going to go on a shooting spree so he could go down in infamy.

If you can't see the difference that's not my problem. I understand you are trying to rationalize any lie Hillary Clinton spews because you are a liberal. Again, not my problem.
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Give me just one good reason Hillary Clinton, the State Department, and President Obama would have to purposely allow our diplomat to die? And if you could do it without any "dear leader" "king obama" or "that marxist devil", I might take your response more seriously.
 
Bronson said:
It's not about "sheer number of people killed" however. You are engaging in a strawman
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How is that a strawman? Senator Paul made a direct comparison to 9/11. How do we make comparison? Think my Conservative friend. Use the brain God gave you.
Comparing a domestic school shooting by a lone nut committing public suicide for infamy is not the same thing as a terrorist attack at our consulate in Libya.
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I was talking about the 9/11 comparison. A jet liner crashing into the twin towers and killing 10s of thousand on the mainland is FAR greater than someone being killed in a far away distance country doing a jobs that is inherently dangerous.
Politically and Historically the attack on our consulate is much more significant.
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Is statement is a pure nonsense. If it was not for the Conservatives faux outrage (faux because there is no outrage over the deaths of soldiers or the rape of female soldiers that's occurring regularly) and constant mulling over this, the country would have forgotten it when a week. 9/11 changed the world. Even Newtown gave birth to the current big push for more gun regulations. How exactly did Benghazi changed our world or affect any legislation?
Not his comparison actually. YOUR COMPARISON.
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Right...okay.
Anyone attacking his comparison and trying to bring up Sandy Hook as a relevant comparison should be ashamed of themselves
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Now this is a strawman. Nothing I've stated compares this to Sandy Hook. You brought this up because you thought it would help your argument. If you're going to quote me and raise a counter-argument against my post, at least understand it first.
 
Chaddelamancha said:
Give me just one good reason Hillary Clinton, the State Department, and President Obama would have to purposely allow our diplomat to die? And if you could do it without any "dear leader" "king obama" or "that marxist devil", I might take your response more seriously.
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How about if they got caught with the selling of and moving arms for Syria? By using the Turks to get the weapons to the Rebels that were inside Turkey?
 
MMC said:
This attack occurred after a previous attack on the Consulate and an attempt to kill the UK Ambassador. As well as the Bombing of the Red Cross Offices. Has nothing to do with being a War-Zone. But it does have to do with Team Obama ignoring the Obvious warning signs.
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The first attack occurred the night before the second attacked that resulted in the deaths. This isn't in NJ or Iowa where we can mobilize resources quickly. This is in Libya.
 
I will never be convinced that this was not a false flag operation that went south.
 
Tettsuo said:
There's nothing to debate. This attack occurred in a warzone. **** happens in these locations that can't be predicted. The diplomat knew the risks and went in anyway. Clearly he's a brave man. But, your belief that all of this could have been avoid is pure 100% speculation based on information that was received far after the fact (hence the captain hindsight video). These diplomats are in danger ALL OF THE TIME! It's not a new situation. If they avoided all dangerous locations, they'd go nowhere.

Now, to compare this incident to 9/11 is ludicrous. So much so that it's worthless for me to even debate the point.
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There's nothing to debate? We get it. You don't believe there is anything to debate because it's politically damaging to the Obama Administration.

All of your assumptions are nothing more than a massive strawman. At that time the war in Libya had ended. Ambassador Stevens had repeatedly requested additional security for a reason. The reasons were numerous threats by Al Qaeda terrorist affiliates, the approaching anniversary of 9/11, and the fact that 4 terrorist attacks had occurred in Benghazi in the year proceeding. Helen Keller could have seen that the death of those 4 Americans should and could have been avoided.

Hillary lied to the faces of the Woods family and told them their son died because of a youtube video. Don't worry though, that guy is sitting in a jail cell while the man responsible for Benghazi was lounging around Libya and bragging about his deeds for months after the attack. It's always the same with Obama Supporters. Blame Blame Blame. Attack Attack Attack anyone who dares questions their Dear Leader.
 
Tettsuo said:
The first attack occurred the night before the second attacked that resulted in the deaths. This isn't in NJ or Iowa where we can mobilize resources quickly. This is in Libya.
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Wrong. You're lying. There were 4 previous attacks before the Benghazi attack on 9/11.
 
MMC said:
How about if they got caught with the selling of and moving arms for Syria? By using the Turks to get the weapons to the Rebels that were inside Turkey?
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What if they got caught having sex on the corpses? What if they were shipping bomb material to Iran?

Your "what if" scenario has nothing to do with real life. The question posed is a valid one. The administration gains nothing from allowing their diplomat to be killed.
 
Fisher said:
It is a fair scrutiny. He did it to her face not with a wagging finger from a podium somewhere. When people die, tough questions/comments are appropriate.
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Yeah, like the 4000 soldiers who died in Bush disaster in Iraq. As Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said rebuking the cretinous Paul in the next exchange. "If some people on this committee want to call this tragedy the worst since 9/11, it misunderstands the nature of 4000 plus Americans lost in the War in Iraq under false pretenses."
 
MMC said:
How about if they got caught with the selling of and moving arms for Syria? By using the Turks to get the weapons to the Rebels that were inside Turkey?
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Wasn't it Reagan who sold arms to Iran, Syria's only ally in the region. Are you projecting or something?
 
Thorgasm said:
This thread isn't about Ron Paul. It's about his mouth-breathing son.
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My typo. I seem to think of them as the same. I agree with what RAND Paul said in the video.
 
head of joaquin said:
Yeah, like the 4000 soldiers who died in Bush disaster in Iraq. As Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said rebuking the cretinous Paul in the next exchange. "If some people on this committee want to call this tragedy the worst since 9/11, it misunderstands the nature of 4000 plus Americans lost in the War in Iraq under false pretenses."
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The hearing was not about Iraq. I believe that is what your side likes to call a "Strawman" and anything doing with 9/11 a "meme".
 
MMC said:
This attack occurred after a previous attack on the Consulate and an attempt to kill the UK Ambassador. As well as the Bombing of the Red Cross Offices. Has nothing to do with being a War-Zone. But it does have to do with Team Obama ignoring the Obvious warning signs.
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Who was president when 9-11 and wasn't he warned him that al Qaeda was an imminent threat?

Hint:

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Fisher said:
The hearing was not about Iraq. I believe that is what your side likes to call a "Strawman" and anything doing with 9/11 a "meme".
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Who said the Benghazi matter was the worst tragedy since 9-11? Come on, you must remember. It's what the thread is about.

Do you agree with the objectivist Senator from Galtville.
 
Tettsuo said:
The first attack occurred the night before the second attacked that resulted in the deaths. This isn't in NJ or Iowa where we can mobilize resources quickly. This is in Libya.
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There was an attack in March of 2012 on the Consulate. The other attacks took place afterwards. It is already in the reports.

Mobilizing for implementing security measures for an imminent attack should have taken place after the first attack upon the Consulate. Even moreso after the failed attempt on the UK Ambassador.
 
head of joaquin said:
Who said the Benghazi matter was the worst tragedy since 9-11? Come on, you must remember. It's what the thread is about.

Do you agree with the objectivist Senator from Galtville.
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I have no idea who the "Objectivist Senator from Galtville" is but it has nothing to do with what did or did not happen in Benghazi. I mean if you want to be all partisan, Barrack Obama is the absolute worst president we have had since January 20, 2009, and this happened on his watch.
 
Question:

Whats the fasted way to not get taken seriously and label yourself as a moronic partisan hack?

Call Benghazi the Worst Tragedy Since 9/11

only a pompous moron would do that LMAO
 
Tettsuo said:
What if they got caught having sex on the corpses? What if they were shipping bomb material to Iran?

Your "what if" scenario has nothing to do with real life. The question posed is a valid one. The administration gains nothing from allowing their diplomat to be killed.
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Sure it does.....can you explain why Stevens was meeting with the Turks Ambassador inside Libya 2 hrs before the attack upon the consulate? Especially considering the Turks had pulled their Embassy people out Libya.

Perhaps you should think about that after Obama announced to the World we weren't giving the Rebels weapons. So did Clinton. Now what happens if that comes to light in the media?
 
Bronson said:
He's absolutely right

They were repeated warnings that were ignored. The Security at the consulate was basically disarmed and outsourced. Stevens was the first ambassador killed in 30 years.

CT was a completely different animal. Paul is speaking of National Security, Politics, Foreign Policy. ect.

Rand Paul 2016
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Yeah, why did the Tea Party Occupied Congress cut spending on ambassy security?

Wait a minute, Paul agrees with those cuts and wants more.

Do I sense a hypocrite or just a tea party fool?
 
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