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The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49]

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nota bene said:
No, sir, that's not your only agenda.
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By all means, tell me what my agenda is. :lol:

nota bene said:
Someone who is a self-proclaimed medium is highly unlikely to be a Christian. Someone who encourages barbarism, has been charged with crimes against humanity, and has encouraged the sexual abuse of thousands of little kids definitely isn't either a "Christian" or a "Muslim," however he styles himself.
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Well, you've eliminated Mormonism and Catholicism in a single shot. You don't have the authority to strip anyone of their declared religion least of all based on nothing but their interpretation of said religion.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Because they are exercising their right to protest. If any protest is now considered a "potential terrorist threat" that says a lot about where our country is headed.
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What you seem to be doing is assuming that everyone in the entire OWS movement is a certain way. You are completely wrong and you know it. OWS is as you have told me made of different groups not any one group with the same ideology. Or are you going to deny your own assertions now? SO wouldnt it be possible for some of those groups to be someone that it would be wise to watch so that they do not blow up any bridges?


You cant have it both ways either OWS is made up of independent groups or it is not.
 
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Napoleon said:
The fact that both radical Christians and radical Muslims engage in abuses of basic human rights is not in dispute. I doubt anyone sits around quantifying victims of global actions of sectarian violence. Personally, I find the actions of the radical Christian terrorist group, the LRA, to be far more egregious. Kidnapping in the range of 100,000 children to serve as child soldiers and sex slaves is far worse than anything I can think of that a radical Muslim group has done.
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Ummm...

What does that have to do with PeteEU's characterization and comparison between the U.S.'s "radical Christians" and radical Islamics?

Let's face it...you can find religious and non-religious terrorist groups all over the world, but to somehow equate them with our own Christians is ludicrous. They aren't even in the same ballpark...let alone playing the same game.
 
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PeteEU said:
Sure....... that is why Oklahoma terror attack was prevented right?
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Oh yeah, they were monitoring McVeigh so closely that he had his own personal handler. Either ATF or FBI, he was working in concert with federal agents.
 
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Woman of privilege and beau charged with having bomb material in Greenwich Village apartment - NYPOST.com

The privileged daughter of a prominent city doctor, and her boyfriend — a Harvard grad and Occupy Wall Street activist — have been busted for allegedly having a cache of weapons and a bombmaking explosive in their Greenwich Village apartment.

Morgan Gliedman — who is nine-months pregnant — and her baby daddy, Aaron Greene, 31, also had instructions on making bombs, including a stack of papers with a cover sheet titled, “The Terrorist Encyclopedia,’’ sources told The Post yesterday
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OWS = Terrorists
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
What you seem to be doing is assuming that everyone in the entire OWS movement is a certain way. You are completely wrong and you know it. OWS is as you have told me made of different groups not any one group with the same ideology. Or are you going to deny your own assertions now? SO wouldnt it be possible for some of those groups to be someone that it would be wise to watch so that they do not blow up any bridges?


You cant have it both ways either OWS is made up of independent groups or it is not.
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Would it be possible that some churches might have an abortion bomber in it? Sure but why dont the FBI watch them.
 
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Mycroft said:
Let's face it...you can find religious and non-religious terrorist groups all over the world, but to somehow equate them with our own Christians is ludicrous. They aren't even in the same ballpark...let alone playing the same game.
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I think the sheer number of attacks on abortion providers alone proves the opposite.
 
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Napoleon said:
I think the sheer number of attacks on abortion providers alone proves the opposite.
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Really??

You said there were 2,849 murders "over the years". So...how many radical Islamic murders have there been "over the years"?

More? The same? Less?

Compare the numbers, dude.
 
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Mycroft said:
Really??
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Absolutely. You're far more likely to get whacked by a Christian extremist in this country than by an Islamic extremist.

Mycroft said:
You said there were 2,849 murders "over the years".
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No, I said there have collectively been 2,849 murders, attempted murders, arsons, etc. over the years.

Mycroft said:
So...how many radical Islamic murders have there been "over the years"?
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The number of attempts is far less.

Mycroft said:
Compare the numbers, dude.
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You initially asked for the number of attacks not the number of victims of those attacks. Just because one was more successful in terms of the number of bodies does not mean that the other is not more dangerous. Anti-choice Christian whackos have committed 2,849 acts of violence and aggression against abortion providers on American soil over the last 35 years or an average of 81 attacks per year; exponentially more than Al Qaeda.
 
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Complete and utter logic fail by TheDemSocialist here.
 
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Bronson said:
Woman of privilege and beau charged with having bomb material in Greenwich Village apartment - NYPOST.com



OWS = Terrorists
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So some random individual who had participated in OWS allegedly has bomb making materials (BTW, who here doesn't? And I don't mean for the specific reason to make a bomb, but that bombs can be made out of stuff people nominally have under their sinks) means that OWS is a terrorist organization?
 
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apdst said:
That's because most of the terrorism that has occured in the United States since the late 19th Century has come from Left wing social justice movements.
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...and your cite for this ridiculous claim is what?... I am not arguing the opposite, though the Oklahoma City bombing does quickly come to mind (and a long list of incidents of government using violence to put down peaceful protests, such as Kent State, Ludlow and the Pinkerton strike), I don't know what is true in this regard. However, just because you think something is true, that doesn't make it so....
 
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