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Florida's Long Lines On Election Day Discouraged 49,000 People From Voting: Report

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Maenad said:
What a crock. They would stand in a far longer line for a rock concert with no complaints.
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Or, the people who would in fact do so are the ones who voted, whereas these folks actually had places to be.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
I obviously do, because in a state where the last couple of Presidential elections came down to less than 100,000 votes, half that number went home because the lines were too long.
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No you don't live in Florida. Otherwise you would know how easy it is and how often they contact you to vote absentee etc.

TacticalEvilDan said:
You want to make it out like it's a stupidity thing, but I don't think it is. I often get so busy that I have no time during the day to run errands or eat lunch, and I often end up forgetting to do important personal things day after day after day. If the polling places around here weren't open until 9pm and the lines weren't short enough to suit my schedule, I'd give up on them too, and chances are pretty good that I'd forget to mail in a ballot.
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Yes down here it is about nothing but stupidity. You have no idea. I have never seen a more self absorbed group of assholes from all walks of life than I do in Florida.

For example... In Metropolitan Chicago I and my wife commuted from the South suburbia to the city for our jobs. In the morning we would turn on the radio for weather and traffic just in case of an accident. We don't commute here because you don't turn on the radio to see if an accident may have occurred... You tune in to hear how many. On a clear sunny day you can have anywhere from 3 to 8 accidents within 2 to 3 hours. That is only one stretch of highway, just one.

TacticalEvilDan said:
I'm not an idiot, I'm just frayed.
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I don't think your an idiot, and I understand why you are frayed. It however does not change the fact that to many of these people are to stupid to be allowed to vote, lol. J/K Seriously, the state and private sector go above and beyond to get these people to vote early or absentee. So any excuse is just that, an excuse.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Or, the people who would in fact do so are the ones who voted, whereas these folks actually had places to be.
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I had to be at work and I voted. Employers are supposed to give their workers 2 hours to vote on election day. But I didn't ask for the 2 hours. I just left home an hour early. "Places to be"....LOL. OMFG we ALL have places to be. SOME of us plan around it and make time to vote.

I voted absentee a couple of times when I was traveling. If they can't get to the polls, a little advance planning gives them this option too.
 
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Blackdog said:
No you don't live in Florida. Otherwise you would know how easy it is and how often they contact you to vote absentee etc.



Yes down here it is about nothing but stupidity. You have no idea. I have never seen a more self absorbed group of assholes from all walks of life than I do in Florida.

For example... In Metropolitan Chicago I and my wife commuted from the South suburbia to the city for our jobs. In the morning we would turn on the radio for weather and traffic just in case of an accident. We don't commute here because you don't turn on the radio to see if an accident may have occurred... You tune in to hear how many. On a clear sunny day you can have anywhere from 3 to 8 accidents within 2 to 3 hours. That is only one stretch of highway, just one.



I don't think your an idiot, and I understand why you are frayed. It however does not change the fact that to many of these people are to stupid to be allowed to vote, lol. J/K Seriously, the state and private sector go above and beyond to get these people to vote early or absentee. So any excuse is just that, an excuse.
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This thread is just another victim schtick!
 
Florida has early voting, not interested in the rest of the story.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
If it costs money to acquire said ID, and that ID is required to vote, it is a poll tax.
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seems to me PA was giving out free ID's but it was still a poll tax in the land of liberal logic......but I'd be willing to bet if you had to show ID to get your welfare every month, people would suddenly find a way to get them.
 
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Fisher said:
seems to me PA was giving out free ID's but it was still a poll tax in the land of liberal logic......but I'd be willing to bet if you had to show ID to get your welfare every month, people would suddenly find a way to get them.
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Your stale rhetoric aside, if it really is free to get an ID needed to vote, it's not a poll tax.
 
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Blackdog said:
I don't think your an idiot, and I understand why you are frayed. It however does not change the fact that to many of these people are to stupid to be allowed to vote, lol. J/K Seriously, the state and private sector go above and beyond to get these people to vote early or absentee. So any excuse is just that, an excuse.
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Okay. You live there and you're telling me that there are many different efforts to get out the vote, I can't really argue with you on that front.

This article struck a chord with me because America in general has serious problems with consistency and outreach when it comes to the vote. Personally I have a really hard time chalking up a walk-off of voters that is more than half the margin by which the President won the state to stupidity.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Whenever a topic like this comes up, I find myself wondering how many people who espouse the above sentiments also espouse the following:

1. America is the greatest nation on Earth.
2. America is a beacon of freedom to the oppressed peoples of the Earth.
3. The Supreme Court shouldn't take into account the decisions of foreign courts when looking for precedents upon which to base their decisions.


The fact is, a lot of Americans are working crap jobs for asshole bosses and making **** wages, living paycheck to paycheck. A long line is going to discourage them from voting.

Are there other options? Of course. Do we do a good job of making sure people are aware of them and encouraging them to do so? I'd say this is proof that we don't.

It never ceases to amaze me that, despite our largesse, technology and know-how, we continue to struggle when it comes time to cast a ballot or take a census.
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Do you have any proof that those that decided not to wait in lines fall into the categories you stated here?
 
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VanceMack said:
Dear Floridians.

Very sorry you are too stupid to know how to vote in your state. Pretty sad when you disenfranchise yourself. Maybe you are literally too stupid to take part in this process.

PS...for next time...

"How to Early Vote

Early voting begins 10 days before an election and ends on the 3rd day before any election in which there is a state or federal office race. Early voting may be held for a maximum of 12 hours, but no less than 6 hours, a day."
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Sounds top me like it has more to do with lazyness than stupidity.

People want immediate gratification.

Waiting in line is hard and they just don't want to do it.

I bet those same people would wait in line all night for the newest movie to open at midnight.
 
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Mason66 said:
Do you have any proof that those that decided not to wait in lines fall into the categories you stated here?
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Do you have any proof that those that decided not to wait in lines do not fall into the categories you stated here?

Enough Americans do fall into the description I laid out that it's a reasonable assumption that many of those who couldn't want do.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Your stale rhetoric aside, if it really is free to get an ID needed to vote, it's not a poll tax.
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But it costs money for gas to drive there to get the ID and the time to stand inline.

That was the argument against the free IDs

I actually saw a post where it said the government should go around to everybodys house to offer the free ID, otherwise it was a poll tax.
 
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Mason66 said:
Sounds top me like it has more to do with lazyness than stupidity.

People want immediate gratification.

Waiting in line is hard and they just don't want to do it.

I bet those same people would wait in line all night for the newest movie to open at midnight.
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Amazing. You ask me for proof of my characterization, then go on to make your own without any proof. :lol:
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Amazing. You ask me for proof of my characterization, then go on to make your own without any proof. :lol:
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I said sounds to me. That was my opinion.

You posted like you had information that we don't.
 
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Mason66 said:
But it costs money for gas to drive there to get the ID and the time to stand inline.

That was the argument against the free IDs

I actually saw a post where it said the government should go around to everybodys house to offer the free ID, otherwise it was a poll tax.
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, reasonable measures can be taken to reduce the inconvenience without going to that extreme.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Do you have any proof that those that decided not to wait in lines do not fall into the categories you stated here?

Enough Americans do fall into the description I laid out that it's a reasonable assumption that many of those who couldn't want do.
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You made the statement. So you are guessing they fell into that category with no kind of proof, or even an educated guess.
 
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Mason66 said:
I said sounds to me. That was my opinion.

You posted like you had information that we don't.
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You aren't going to win an argument with my by splitting hairs like that, sorry.
 
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Mason66 said:
You made the statement. So you are guessing they fell into that category with no kind of proof, or even an educated guess.
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My guess was a hell of a lot more educated than yours. The other difference is, I'm not the one demanding proof of why people left the line.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
You aren't going to win an argument with my by splitting hairs like that, sorry.
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I am not trying to win an argument.

If you are going to chose between people being lazy and not having time to stand in line for whatever reason and you are talking about Americans, I will go with lazy.

The bottom line is that it wasn't important enough for these people to make arrangments to vote. That is on them.
 
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It's basic, if Floridians don't want to stand in line election after election, they can change their voting laws to mirror the systems that work in other states to prevent that necessity. However, this sitting around complaining for a short period before and after elections AND absolute inactivity on the issue at the times they could be fixing the issue, exposes them to charges of laziness and apathy.

Complaining about something that can be fixed with a little effort, and time and again are left unaddressed instead, is the very definition of laziness. At the very least it's one of those "made your own bed" sort of things.

The same is true nationally. Every election we rail on about voter fraud. Then the election season concludes and we seeminly forget about it until the next election. The time to address these issues is not right before, during or right after an election, but during the off-season.
 
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Mason66 said:
If you are going to chose between people being lazy and not having time to stand in line for whatever reason and you are talking about Americans, I will go with lazy.
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How can you say that, given how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck?

Mason66 said:
The bottom line is that it wasn't important enough for these people to make arrangments to vote. That is on them.
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No, the bottom line is that we continue, year after year, to have issues when it comes to holding elections and taking a census. We shouldn't be having the kinds of issues we do to begin with.
 
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TacticalEvilDan said:
Whenever a topic like this comes up, I find myself wondering how many people who espouse the above sentiments also espouse the following:

1. America is the greatest nation on Earth.
2. America is a beacon of freedom to the oppressed peoples of the Earth.
3. The Supreme Court shouldn't take into account the decisions of foreign courts when looking for precedents upon which to base their decisions.


The fact is, a lot of Americans are working crap jobs for asshole bosses and making **** wages, living paycheck to paycheck. A long line is going to discourage them from voting.

Are there other options? Of course. Do we do a good job of making sure people are aware of them and encouraging them to do so? I'd say this is proof that we don't.

It never ceases to amaze me that, despite our largesse, technology and know-how, we continue to struggle when it comes time to cast a ballot or take a census.
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If a voter is to stupid to figure out how to vote perhaps we really did not need them to vote? In the US the prerequisite to voting is that you have to be a adult. And adults can figure out things in this adult world.
 
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clownboy said:
It's basic, if Floridians don't want to stand in line election after election, they can change their voting laws to mirror the systems that work in other states to prevent that necessity. However, this sitting around complaining for a short period before and after elections AND absolute inactivity on the issue at the times they could be fixing the issue, exposes them to charges of laziness and apathy.
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I wasn't aware that the average person could in fact fix the issue. I thought that was in the hands of the politicians -- the ones who most benefit from election irregularities.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
If a voter is to stupid to figure out how to vote perhaps we really did not need them to vote? In the US the prerequisite to voting is that you have to be a adult. And adults can figure out things in this adult world.
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Way to ignore everything I said.
 
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