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NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

that is an interesting question coming from someone who thinks only the cops and criminals should be armed since you are on record as wanting to ban all private ownership of weapons meaning cops and criminals will still have them

WHO WILL PROTECT US FROM CRIMINALS AND WORSE YET=ROGUE POLICE OFFICERS

I am curious of the thought process behind putting armed guards in schools. It is not my opinion that we should put them there, I am curious as to why people feel that putting armed guards in schools is any different than a police officer on the street that we need to protect ourselves from.
 
I am curious of the thought process behind putting armed guards in schools. It is not my opinion that we should put them there, I am curious as to why people feel that putting armed guards in schools is any different than a police officer on the street that we need to protect ourselves from.

I can think of several reasons. Just one is drug dealers. Yes, Capster, there are 13-year old drug dealers and prostitutes who also go to school.
 
I am curious of the thought process behind putting armed guards in schools. It is not my opinion that we should put them there, I am curious as to why people feel that putting armed guards in schools is any different than a police officer on the street that we need to protect ourselves from.

I guess the thinking comes from me having studied active shooting scenarios and the mind set of the cowards who are active shooters combined with the fact that people who plan mass murder sprees are not going to be prevented by laws that threaten post-action punishment
 
I can think of several reasons. Just one is drug dealers. Yes, Capster, there are 13-year old drug dealers and prostitutes who also go to school.

Yes, but who would be there to protect the kids right to illegal search and seizure, or a guard that has a power trip... This is one reason many die hard gun owners use to justify the ownership of firearms. So we don't want to live in a society where the citizens are disarmed and the government is armed, but we are willing to send our children to schools with armed police and no protection. That seems a bit contradictory.
 
Yes, but who would be there to protect the kids right to illegal search and seizure, or a guard that has a power trip... This is one reason many die hard gun owners use to justify the ownership of firearms. So we don't want to live in a society where the citizens are disarmed and the government is armed, but we are willing to send our children to schools with armed police and no protection. That seems a bit contradictory.

Kinda weird your thinking that kids need protection from their police resource officers. This isn't to say that those cops couldn't illegally search-and-seize or whack out, but can you point to examples that support your concern?
 
Yes, but who would be there to protect the kids right to illegal search and seizure, or a guard that has a power trip... This is one reason many die hard gun owners use to justify the ownership of firearms. So we don't want to live in a society where the citizens are disarmed and the government is armed, but we are willing to send our children to schools with armed police and no protection. That seems a bit contradictory.

your posts become more and more silly with that. the bottom line is that no threat of future punishment will deter someone who is intending to die by cop or commit suicide after perpetrating mass murder
 
Kinda weird your thinking that kids need protection from their police resource officers. This isn't to say that those cops couldn't illegally search-and-seize or whack out, but can you point to examples that support your concern?

Police are no different than any other human being. There are an equal number of mentally disturbed, shot tempered, egotistical police officers as there are in any other professional field. Correct? And in some cases, even worse than the normal population due to being desensiitized by what they face on the job daily. That is why we all need guns, to protect ourselves against the government. Is this not the line many gun owners use?
 
Police are no different than any other human being. There are an equal number of mentally disturbed, shot tempered, egotistical police officers as there are in any other professional field. Correct? And in some cases, even worse than the normal population due to being desensiitized by what they face on the job daily. That is why we all need guns, to protect ourselves against the government. Is this not the line many gun owners use?

that is an interesting claim given you want only cops and robbers to be armed and the rest of us at the mercy of both
 
Who is going to protect the children and adults from the armed guards? I mean, part of the reason people feel we need guns is to protect ourselves from the police and the government. Would protecting against armed guards not be in the same line of thinking.

lol ok......
 
Ok...but its not a few theres thousands and thousands and they are not trained security and teaching is their function not security...a few armed teachers is mostly useless

How is it useless? I'm sure they can practice and become efficient with a weapon, and that is why I said a select few. Because more than likely, some teachers already know how to use a firearm.
 
How is it useless? I'm sure they can practice and become efficient with a weapon, and that is why I said a select few. Because more than likely, some teachers already know how to use a firearm.

yeah my favorite teacher was an interesting fellow-he was reputed to be gay (maybe, I heard he later killed himself when someone "outed him") an intellectual (first in his class at Colorado College) a partier (drank his way out of Cornell) and a serious badass (army ranger). when I was on my way of becoming a world class shooter, he used to give me lots of advice on shooting. and when I got in the last fist fight (actually more a foot fight since i was pretty adept at TKD) he chewed me out for bad form even though I put a bully in the ER room. If someone came into our school with a gun this guy probably would have killed the shooter with a bic pen.
 
I'd scoff except that I actually once knew someone who could do just that--kill someone with a Bic pen, I mean. Sixth degree blackbelt at 18.
 
yeah my favorite teacher was an interesting fellow-he was reputed to be gay (maybe, I heard he later killed himself when someone "outed him") an intellectual (first in his class at Colorado College) a partier (drank his way out of Cornell) and a serious badass (army ranger). when I was on my way of becoming a world class shooter, he used to give me lots of advice on shooting. and when I got in the last fist fight (actually more a foot fight since i was pretty adept at TKD) he chewed me out for bad form even though I put a bully in the ER room. If someone came into our school with a gun this guy probably would have killed the shooter with a bic pen.

I'm sure there are plenty of teachers who are ex-military, who are hunters, or whatever and are already proficient in the use of a firearm.
 
I'm sure there are plenty of teachers who are ex-military, who are hunters, or whatever and are already proficient in the use of a firearm.

lots though I think private schools tend to have more such people than the more regimented public schools.
 
lots though I think private schools tend to have more such people than the more regimented public schools.

I wouldn't know. Public school kid here. :mrgreen:
 
I wouldn't know. Public school kid here. :mrgreen:

my condolences :mrgreen:

we had teachers who DID NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS--they didn't have TEACHING DEGREES

they had masters from Harvard, Williams, and a couple had doctorates from Columbia

IN THE SUBJECTS They taught

go figure!!

they also weren't afraid to throw you through a panel of drywall if you were a jerk (personal experience!) because they knew the parents would back them up rather than scream for a lawyer

and they didn't wig out when (it was an all boys school when I started) kids knives in their pockets or some of us seniors had shotguns in our cars (the club next to the football field had a skeet range and many of us were members and the village had a gun club that most of the residents belonged to)

despite all these "disadvantages" my graduating class of about 50 sent a bunch of us to Ivies (3 Brown, 3 Cornell, 3 Columbia and one to Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, and me to Yale), , 10 to equivalents (Stanford,, MIT, Williams, Amherst, Smith, Duke, CT Wesleyan, Vassar).
 
my condolences :mrgreen:

we had teachers who DID NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS--they didn't have TEACHING DEGREES

they had masters from Harvard, Williams, and a couple had doctorates from Columbia

IN THE SUBJECTS They taught

go figure!!

they also weren't afraid to throw you through a panel of drywall if you were a jerk (personal experience!) because they knew the parents would back them up rather than scream for a lawyer

and they didn't wig out when (it was an all boys school when I started) kids knives in their pockets or some of us seniors had shotguns in our cars (the club next to the football field had a skeet range and many of us were members and the village had a gun club that most of the residents belonged to)

despite all these "disadvantages" my graduating class of about 50 sent a bunch of us to Ivies (3 Brown, 3 Cornell, 3 Columbia and one to Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, and me to Yale), , 10 to equivalents (Stanford,, MIT, Williams, Amherst, Smith, Duke, CT Wesleyan, Vassar).

Well, I'm the girl from the wrong side of the tracks! :lol:

What I bolded: This stuff went on in public school too. I had a teacher who once threw a desk at a kid. He didn't get fired either. I don't know if he was disciplined in another way or not.

I also had another teacher that would whip a piece of a chalk at your head if you looked like you were spacing out. Then, there was my 3rd-grade teacher who used to squeeze my cheeks with her long fingernails so hard that she would leave marks on my face.
 
Well, I'm the girl from the wrong side of the tracks! :lol:

What I bolded: This stuff went on in public school too. I had a teacher who once threw a desk at a kid. He didn't get fired either. I don't know if he was disciplined in another way or not.

I also had another teacher that would whip a piece of a chalk at your head if you looked like you were spacing out. Then, there was my 3rd-grade teacher who used to squeeze my cheeks with her long fingernails so hard that she would leave marks on my face.

I like the chalk

in one teacher's room was a poster of DYLAN THOMAS. I went in there one day and saw a few dozen holes and I asked our teacher why the holes

He said well Mr V was a baseball star at columbia-played AA ball a couple years before he messed up his knee and Jay (the class clown) sits under that poster. Jay's got real fast reflexes (he was the number two shooter behind me on the trap and skeet club team) so when Mr V throws chalk at him he lifts up the desk top and the chalk deflects into the poster!!
 
How is it useless? I'm sure they can practice and become efficient with a weapon, and that is why I said a select few. Because more than likely, some teachers already know how to use a firearm.

Chris, how do you choose and who chooses which teacher gets armed and which does not...isnt a teachers primary concern teaching ? not security. A teacher with a gun is only good in the room hes teaching in ...if he or she hears gunfire you cant leave a classroom with 30+ 6 yr olds to scout out where the gunfire is coming from.....you are also confusing being trained with a firearm and being trained in security...they are two different things...you dont have a cop a gun and say here now you know security...Trained armed security...not armed trained educators.
 
I like the chalk

in one teacher's room was a poster of DYLAN THOMAS. I went in there one day and saw a few dozen holes and I asked our teacher why the holes

He said well Mr V was a baseball star at columbia-played AA ball a couple years before he messed up his knee and Jay (the class clown) sits under that poster. Jay's got real fast reflexes (he was the number two shooter behind me on the trap and skeet club team) so when Mr V throws chalk at him he lifts up the desk top and the chalk deflects into the poster!!

That's awesome! :lol:
 
Chris, how do you choose and who chooses which teacher gets armed and which does not...isnt a teachers primary concern teaching ? not security. A teacher with a gun is only good in the room hes teaching in ...if he or she hears gunfire you cant leave a classroom with 30+ 6 yr olds to scout out where the gunfire is coming from.....you are also confusing being trained with a firearm and being trained in security...they are two different things...you dont have a cop a gun and say here now you know security...Trained armed security...not armed trained educators.

I don't WHY you are so afraid of teachers and guns. If someone has military experience, they most certainly have the experience necessary. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, I'll bet there are some security guards who have MUCH LESS experience than someone who has served. IMO, it is a GOOD idea. If the principal of that school had been armed, she could have shot that DB and put an END to that massacre, but she was UNARMED when she tried to dive at him to stop him. What a shame!!! Some of those kids lives could have been SPARED if someone had a gun!
 
my condolences :mrgreen:

we had teachers who DID NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS--they didn't have TEACHING DEGREES

they had masters from Harvard, Williams, and a couple had doctorates from Columbia

IN THE SUBJECTS They taught

go figure!!

they also weren't afraid to throw you through a panel of drywall if you were a jerk (personal experience!) because they knew the parents would back them up rather than scream for a lawyer

and they didn't wig out when (it was an all boys school when I started) kids knives in their pockets or some of us seniors had shotguns in our cars (the club next to the football field had a skeet range and many of us were members and the village had a gun club that most of the residents belonged to)

despite all these "disadvantages" my graduating class of about 50 sent a bunch of us to Ivies (3 Brown, 3 Cornell, 3 Columbia and one to Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, and me to Yale), , 10 to equivalents (Stanford,, MIT, Williams, Amherst, Smith, Duke, CT Wesleyan, Vassar).

This is true of the school from which I was graduated too. Hope somebody with facts on the number of male teachers vis-a-vis public vs. private schools will way in. In my observation, teachers at private schools generally are paid less (but as I say, I'm not well informed these days). I can say that when one of my kids attended a private school, I was seriously pressured to join the faculty and for free simply because I had the credentials.
 
I don't WHY you are so afraid of teachers and guns. If someone has military experience, they most certainly have the experience necessary. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, I'll bet there are some security guards who have MUCH LESS experience than someone who has served. IMO, it is a GOOD idea. If the principal of that school had been armed, she could have shot that DB and put an END to that massacre, but she was UNARMED when she tried to dive at him to stop him. What a shame!!! Some of those kids lives could have been SPARED if someone had a gun!

Im not afraid of anything chris...and ive done all Im willing to do to explain my perspective...you have come to your own conclusions and you seem to believe you know all about arming teachers and security and thats fine :)
 
Im not afraid of anything chris...and ive done all Im willing to do to explain my perspective...you have come to your own conclusions and you seem to believe you know all about arming teachers and security and thats fine :)

Do you feel nervous about being shot when you go into a bank with an armed security guard? How about the airport? High-end stores also sometimes hire armed security. There are armed people all around us already. You just don't know it. Same thing with at the schools. I don't see any logical arguments against it at all. Just ridiculous hyperbole. :lamo
 
Another thing is that there are already some inner city high schools (the worst of the worst) which have armed security (whether that be the police or just security guards). Heard of any cops or security guards who work in schools freaking out and going on a killing spree?
 
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