Welfare Recipients Take out Cash at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores and X-rated Shops.....

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notquiteright said:

Actually 'the taxpayer' doesn't mean one small group who doesn't much care for the whole concept. I don't get to say what the military buys with taxpayer money, I am however a taxpayer.

I stop on the south side of Lawton, Ok several times a month to use the ATM in Discount Foods. I have yet to buy a thing in that store. The ATM is close to the Hot Wok where I do spend cash for quick chinee take-out. The OP does a smear by proxy. No real proof how much money is used in the sin locations. More a case of the ATM in the location was used. I'm not about to say NO fraud occurs, just smear hit pieces like this are pot stirrers for those who already are in the Hallelujah Chorus.

Sounds like a bit of right wing whine over a problem all ready with a fix in the pipeline. Is the far right whiners THAT hard up for something to attack social spending during the lead-up to the next round of fighting over where the cuts come from and how deep the cuts go?

MMC- most of your OP was just poo flinging, the last bit about food stamps is not how it is here in SW OK. 'Food Stamps' are far more likely to go for fiddy cent on the dollah than double face value. Double face value just doesn't make sense-

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WELL this is Chicago and around here.....they will give 20 dollars Cash money for 30-40 dollars worth of food stamps.

Moreover how is it poo flinging when with NY alone they are showing you where the ATMS are.....evidenced by the OP.

"inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.....snip~

Bloomberg Turf.....Right?

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Risky Thicket said:

Why is the fact that they were black relevant?

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Well If they would have busted any others out of Chicago and Gary with the Sting.....then I would have said so. Which would have included any Whites and or Hispanics in their crackdown. But they didn't at the time.

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MMC said:

WELL this is Chicago and around here.....they will give 20 dollars Cash money for 30-40 dollars worth of food stamps.

Moreover how is it poo flinging when with NY alone they are showing you where the ATMS are.....evidenced by the OP.

"inside Hank’s Saloon in Brooklyn; the Blue Door Video porn shop in the East Village; The Anchor, a sleek SoHo lounge; the Patriot Saloon in TriBeCa; and Drinks Galore, a liquor distributor in The Bronx.....snip~

Bloomberg Turf.....Right?

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You got a source for double face value on food stamps?

Why would I pay double for a food card when I can spend the regular amount on food? It makes ZERO sense! You don't need a card to buy food, cash still works. It is like paying a dollah for a fiddy cent off coupon.

You don't seem to have too great a grasp on capitalism and consumer practices. Main Street complains about Walmart because it can offer goods cheaper, yet people will pay DOUBLE a card's value when they can just buy the food at normal prices?

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notquiteright said:

Nice deflection for the question. Why did MMC decide the ministers needed to be defined by race? I'd opine a lot of lighter shade of pale ministers sure dress with a lot of flash for being 'simple men of Gawd'.

From MMC it is nothing new, I too am surprised Risky made mention of it. Also surprised MMC didn't use a better code, like urban or something.

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I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.

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notquiteright said:

You got a source for double face value on food stamps?

Why would I pay double for a food card when I can spend the regular amount on food? It makes ZERO sense! You don't need a card to buy food, cash still works. It is like paying a dollah for a fiddy cent off coupon.

You don't seem to have too great a grasp on capitalism and consumer practices. Main Street complains about Walmart because it can offer goods cheaper, yet people will pay DOUBLE a card's value when they can just buy the food at normal prices?

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There are drug addicts who would prefer to get high than eat, and are more willing to part with some of what's on their EBT cards in order to get their next fix. However, most who trade EBT cards for cash are those who snatched the purses of old ladies. These are predatory animals, and should be treated as such.

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Risky Thicket said:

Yeah, there is probably a lot of fruit picking jobs unfilled in New York City, Chicago, Boston and on and on. It's been my experience that fruits and vegetables are grown on farms rather than in cities. I've been to most big cities in the US and damned if I can recall seeing a lot of vegetable farms. Of course we could round up all these welfare recipients and ship them to Dixie and have them pick cotton. :roll: Maybe we could get you to supervise them, Massa Gipper. Ain't nothin' quite like supervising anyone doing anything that they don't want to do.

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"What".....You don't think they have farms and fields to pick Vegetables and Fruits within 20 mins of Downtown Chicago? That's just on the Southside. Then there is Southwest and West of the City and not even 30 minutes away.

Been to many Midwestern Cities lately?

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notquiteright said:

You got a source for double face value on food stamps?

Why would I pay double for a food card when I can spend the regular amount on food? It makes ZERO sense! You don't need a card to buy food, cash still works. It is like paying a dollah for a fiddy cent off coupon.

You don't seem to have too great a grasp on capitalism and consumer practices. Main Street complains about Walmart because it can offer goods cheaper, yet people will pay DOUBLE a card's value when they can just buy the food at normal prices?

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Grocery owners accused of $500,000 in food stamp fraud

Staff report | June 23, 2011

Authorities say they seized $377,000 in cash from a Waukegan couple accused of defrauding food stamp and nutrition programs at their small grocery store. Fatima and Khaled Saleh, who operate Sunset Food Market in Waukegan, illegally gave cash to customers who made "falsely inflated purchases" using food stamp cards and nutrition coupons, according to a federal indictment announced today. They also bought infant formula and other items that customers had purchased at other stores using the cards and coupons, paying customers about half the value and then reselling the items in their store at much higher prices, according to the indictment.....snip~

Articles about Food Stamps by Date - Page 5 - Chicago Tribune

For some, this means illegally trading their food stamps for money, which is considered welfare fraud! Despite the possible consequences, many feel it's do or die and choose to illegally sell their food stamps for about 50% of their worth. The family then struggles to buy food for the rest of the month....snip~

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FIFTEEN CHICAGO RESIDENTS CHARGED WITH FOOD STAMP FRAUD

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WASHINGTON, Sept. 29, 1998--U.S. Department of Agriculture Inspector

General Roger C. Viadero announced today that a federal grand jury has charged

15 defendants, mostly owners and operators of small groceries in Chicago, with

various offenses relating to fraud in the federally funded Food Stamp Program.

The charges include illegal trafficking in food stamps, conspiracy, mail

fraud, and federal income tax offenses.

Five of the defendants were alleged to have illegally obtained and

redeemed food stamps worth more than $1 million during recent years. The

other ten defendants are charged with illegally purchasing food stamps for

cash amounts less than the face value from an undercover law enforcement

officer.

U were saying .....or do I need to throw up some more. You can go to the Chicago Tribune or Sun-times Newspapers. As they have Most of all the stories from 1998 on up. U know from back in Clinton times too.

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MMC said:

I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.

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So why even mention the ministers are black? You are racebaiting. The point was ministers behaving badly and you toss the race issue into a welfare whine. No Sir, you probably are so use to seeing race when angry it didn't occur to you it was race baiting.

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Ikari said:

There are a lot of reforms which can be done to the welfare system; though I think it would be foolhardy to scrape it all together. One thing is that if you're not working and you're on welfare, I think we should get some Community Service out of you. It could be hard given various real life limitations; but there's no such thing as a free lunch and that needs to be impressed. Perhaps we've been dealing with this as such a free lunch program that the problems that have evolved were bound to evolve. At the same accord, I find it hard to argue for scraping the system all together.

And besides, we pay more to corporations and bailing out banks. And those bastards don't have any limitations.

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New Mexico already has a program much like what you are talking about. NMHSD - ISD - New Mexico Works - Cash Assistance Programs Policy Manual

Its called New Mexico Works In order to obtain cash assistance you must meet obligations that the program has set for your case. If you lack the education to maintain a job they will require you to take classes once you have met those requirements then it moves to you must show proof that you are seeking employment. Each month you must turn in that proof and if you fail to meet your obligations that you agreed to as a requirement you no longer are eligible to receive anything. The end result is that it would be much easier and more beneficial for you to just get a job any job. While a person is a member of New Mexico Works they get a good taste what it would be like to live in a authoritarian country. The big difference being that you can quit at any time but not without having to go on a waiting period if you wish to try again.

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Chelsea said:

Honestly, what child do you know that eats nothing but healthy foods? And I would propose that teh reasoning behind not restricting every food choice to something nutritious is because it would cost nearly twice as much. U can get 2 boxes of donuts for the same price as a bag of apples. I can buy 2 pizzas for $7 vs paying $7 for 2 lbs of lean hamburger. Soda costs alot less than juice when it comes to kids. We feed our kids fruits and veggies and buy them milk and all the things that are good for them but by the end of the month its down to vuying affordable products. Only junk food costs $1 and can be stretched enough for 5 people.

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Are you actually serious? First your promotion of eating junk food over healthy food is not only bazaar, its insane. Secondly your idea of what things cost (2 pizzas for $7) is unreal.

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MMC said:

Guess this goes with them Using Food Stamps and those that sell them for cash at twice the Amount in Food Stamps. Some of them stand Right outside Stores that are designed for the EBT and food stamps. Thoughts?

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that was your original claim- DOUBLE value. Good to see now you have done some research and what i said, fiddy on the dollah is more the norm. :2wave:

Now you drag in the grocers and businessmen who are committing fraud, again no one said fraud doesn't exist and would be nice if the enforcement branches of all forms of oversight in gubmint be enlarged but the tea party/libertarian crowd hates 'big invasive' gubmint and the place to stop this fraud is at the chamber of commerce level and 'conservatives' don't normally hunt their own.

I see this as the right wing thrash around not to improve oversight but to end the programs.

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I've said the following many times. Since addition is associative and commutative, we have
( w - x ) + ( y - z ) = ( w - z ) + ( y - x ).
From this, we see the obvious fact that if someone is wasting the money they earned and then using food stamps then it is equivalent to them purchasing the food they needed with their money and us giving them money to waste. This is why I believe consent to financial disclosure, including assets, should be a requirement for government assistance.

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It's hard to show accountability when they give them straight up cash.

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notquiteright said:

So why even mention the ministers are black? You are racebaiting. The point was ministers behaving badly and you toss the race issue into a welfare whine. No Sir, you probably are so use to seeing race when angry it didn't occur to you it was race baiting.

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Nice attempt at deflection since you don't think people around Chicago and Gary are getting scammed or even having their foodstamps and LINK Cards Outrright stolen from them. Just like you didn't notice about the Porno place and the Lounges with ATMs. Just like you didn't think people have been doing the food stamps for half-price......FOR YEARS!

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I didn't really think it would have mattered so much their race. But since they didn't bust any Hispanic or white ministers nor any others of any other ethnicity. I would think those that say they are ministers and have ten people that follow them and not paying taxes plus being on Welfare. Would be far more important.

I wouldn't care what color they were.....as long as they aren't gaming the system and taking advantage of someone else. Or did that point escape your assumptions too?

So save you racebaiting BS for where it belongs.

What did you have trouble understanding this? Still couldn't get past that point due to your judgments you like to throw out on people? "What'.....did your paint brush decide that it had some more hair to try and fling with?

I am not angry over the issue nor have I ever really been except for those who keep getting taken advantage of.....kinda leaves your assuming theory, where it belongs. In your very own head.

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DrunkenAsparagus said:

So if they can't get additional income, and the EBT cards control their purchases, how are people supposed to better themselves and get out of poverty. Strict control of welfare recipients doesn't foster greater independence or responsibility. It just creates another peon for the state.

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Do you think going to the strip club or buying drugs is bettering themselves? Seriously, what is it that they are not being allowed to do with their money that makes their situation demonstrably better?

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Cephus said:

Do you think going to the strip club or buying drugs is bettering themselves?

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Of course not, I just see the alternatives as being ineffective and leading down a troubling path.

Cephus said:

Seriously, what is it that they are not being allowed to do with their money that makes their situation demonstrably better?

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Investing in business or getting certain jobs. It takes money to make money.

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notquiteright said:

that was your original claim- DOUBLE value. Good to see now you have done some research and what i said, fiddy on the dollah is more the norm. :2wave:

Now you drag in the grocers and businessmen who are committing fraud, again no one said fraud doesn't exist and would be nice if the enforcement branches of all forms of oversight in gubmint be enlarged but the tea party/libertarian crowd hates 'big invasive' gubmint and the place to stop this fraud is at the chamber of commerce level and 'conservatives' don't normally hunt their own.

I see this as the right wing thrash around not to improve oversight but to end the programs.

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For some, this means illegally trading their food stamps for money, which is considered welfare fraud! Despite the possible consequences, many feel it's do or die and choose to illegally sell their food stamps for about 50% of their worth. The family then struggles to buy food for the rest of the month....snip~

"Say What" you are even more nieve than I thought could possibly and even normally be. What part didn't you get for about 50% of what they are worth? Isnt that like Double? As in hey, I want to sell my food stamps. What ya need? 20 dollars cash. Do you think when they say 40 dollars for their food stamps. That is half their worth?

So the Criminal or usurper isn't getting Double the money?

Where did you go to school to learn math?

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Gipper said:

It's hard to show accountability when they give them straight up cash.

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They do. They ask how much cash you receive under the table, bank records for 6 months, burial plots, cars, homes, boats, rvs, anuities, trust funds, inheritances... list goes on and on and you have to account for all of it with paperwork.


And to whoever was taken aback by $7 for 2 pizzas, here tombstone pizzas are $3.33. Apples are nearly $2 a pound, oranges I think are right at $2 per pound. Avacados if not on special are a dollar each and even lettuce costs $1.50 per head. The lean meats cost 1 and a 1/2 times the prepackaged gunk costs, and a 5lb bag of chicken is $10. Foodstamps don't buy preprepared foods or carryout.

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lizzie said:

When I was a kid, I remember some type of program where people would go to a central local location, and pick up what they called "commodities". I would much rather support something along these lines, than what we see today. As far as I am concerned, "welfare" money needs to be spent on actual needs, and not random wants. If you want to buy your "wants", then get a job and pay for it yourself.

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I remember a case from back in the nineties (maybe up around Duluth, MN?) where a welfare mother was caught having almost $10k in the bank, and the prosecutor was actually talking prison time for the offense. Upon further investigation, it turned out that this woman was extremely thrifty, and had actually saved the money out of her welfare payments over the previous two years. She bought inexpensive commodities for food, shopped for clothes for herself and her 8-year old daughter in second-hand stores, and generally pinched her pennies so hard you would think Abe Lincoln would get ingrown whiskers. And she was saving the money for her daughter's education. The case was finally settled by the state confiscating all her savings above the statutory allowance of $1000.

The case disturbed me (and still does). We always hear how welfare payments are never enough but when someone comes along who really tries to make it work - and puts her child's education on her priority list - it bothers me that the state takes the money back. Presumably to give to someone who will spend it on strip clubs, booze or drugs.

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Diogenes said:

The case disturbed me (and still does). We always hear how welfare payments are never enough but when someone comes along who really tries to make it work - and puts her child's education on her priority list - it bothers me that the state takes the money back. Presumably to give to someone who will spend it on strip clubs, booze or drugs.

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I agree in that type of case, but I consider a good education a "need" if you want to make a decent living wage anymore. Very sad case imo.

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Hicup said:

Try feeding a family of 6 and providing a roof over their heads living in the Sudan for what amounts to $30 a year..

Don't belly ach to me about poverty. There's no such thing as poverty in the US only poor, unable, and lazy!! The unable is the ones we should care about, the lazy can eat **** for all I care!

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Agreed.

In late spring of 1962, Time magazine had a picture of President Kennedy attending a basball game in San Francisco with his host, a multi-millionaire real estate developer with a fascinating biography: He was born in southwestern Russia in 1906, drafted into the czar's army in 1917 (11 years old!!) and marched off. In a few months the Bolsheviks took over the country, surrendered about a third of it to Germany, and the army fell apart. Since the kid's home was on the German side of the line, he decided not to go back and hitchhiked 5,000 miles down the Siberian railroad to Vladivostok where he did whatever was necessary to survive until he landed a post as cabin boy on a freighter bound for the US. He landed in San Francisco in 1919: 13 years old, no friends, no family, no education to speak of, and knowing just as much English as he had been able to learn from the sailors on the trip across the Pacific. Forty-three years later he is a wealthy man with his picture in a national magazine, sitting next to his good friend the president.

I suspect the guy had a pretty ruthless record on his journey from janitor to landlord, and I'm not sure I would ever want to invite him to my home for dinner, but I surely do admire his survival skills and I think about him whenever I hear the whining for more government handouts.

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Chelsea said:

They do. They ask how much cash you receive under the table, bank records for 6 months, burial plots, cars, homes, boats, rvs, anuities, trust funds, inheritances... list goes on and on and you have to account for all of it with paperwork.


And to whoever was taken aback by $7 for 2 pizzas, here tombstone pizzas are $3.33. Apples are nearly $2 a pound, oranges I think are right at $2 per pound. Avacados if not on special are a dollar each and even lettuce costs $1.50 per head. The lean meats cost 1 and a 1/2 times the prepackaged gunk costs, and a 5lb bag of chicken is $10. Foodstamps don't buy preprepared foods or carryout.

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So to get government assistance, you have to list all the boats you own and trust funds in your name?

Thanks for assisting my argument.

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DrunkenAsparagus said:

Of course not, I just see the alternatives as being ineffective and leading down a troubling path.

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I don't. I see it as requiring them to use the resources that society gives them in a manner society deems acceptable. If they want freedom to live as they like, they're free to make their own money.

Investing in business or getting certain jobs. It takes money to make money.

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Both of which take credit cards, I'm sure. Neither of which require using ATMs in strip clubs.

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Chelsea said:

So vomparing us with a third wold nation does what exactly? Its not laziness in most cases. Do you have kids? Have you ever worked 60 hours a week with barely enough income at the end of it to make rent and nothing left over for food? Have you ever seen your kids go hungry or take a diaper bag to walmart soley to steal bread and meat because there is no food in your house? There is poverty in America. We are a first world nation. No child should go hungry.

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I have 4 children, and I worked 70 to 75 hours a week early in my career, and prioritized many a month figuring out how to pay the bills. I was in a career in retail, and it suddenly hit me one day that as good as I was at my job, it was NEVER going to be enough to send my kids to college so I made a change in course. I was lucky in some cases, unlucky in others, but all through it I never waivered, and worked hard. The sacrifice was heavy. I lost my wife, and never saw my kids, and I am repaying that lost time now that I am successful.

I agree with you, NO child should go hungry, hell dude, no child should be put in a position to be born of parents that are unable to support them, nurture them, but all to often they are. It's not their fault, and why I was careful to include the unable as a demographic of welfare recipients. No one is suggesting that the truly unable be made to suffer. It's the lazy, and unmotivated, and entitled that are not worthy of support. If I had settled for welfare it would have delayed my epiphany perhaps several years, and I might add that all the while I was working those 70/75 hours a week, my standard of living after taxes, bills, and everything else, was barely on pace with an average welfare recipient. Don't lecture me about what it takes to succeed, I am living testimony of what it takes. When I see people at the grocery store with three carts full of food and me and my family with one filled mostly with no-name brand food, the cheaper meats, canned meat, I get a little testy when those very same people wheeling those carts around the store are wearing the $200 sneakers, the bling, have cell phones, and seem perfectly capable of finding work.


Tim-

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Henrin said:

I'm beyond tired of liberals comparing welfare to the military. Welfare is for individual assistance and regardless if it is offered to everyone or a few that is always the case. The military is different. The military exists to protect the country itself from the threats out of outside aggression. There is no amount of greater gain for one party over another nor is there any reason to expect that it exists for the benefit of one while not for the another.

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That's pure speculation unless you've got a list of which politicians own stock in what companies and which companies contribute to their campaign funds and party super-pacs.