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Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Own

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Opteron said:
Ic, I can understand if occupational licenses were public, like doctor's/dentist's etc. but more personal licenses like fishing/hunting licenses and gun permits shouldn't be made public I think.
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I agree with you. There is no compelling public interest to know who hunts or carries legally, if an individual steps out of bounds and commits a crime it's fair game. There is a reason to know whether people who hold the public trust such as doctors, lawyers, etc. are in good legal standing, not their private residence, but their pracitice site, etc.

Unfortunately this paper exploited the broad nature of freedom of information laws and abused the intent of such. This was a law meant to make government records transparent to the press by law, so that things couldn't be hidden by government employees in various agencies and positions. This abuse of that law was unexcusable.
 
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Wiseone said:
I didn't say there shouldn't be a response, the response has to be appropriate. Jamesrage up there talking about how he wants to endanger people is not the right kind of response
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Again...only appropriate if you believe that by posting the names of registered weapons owners they have put those people at risk and if so, then they are absolutely an enemy that must be dealt with adequately.
 
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VanceMack said:
Again...only appropriate if you believe that by posting the names of registered weapons owners they have put those people at risk and if so, then they are absolutely an enemy that must be dealt with adequately.
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No they aren't an enemy, they are some reporters trying to drum up attention and do a story they think is going to get people to use their news source. When you use words like enemy in this context you undermine the meaning of the word.

Again, do you want to endanger people? Do you really want to do that, think about it. What does it say about you?
 
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Wiseone said:
No they aren't an enemy, they are some reporters trying to drum up attention and do a story they think is going to get people to use their news source. When you use words like enemy in this context you undermine the meaning of the word.

Again, do you want to endanger people? Do you really want to do that, think about it. What does it say about you?
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AH...then surely if their actions did not engdanger the lives of gun owners, then the reciprocal action cant possibly be a threat to them. Now it is just a complementary breach of privacy.
 
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VanceMack said:
AH...then surely if their actions did not engdanger the lives of gun owners, then the reciprocal action cant possibly be a threat to them. Now it is just a complementary breach of privacy.
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But I agree that their actions did, it increased the danger to the people in that map from criminals AND the people not on the map because now they have a much better idea of who does and does not have a gun, in fact I made a whole topic about it. But still that does not justify endangering them in turn to wackos who may attempt property damage or assault them personally over these political issues
 
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Juiposa said:
Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?

And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated; the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.

The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
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This map didn't highlight people who own guns. It highlighted people who don't own guns; telling every scumbag in the area where the easy victims live. Those are the folks that should be pissed off; the ones that now have a big sign on their house saying, "rob me, rape me, kill me, because I'm totally defenseless".
 
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Ikari said:
While I understand that a lot of this could be public information, it shouldn't be published in this manner. We need to start reasserting our 4th amendment rights.
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Yeah, but it's ok for a private citizen to violate your constitutional rights.
 
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apdst said:
This map didn't highlight people who own guns. It highlighted people who don't own guns; telling every scumbag in the area where the easy victims live. Those are the folks that should be pissed off; the ones that now have a big sign on their house saying, "rob me, rape me, kill me, because I'm totally defenseless".
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Makes sense to me!

And maybe by doing this those advocates of 'no gun zones' will maybe for once in their lives really, truly, understand that by making a school 'gun free' you make it a target!

Hopefully, no none will be hurt as a result of this lesson.
 
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Juiposa said:
And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
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Bwaahaahaa!

They reaped what they had sown.

I love it when karma comes back around!

Bwaahaahaa!
 
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Wiseone said:
But I agree that their actions did, it increased the danger to the people in that map from criminals AND the people not on the map because now they have a much better idea of who does and does not have a gun, in fact I made a whole topic about it. But still that does not justify endangering them in turn to wackos who may attempt property damage or assault them personally over these political issues
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Then we disagree. Those that intentionally endangered firearm owners did so for cause and they will not stop. I dont think it makes a whole lot of sense hunting them down and beating the **** out of them but I DO think when you recognize you are at war (and make no mistake...this IS a war-Dianne Fienstein, Sen Schumer, this paper...they have very clearly announced their intention and that is the very definite and intentional attack of peoples 1,2, and 4th amendment rights) a very solid first return volley is to demonstrate just how easily that shoe can be placed on the other foot.
 
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I don't really agree with this guys actions and don't feel it's the right way to react to this. While I don't have any real sympathy for any of those at the outlet who had anything to do with the original "Story", there are a number of people that work there that have NOTHING to do with that story and are yet still posted up there. I felt the posting of gun permit holders info simply because they have a permit was wrong...and I think posting of employees of that outlets info simply because they're a part of that outlet is ALSO wrong. While the coincidental humor of the karmatic notion of their own tactics coming back to bite them in terms of those that actually had a hand in the story, overall I have issues with it.

Now, with that said...I am LESS bothered by this than the first case because I find the response to be more reasonable (while still being unreasonable) than the initial story.
 
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VanceMack said:
Then we disagree. Those that intentionally endangered firearm owners did so for cause and they will not stop. I dont think it makes a whole lot of sense hunting them down and beating the **** out of them but I DO think when you recognize you are at war (and make no mistake...this IS a war-Dianne Fienstein, Sen Schumer, this paper...they have very clearly announced their intention and that is the very definite and intentional attack of peoples 1,2, and 4th amendment rights) a very solid first return volley is to demonstrate just how easily that shoe can be placed on the other foot.
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Oh for ****s sake. Calling this a "war" is as absolutely ridiculous as suggesting there's a "War on Women" or any of the other phony "War on [blank]" rally cries that have been used over the years
 
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VanceMack said:
Then we disagree. Those that intentionally endangered firearm owners did so for cause and they will not stop. I dont think it makes a whole lot of sense hunting them down and beating the **** out of them but I DO think when you recognize you are at war (and make no mistake...this IS a war-Dianne Fienstein, Sen Schumer, this paper...they have very clearly announced their intention and that is the very definite and intentional attack of peoples 1,2, and 4th amendment rights) a very solid first return volley is to demonstrate just how easily that shoe can be placed on the other foot.
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When you speak with rhetoric like this its amazing you can't see why people are uncomfortable with people owning weapons. You can't go around talking about how there's a war on, how you want to put people in danger deliberately, how you wouldn't have a problem if that danger really did harm that person or their property, and all while using metaphors like "volley and war." You may not think it makes a whole lot of sense to hunt them down and beat them, but you have no issue with making it easier for someone who may want to. That's pretty messed up, and it doesn't speak to the responsibility the pro gun lobby gains they represent and have.

Guns are supposed to be to protect people with right? Yet here we have their biggest campaigns encouraging violence against these people. Way to throw your message straight out the window.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Oh for ****s sake. Calling this a "war" is as absolutely ridiculous as suggesting there's a "War on Women" or any of the other phony "War on [blank]" rally cries that have been used over the years
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Are you a gun owner? Have you heard the rhetoric leveled at gun owners (the incredibly vast majority of which are law abiding citizens) in the last two weeks and seen the stated intent of several senators? Which constitutional rights do you value and which would you fight to defend? Sorry...when senators start using the words forcibly confiscate...you have a problem.
 
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Wiseone said:
When you speak with rhetoric like this its amazing you can't see why people are uncomfortable with people owning weapons. You can't go around talking about how there's a war on, how you want to put people in danger deliberately, how you wouldn't have a problem if that danger really did harm that person or their property, and all while using metaphors like "volley and war." You may not think it makes a whole lot of sense to hunt them down and beat them, but you have no issue with making it easier for someone who may want to. That's pretty messed up, and it doesn't speak to the responsibility the pro gun lobby gains they represent and have.

Guns are supposed to be to protect people with right? Yet here we have their biggest campaigns encouraging violence against these people. Way to throw your message straight out the window.
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No one encouraged violence...quite the opposite. i in facts STATED beating the **** out of them was inappropriate. If the journalists intentionally put peoples lives at risk (as you yourself claim) and they have a very clear purpose, then a response in kind is MORE than fair. Its comical that you literally believe they should be able to say "hey...dont do that...that might put me in jeopardy" when that is precisely what THEY have done. Turnabout is CERTAINLY fair play.
 
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VanceMack said:
No one encouraged violence...quite the opposite. i in facts STATED beating the **** out of them was inappropriate. If the journalists intentionally put peoples lives at risk (as you yourself claim) and they have a very clear purpose, then a response in kind is MORE than fair. Its comical that you literally believe they should be able to say "hey...dont do that...that might put me in jeopardy" when that is precisely what THEY have done. Turnabout is CERTAINLY fair play.
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Firstly, you assume they are motivated by a desire to over turn the 2nd amendment or to further restrict gun rights. I haven't seen anything pointing towards that as a motivation, do you have any?

Secondly, if you believe that the reporters intentionally put people's lives at risk(again not proven it was intentional) and believe that doing the same in turn in fair play, that is ENCOURAGING VIOLENCE. You are making it easier for them to be the victims of violence just as they made it easier for gun owners and non gun owners to be the victims of violence. That is encouragement, or hell call it whatever you like but that's what you're doing or at least what you are supporting.

You have no morale grounds whatsoever to stand on, and you're just as bad as they are. Just because you believe in your politics doesn't justify doing something that's wrong, its wrong either way. Having a strong belief alone is not justification enough, because on the flip side of the coin is just as strong of a belief that's perhaps opposite of your own. So what is your argument, that its OK to encourage violence against people who have different political opinions?
 
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VanceMack said:
Are you a gun owner? Have you heard the rhetoric leveled at gun owners (the incredibly vast majority of which are law abiding citizens) in the last two weeks and seen the stated intent of several senators? Which constitutional rights do you value and which would you fight to defend? Sorry...when senators start using the words forcibly confiscate...you have a problem.
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Any senator who uses forcibly confiscate should be forcibly removed from office, brought to trial, and if convicted on perjury forcibly thrown behind bars.
 
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Wiseone said:
Firstly, you assume they are motivated by a desire to over turn the 2nd amendment or to further restrict gun rights. I haven't seen anything pointing towards that as a motivation, do you have any?

Secondly, if you believe that the reporters intentionally put people's lives at risk(again not proven it was intentional) and believe that doing the same in turn in fair play, that is ENCOURAGING VIOLENCE. You are making it easier for them to be the victims of violence just as they made it easier for gun owners and non gun owners to be the victims of violence. That is encouragement, or hell call it whatever you like but that's what you're doing or at least what you are supporting.

You have no morale grounds whatsoever to stand on, and you're just as bad as they are. Just because you believe in your politics doesn't justify doing something that's wrong, its wrong either way. Having a strong belief alone is not justification enough, because on the flip side of the coin is just as strong of a belief that's perhaps opposite of your own. So what is your argument, that its OK to encourage violence against people who have different political opinions?
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Why else would the newspaper print the identities of people who did nothing but arm themselves. Even sex offenders when posted have to do so on their own because of legal requirements, so basically the paper took it upon themselves to print people's identities for no illegal behavior against their consent with NO compelling interest to the community, just because they dared to exercise their rights.
 
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With as much money as the press makes off sitting outside people's homes and works and harassing them and their families, I really cannot draw a line anywhere here in favor of them. Has nothing to do with the issue du jour.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Why else would the newspaper print the identities of people who did nothing but arm themselves. Even sex offenders when posted have to do so on their own because of legal requirements, so basically the paper took it upon themselves to print people's identities for no illegal behavior against their consent with NO compelling interest to the community, just because they dared to exercise their rights.
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You haven't demonstrated that at all.
 
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Wiseone said:
You haven't demonstrated that at all.
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If they had the permit it was to have a firearm, they wouldn't need the permit if they didn't want to own the firearm. So yes.........those people posted in the paper article were choosing to exercise their rights and that's WHY the paper published their information.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
If they had the permit it was to have a firearm, they wouldn't need the permit if they didn't want to own the firearm. So yes.........those people posted in the paper article were choosing to exercise their rights and that's WHY the paper published their information.
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Simply stating it twice doesn't make it true. You don't know why the paper published that information, perhaps they have an anti-gun agenda, its not out of the realm of possible but just because it could be that doesnt mean it is absolutely that. You just really really want it to be that, which is why you don't care about having any facts to back up your opinion, because it fits into your rhetoric of victimhood.
 
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Wiseone said:
Simply stating it twice doesn't make it true. You don't know why the paper published that information, perhaps they have an anti-gun agenda, its not out of the realm of possible but just because it could be that doesnt mean it is absolutely that. You just really really want it to be that, which is why you don't care about having any facts to back up your opinion, because it fits into your rhetoric of victimhood.
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How about you disprove the papers intent then. What other possible reason would they have to publish that information except to embarrass people who own firearms?
 
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LaMidRighter said:
How about you disprove the papers intent then. What other possible reason would they have to publish that information except to embarrass people who own firearms?
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You want me to prove a negative? Maybe they just thought it was an interesting piece that would garner readers to their paper, it may be something that simple, we don't know either way at this point.

Either way, do you agree that's acceptable to put them in danger just as they did with everyone in those counties they mapped?
 
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Wiseone said:
You want me to prove a negative? Maybe they just thought it was an interesting piece that would garner readers to their paper, it may be something that simple, we don't know either way at this point.

Either way, do you agree that's acceptable to put them in danger just as they did with everyone in those counties they mapped?
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You keep saying we haven't proven it was political, you say there is no proof. The paper's staff justified it by saying they wanted to "inform people who may be uncomfortable that their neighbors might have a gun". Don't know how else that is to be taken, do you?
 
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