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15-Year Old Boy Uses AR-15 to Defend Himself, Sister Against Home Invaders

TheNextEra said:
As usual you lie and continue to lie about what I said. Pathetic, but then people like you are dishonest because you cannot refute what I said.
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:lamo

Right gun. Right application. Right choice. Right results.
 
TheNextEra said:
Um not everyone since there are some in this thread arguing that ONLY an AR-15 type could have saved them. I argued that the AR-15 wasn't needed and a lesser fire arm could be used. That doesn't mean I think the AR-15 should be banned and I have said several times in this thread that I don't think it should be banned.



Wrong, and several posts of mine in this thread I even said I am NOT for an assault weapons ban. The only way someone would have come to the conclussion you think is if they didn't bother reading my comments on this thread and ASSUMED things instead. Not my problem.
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By all means, let's see these direct quotes of people that have posted in this thread that ONLY an AR-15 could've worked in this situation. What I've seen is most people express great relief that this kid and his sister are alright, and having a powerful rifle certainly played a part in that.

VanceMack said:
:lamo

Right gun. Right application. Right choice. Right results.
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Don't worry, he's about to go get us some quotes about where we all said it was the ONLY weapon that could've saved their lives in this situation.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
By all means, let's see these direct quotes of people that have posted in this thread that ONLY an AR-15 could've worked in this situation. What I've seen is most people express great relief that this kid and his sister are alright, and having a powerful rifle certainly played a part in that.
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Right here is one:

The FACT is it is extremely unlike that boy could have done that with a handgun and obviously not a bolt action "hunting" rifle.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...d-himself-sister-against-home-invaders-2.html
 
TheNextEra said:
Right here is one:



http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...d-himself-sister-against-home-invaders-2.html
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So your claim was:
"there are some in this thread arguing that ONLY an AR-15 type could have saved them. "

and this person said:

"The FACT is it is extremely unlike that boy could have done that with a handgun and obviously not a bolt action "hunting" rifle."

This person doesn't seem to be saying that an AR-15 was the only weapon that he could've saved them. Just that a weaker, and slower gun would've drastically reduced his chances to take on multiple adult attackers.

The funniest thing about that was this quote is on page 2. Yet you started screaming at people in post 7 on page one about how it wasn't the only gun that could've killed anybody. So you baited someone into an argument then are trying to say they started it?
 
TheNextEra said:
Doesn't make you any less a liar.
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Doesnt make you any less transparent. Or pathetic.

He coulda used a straw and a spitball! He didnt HAVE to use that eeeeeevil AR15!!!

But he DID...didne...REAL well.

Right weapon. Right application. Right choice. Get over it.
 
VanceMack said:
Doesnt make you any less transparent. Or pathetic.

He coulda used a straw and a spitball! He didnt HAVE to use that eeeeeevil AR15!!!

But he DID...didne...REAL well.

Right weapon. Right application. Right choice. Get over it.
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I never said the AR-15 was evil and he could have used another weapon as well. You're a liar, get over it.
 
TheNextEra said:
I never said the AR-15 was evil and he could have used another weapon as well. You're a liar, get over it.
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He DID use that AR15, boy...didnt he? He used it WELL! RIGHT weapon. RIGHT application. GREAT job and GREAT choice for home defense.
 
VanceMack said:
:lamo

Right gun. Right application. Right choice. Right results.
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Except the criminal is still alive. A nice 12gauge shot gun loaded with 00buck and there would be a dead criminal.
 
rhinefire said:
"a poor man in the hospital full of bullets"...... I hope he fully recovers and pays your house a visit very soon
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Good idea. Lists of registered voters are public information, maybe we should post an interactive list of who the Democrats are and where they live. If we cross reference it to CCW permits maybe we can make the world safer for burglars.
 
BMCM said:
Except the criminal is still alive. A nice 12gauge shot gun loaded with 00buck and there would be a dead criminal.
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Dead...stopped...no assault on the kid or his sister. Dood did it right. Thank goodness that family owned firearms, trained their kids on the proper use of firearms, and made a wise choice to boot.
 
BMCM said:
Except the criminal is still alive. A nice 12gauge shot gun loaded with 00buck and there would be a dead criminal.
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Or perhaps just one more round...

This would not happen in my house. If an intruder takes a hit he is going to be dead right there. Second chances are for people who deserve them.
 
VanceMack said:
Dead...stopped...no assault on the kid or his sister. Dood did it right. Thank goodness that family owned firearms, trained their kids on the proper use of firearms, and made a wise choice to boot.
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A wounded man can heal and come back at you, a dead man is just dead.
 
TheNextEra said:
Nothing you have said has answered nor negated anything I've said. You can stop acting foolish anytime you want to, until then I'll just laugh at your dodges :lol:

Also, I'm not arguing that the weapon SHOULDN'T be allowed, I'm only pointing out that in this case other lesser fire arms could have been used while others are claiming ONLY the AR-15 type could have saved them. Your fail, not mine.
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It is a lot easier to know what might have worked after the fact. I'm thinking that the home invasion, like most home invasions, was a surprise. The brave young man responded with the fire arm that worked for him. We know from the outcome that the AR-15 was an appropriate choice. Prior to the home invasion the kid had no clue that it was going to happen, when it was going to happen, where he would be in the home when it happened, how many people would be involved, how they would be armed and on and on. His attackers had more information than he had.

After the fact it is much easier to armchair quarterback the event, but the young guy did not have that option that night. It is way simple to say, "He had too much gun" after the fit hit shan, but how does someone know that prior to the incident? Besides maybe the kid had small hands. There are just a lot of reasons why the AR-15 was a better choice BEFORE everything happened.

As a father and a husband, I want my family to have every advantage if something similar were to occur. IMHO, what most people here are saying is that while the AR-15 isn't the only gun that would have done the job, it would be among the first choices of available guns. Further, there is no question that the AR-15 did not leave the kid at a disadvantage. I don't think many gun owners would like to be without that choice.


Note to readers: If you live in New York state, home invasions should no longer be a surprise. You should expect them.
 
BMCM said:
A wounded man can heal and come back at you, a dead man is just dead.
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People HAVE been known to miss...even with shotguns. Sounds like the young man did the job right. I'll stick with the knowns. Perps down, kids safe....this is a win all around.
 
TheNextEra said:
Wrong, and several posts of mine in this thread I even said I am NOT for an assault weapons ban. The only way someone would have come to the conclussion you think is if they didn't bother reading my comments on this thread and ASSUMED things instead. Not my problem.
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Well that's good. Now if we could just get you to understand that an AR15 is NOT an assault weapon we could move on.
 
BMCM said:
Except the criminal is still alive. A nice 12gauge shot gun loaded with 00buck and there would be a dead criminal.
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Your intent should be to stop the threat. Your intent should NOT be to kill anyone. There is a difference.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Your intent should be to stop the threat. Your intent should NOT be to kill anyone. There is a difference.
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Man, this needs to be repeated ad infinitude! The anti-gun crowd LOVES to paint gun owners as hell bent for leather but that is rarely the case!
 
VanceMack said:
He DID use that AR15, boy...didnt he? He used it WELL! RIGHT weapon. RIGHT application. GREAT job and GREAT choice for home defense.
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Yep and I never said it was evil either. Great lie on your part though!
 
TheNextEra said:
Yep and I never said it was evil either. Great lie on your part though!
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Heres what you do. You say "Damn I sure am glad that family owned an AR15 and trained their kids. I think the AR15 is a GREAT home defense weapon!"
 
Risky Thicket said:
Your intent should be to stop the threat. Your intent should NOT be to kill anyone. There is a difference.
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That might be your intent. If someone breaks into my house my intent would be to kill them. In my opinion a shot gun is the better weapon to use, it covers a wider area, you can remove the plug and put 5 to 7 shells in it, it can be sawed off to make it more maneuverable in the confines of a house, the rounds won't go thru the wall into your neighbors house. I can understand the kid using what he had. IMO a shot gun would be a better choice.
 
Why would you not use an AR-15 for home defense? Who cares if the kid could of used less. If you are facing an home invasion you want to give yourself the best shot possible to stop the invasion and get out alive. Why you not pick the best weapon available?
 
BMCM said:
That might be your intent. If someone breaks into my house my intent would be to kill them. In my opinion a shot gun is the better weapon to use, it covers a wider area, you can remove the plug and put 5 to 7 shells in it, it can be sawed off to make it more maneuverable in the confines of a house, the rounds won't go thru the wall into your neighbors house. I can understand the kid using what he had. IMO a shot gun would be a better choice.
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One might ask why you would want to kill someone as opposed to stopping them from harming you and yours, but I'm fairly certain that you are not given to philosophy at any level...ahem. You seem to be the kind of person most gun owners want to avoid being associated with, if you are old enough to own a gun. Your attitude does not represent responsible gun ownership. I'm guessing you have little or likely no formal firearms training. Might I suggest you get some formal training?
 
Henrin said:
Why would you not use an AR-15 for home defense? Who cares if the kid could of used less. If you are facing an home invasion you want to give yourself the best shot possible to stop the invasion and get out alive. Why you not pick the best weapon available?
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If they have a knife, I want a gun. If they have a gun I want a rifle. If they have rifles I want as much ammunition as possible to hold them off until more good men with guns, preferably the police, show up.
 
Risky Thicket said:
One might ask why you would want to kill someone as opposed to stopping them from harming you and yours, but I'm fairly certain that you are not given to philosophy at any level...ahem. You seem to be the kind of person most gun owners want to avoid being associated with, if you are old enough to own a gun. Your attitude does not represent responsible gun ownership. I'm guessing you have little or likely no formal firearms training. Might I suggest you get some formal training?
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Perhaps (not speaking FOR him) in this day where prisons have a revolving door he might be concerned that the perpetrators might get out in 1-3 years and come back looking for revenge. OR...perhaps it is because in this lawsuit happy country with some extraordinarily ****ed up values he might be concerned that the perpetrators might fall a lawsuit against the homeowners...and win.

BTW...the police dont train to shoot to would...they train to shoot to STOP...whether that be incapacitation or dead. NO ONE trains to wound or incapacitate. For my money...'stopped' is good enough. Ive dealt with the aftermath before. Wouldnt wish it on anyone.
 
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