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New Health Rankings: Of 17 Nations, U.S. Is Dead Last

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If all that growing debt really doesn't matter, why pay taxes at all? Why not just print more money as needed?
We could certainly do that. We could also eliminate all taxes and borrow all the money we need. After all, taxes and borrowing both take money out of the private sector and then put it right back in again. What's the big deal?

Now, back to the gloomy economic news vs crowded shopping malls, what is your take on that? Are people spending money that they don't have, or is the economy really better than we've been led to believe?
Even at 10% unemployment, 90% of the workforce is employed, most at the same jobs they've had for a while. That's the thing about unemployment -- unlike inflation, it's very unevenly distributed and experienced across the economy. Large numbers are barely affected by it at all. And of course, you can't count the numbers of people who are not at the mall. You think it's crowded today without thinking how much more crowded it might have been if the economy were booming.

The economy meanwhile happens at the margins. People are spending more, but not quite enough more for businesses to go on some hiring binge. Job losses have declined and what's called household deleveraging has advanced, but not quite enough to prompt consumers to go on some spending spree. We're close, but nobody is likely to feel at ease as long as the Republicans insist on promoting one freaking hostage-taking showdown after another. The relative prosperity of the late 1990's resulted in part from Republicans "getting" the message of the 1996 elections and abandoning at least the economic side of their Clinton hatred. That's a lesson that today's haters need to absorb as well. Especially if they intend their party to have an actual future.
 
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It's just "chee". Not "cheese".
 
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It may not be "much ado about nothing" now, but what of the next generation and if the debt keeps rising what of the next and the next.
Are we to keep passing the buck to the next generation, or are we to start taking responsibility for the debts the generation as accumilated.:peace

First we have to clean up the mess left by conservative Bush's misrule, including the financial meltdown, the bailout, and two unfunded wars. Then after we fix up the problems left by failed conservative politicies, growth with take care of debt.
 
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That must explain why so many people needing life saving surgery fly to the United States, if they can..............!

Yes, we ration health care by income and have the best health care system in the world for millionaires.

Now, back to the topic: PUBLIC health.
 
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With some fits and starts here and there, we've been running up the public debt since 1836. Really fast during times of national emergency, not usually so fast in other times. Nobody ever paid off our WWII debts. We just keep rolling them over. That very much is the American way. And no one much cared about it until January 20, 2009. Then all of a sudden it was time for outrage over spending and debt. Kind of odd when you stop and think about it.

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Yada, yada, yada. The best we can do for posterity is to get this Great Bush Recession mess cleaned up and out of their way. That's going to take some money.

I know America has had debt in the past I spoke about it from Regan until now.so you been looking in the wrong places.

However, when America breaks the record on debt owed by a Trillion dollars , "that's with a T" other people than I start to question the current economic system.

When America "a capitalist country" borrows money from China "a communist country" while questioning their human rights issue, again other people than I will question the current economic system in America.

When the bulk of American products is based on foreign labor , foreign energy, foreign products and foreign imports , other people than I will question the current economic system in America.

"THE BEST WE CAN DO"? Isn't that a politicians phrase?
Money on top of the 15 trillion America owes?

Where do you plan on getting this money from.,
TAXES? MAYBE BUDGET CUTS?,OR MAYBE THE RICH, OR THE POOR OR THE MIDDLE CLASS?:peace
 
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First we have to clean up the mess left by conservative Bush's misrule, including the financial meltdown, the bailout, and two unfunded wars. Then after we fix up the problems left by failed conservative politicies, growth with take care of debt.

I have always respected you has a poster but , I must disagree with this plan.

Although some mess were left by past presidents one can not stay in the past, one must look to the future.

My question is a reasonable simple one .

Can America clean up any financial mess left by the past using the same economic system of the past?

The Economic system introduced by Bush has not changed nor has it been addressed except a bunch of people from different classes and different political parties blaming each other, the economic system of 2000 is the same in 2013.:peace
 
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Noooooooooo.............we would rather pay more for lesser outcomes than do anything like what is working in the rest of the industrialized world!

That must be why Canadians and Europeans come here for serious surgeries and treatments.:roll:
 
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Where do you plan on getting this money from.,
TAXES? MAYBE BUDGET CUTS?,OR MAYBE THE RICH, OR THE POOR OR THE MIDDLE CLASS?:peace

How about from economic growth, after investing loan interest loans (our debt) in infrastructure (i.e., productivity) rather than Bush's unfunded war.

It works.
 
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That must be why Canadians and Europeans come here for serious surgeries and treatments.:roll:

Yep, one with lots of money do. See the problem yet?
 
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Yep, one with lots of money do. See the problem yet?

Bull, it does not take lots of money to be treated here, only a sense of priorities.
 
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Bull, it does not take lots of money to be treated here, only a sense of priorities.

Keep dreaming. If that were the case then poor Frenchmen would come here. But in fact only the rich do.

Stop the steam of consciousness and deal with reality.

We have a system that rations health care by income. That's why our outcomes are so bad. PUBLIC health isn't the as really good health care for the rich.
 
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Keep dreaming. If that were the case then poor Frenchmen would come here. But in fact only the rich do.

Stop the steam of consciousness and deal with reality.

We have a system that rations health care by income. That's why our outcomes are so bad. PUBLIC health isn't the as really good health care for the rich.

We have a system that works quite well, in fact 85% of Americans were covered before ACA was ever mentioned. It comes down to priorities nothing more nothing less. The people complaining about lack of insurance are the same ones buying cigarettes, iphones, and alcohol.
 
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That must be why Canadians and Europeans come here for serious surgeries and treatments.:roll:

If that is "evidence", what about all the medical tourist from the US that travel outside the country for affordable medical treatment? Where are all the Canadians and Europeans, or any first world nation, clamoring to switch to our type of health care system?
 
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If that is "evidence", what about all the medical tourist from the US that travel outside the country for affordable medical treatment? Where are all the Canadians and Europeans, or any first world nation, clamoring to switch to our type of health care system?

They are endless, I work for a global company with 9 locations in Canada. A large percentage of the employees there would love to have my insurance instead of paying that high tax rate for pathetic coverage. It is basically Natural Selection that you get taxed for in Canada
 
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They are endless, I work for a global company with 9 locations in Canada. A large percentage of the employees there would love to have my insurance instead of paying that high tax rate for pathetic coverage. It is basically Natural Selection that you get taxed for in Canada

Please link to the news stories from credible sources showing mass support in the other first world nations for switching to a US style health care system.
 
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Please link to the news stories from credible sources showing mass support in the other first world nations for switching to a US style health care system.

Why should I link what I did not claim? Do you have a reading problem?:lamo
 
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Why should I link what I did not claim? Do you have a reading problem?:lamo

Well, let's see?


If that is "evidence", what about all the medical tourist from the US that travel outside the country for affordable medical treatment? Where are all the Canadians and Europeans, or any first world nation, clamoring to switch to our type of health care system?

They are endless, I work for a global company with 9 locations in Canada. A large percentage of the employees there would love to have my insurance instead of paying that high tax rate for pathetic coverage. It is basically Natural Selection that you get taxed for in Canada


So they are endless, but you can't provide links to them?
 
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How about from economic growth, after investing loan interest loans (our debt) in infrastructure (i.e., productivity) rather than Bush's unfunded war.

It works.

How can America tap into economic growth while outsourcing more jobs from American industries?

You know of course that Manufacturing isn't the only industry being outsourced.:peace
 
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We have a system that works quite well, in fact 85% of Americans were covered before ACA was ever mentioned. It comes down to priorities nothing more nothing less. The people complaining about lack of insurance are the same ones buying cigarettes, iphones, and alcohol.

Pssst: read the OP. You're factually wrong. But that never stopped a conservative from indulging in market evangelism.

Pay for service is a relic of the past. It can't survive for well know reasons involving market flaws in the health care (price inelasticity and imbalance in information). But conservative will continue to deny reality and make themselves even more irrelevant to real America.
 
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How can America tap into economic growth while outsourcing more jobs from American industries?

You know of course that Manufacturing isn't the only industry being outsourced.:peace

Actually the US remains the top manufacturer in the world. But leaving that aside, the problem of outsourcing is somewhat easily solved: ban it or tax it.

However, this isn't relevant to GDP growth, which happens due to productivity gains and the inherent advantages of the American economy (if not eviscerated by failed conservative policies).
 
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Pssst: read the OP. You're factually wrong. But that never stopped a conservative from indulging in market evangelism.

Pay for service is a relic of the past. It can't survive for well know reasons involving market flaws in the health care (price inelasticity and imbalance in information). But conservative will continue to deny reality and make themselves even more irrelevant to real America.

When did paying for a service become a "relic if the past"? Someone pays for everything in one way or another..
 
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Why should I link what I did not claim? Do you have a reading problem?:lamo

Yeah, reading your posts create a problem: cognitive dissonance as you make one couterfactual claim after the next. In public health metrics our system is failing. It's failing for known economic reasons. Your bizarrely unfactual posts simply won't change that, but they will prove you're a conserative.
 
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When did paying for a service become a "relic if the past"? Someone pays for everything in one way or another..

You don't understand the term apparently. Nothing new here.
 
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Deaths from all causes does not equate with how well a nation's health system is run.

American healthcare workers receive more education than any others in the world (from what I see). Healthcare is expensive, but the quality and innovation is higher in America.
 
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