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Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

I've posted enough that I'll assume you are aware that a) I don't own a gun because I don't trust me b) I have a non-lethal weapon in multiple locations around my house c) I'm not "anti-gun.

That being reiterated, I want to ask what purpose guns have if you have to keep them locked up? Surely, in the middle of a home invasion, you're not going to run to the gun safe, enter 27 left 24 right 14 left flip the handle, open remove from rack, aim and fire. You're going to want the gun(s) highly accessible, loaded and ready to go. But once you arrange that, any body else can easily take them. A thief, a visitor, your grandkid Charlie etc.

So, how do you handle this? Inquiring minds etc.......

Technology has stepped in on this one with biometric keys (thumbprint typically). Takes about the same time as it does to open a drawer next to the bed.
 
You said at his age he is capable of doing such a task. Not that he might be, or that he has the potential to be, but that he is capable. The clear implication is that you were stating a generality. If that's not what you meant, that's fine.

In post after post I made it clear I was not talking about all children his age. I also made it clear I was talking about possible capabilities of that age group.
 
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So, now my question becomes "how many here use biometric controls as your main form of gun security?"


Technology has stepped in on this one with biometric keys (thumbprint typically). Takes about the same time as it does to open a drawer next to the bed.
 
I tell ya, all of these nut jobs are coming out of the woodwork.
His parents should do some time for this if the gun was found to come from the home.

Ohh, and this doesnt surprise me coming from "UTAH".


Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school | The Salt Lake Tribune


A sixth-grade Utah boy was in police custody late Monday after bringing a handgun to school, reportedly so that he could defend himself in the event of an attack, Granite School District officials said.
"He has alluded in his defense that he brought it as a way to defend himself and his friends if there was a Connecticut-style incident at the school," district spokesman Ben Horsley said.

11-12 year old boy knows that he cannot take a weapon to school
only exception is if he arrived on a short bus
 
An 11-year-old's brain is 10-11 years from being fully cooked. Many scientists believe that critical decision-making skills aren't fully developed until age 25. An 11-year-old is still looking for monsters under his bed, for God's sake.

Really? What the ****'s the matter with people??

They cannot accept anything that challenges their "belief system" no matter how practical logical or reasonable. If what the boy said was accurate where do you think he got that from and why did he think he had the right or responsiblity to do what it is reported that he did?

As you said his brain is still developing and will not reach its full growth until about age 18. Children mimic the attitudes and opinions of their parents. They want to be like them and so adopt these things which the parents are most passionate about. His future personality is being developed by his surrounding and those people in them.

IS this the way we want children to think or believe?
 
Really. We're going to have a discussion about my post??

If you think an 11-year-old who brings a gun to school is right, that's on you. I think it's wrong. If you think parents are right to have guns readily accessible to their 11-year-olds so they can take them to school, that's on you too. If you think an 11-year-old is mature enough to be some kind of a guardian to his fellow students by using his gun? Well, post that up and that'll be the second dumbest post I've read on DP.

Again, gotta defend it as much as possible. No holes or exceptions allowed. Not your his.
 
IS this the way we want children to think or believe?

If you're talking about kids being made aware that the time may come when they have to be responsible for their safety or that of another person then you're doggone right we want them to think that way.

But somehow or other I don't get the impression that's what you meant.
 
Kudos to his mom and pop for bringing up a smart kid. Kid is worthy of an applause or imitation

That is really sick. Just plain sick. So parents should encourage this behavior and see their kids go to Juve hall or worse? Yez

The kid should be left alone andd the parents put in jail unfortunately being stupid and delusional is not yet a crime
 
no, it was really dumb/ignorant on his and his parents part. And you want an applause him now for having a record. I thought conservatives where all about law.
Perhaps its just the laws that they agree with

Exactly. WHy do gunnies take guns into areas which have legally posted no gun signs? Ego Arrogance or are they of the belief that they only have to obey laws they agree with. Sounds like another group I can name who the gunnies say they are protecting us from.
 
I've posted enough that I'll assume you are aware that a) I don't own a gun because I don't trust me b) I have a non-lethal weapon in multiple locations around my house c) I'm not "anti-gun.

That being reiterated, I want to ask what purpose guns have if you have to keep them locked up? Surely, in the middle of a home invasion, you're not going to run to the gun safe, enter 27 left 24 right 14 left flip the handle, open remove from rack, aim and fire. You're going to want the gun(s) highly accessible, loaded and ready to go. But once you arrange that, any body else can easily take them. A thief, a visitor, your grandkid Charlie etc.

So, how do you handle this? Inquiring minds etc.......

Forget the gun and use the weapons around your house that can do damage or kill if they are needed for true defense. take a home defense course. Keep the gun lock so its ready to take to the range. Maybe not the answer your looking for but its one
 
11-12 year old boy knows that he cannot take a weapon to school
only exception is if he arrived on a short bus

Another uninformed post. SHort bus? Really. ......................
 
I just really hope this wasn't some gun-nut couple who decided to use this opportunity and their 11 year old son to challenge school gun restrictions. It's not going to work out for them.
 
Apparently my question is misunderstood. I don't have, don't need, don't want a gun. I'm extremely well defended and have iron bars, gates and a mish-mash of weapons that aren't guns. I'm over-protected.

My question was addressed to gun owners. After all the defense of guns, all the criticism of the terrible events etc. I want to know if guns are locked away (useless for defense) or readily available (subject to theft or misuse). The suggestion was made of biometric safety locks so I asked if anybody actually used these (seems like the only safe approach to have a gun handy).

I expected multiple replies but all I got so far is your telling me how to handle MY security. That's not the subject.

My question to all gun owners still stands.





Forget the gun and use the weapons around your house that can do damage or kill if they are needed for true defense. take a home defense course. Keep the gun lock so its ready to take to the range. Maybe not the answer your looking for but its one

Probably costs a pretty penny too.
 
Probably costs a pretty penny too.

A quick search yields five models right at $200. Here's one on sale

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As for what solution I use - none. I don't keep a firearm.
 
Another uninformed post. SHort bus? Really. ......................

appears you choose to ignore reality
and that is your option to exercise

however, not for me
any 11/12 year old boy absolutely knows that weapons are something that cannot be taken to school
the only exception would be those who are of that pre-teen chronological age but with an intellect which does not match their years
so, if the kid arrived at school on a short bus, he gets a free pass
if not, book him dano
 
Apparently my question is misunderstood. I don't have, don't need, don't want a gun. I'm extremely well defended and have iron bars, gates and a mish-mash of weapons that aren't guns. I'm over-protected.

My question was addressed to gun owners. After all the defense of guns, all the criticism of the terrible events etc. I want to know if guns are locked away (useless for defense) or readily available (subject to theft or misuse). The suggestion was made of biometric safety locks so I asked if anybody actually used these (seems like the only safe approach to have a gun handy).

I expected multiple replies but all I got so far is your telling me how to handle MY security. That's not the subject.

My question to all gun owners still stands.

I'm one of those gun nuts with several weapons in the house and I have two small children. I keep the guns and ammo separate. I keep the shotgun on a rack in my walk in closet, and the .45 on top of my book shelf which is well over 7 feet tall. The ammo is in a hidden location even harder to get to than the guns. In the event that we needed the guns for protection, with adrenaline's help, I'm estimating that we could grab the guns and have them locked and loaded in less than a couple of minutes.
 
Isn't a couple of minutes a long, long time? In event of civil unrest, sure, you're in better shape than gunless folks like me but if your front door bursts open, well, that's apparently not what you're planning for. IMHO, you're protecting your family better by making the guns inaccessible to your offspring than you would be if you were prepared for an instant crisis.

I've even thought about buying a gun but leaving it with a trusted neighbor. Thats what I do with my pain pill collection. I don't want to make a decision and not have somebody question my decision. I find it easier to trust others than to trust myself....


I'm one of those gun nuts with several weapons in the house and I have two small children. I keep the guns and ammo separate. I keep the shotgun on a rack in my walk in closet, and the .45 on top of my book shelf which is well over 7 feet tall. The ammo is in a hidden location even harder to get to than the guns. In the event that we needed the guns for protection, with adrenaline's help, I'm estimating that we could grab the guns and have them locked and loaded in less than a couple of minutes.
 
While an 11 year old MAY be able to use and keep a gun safely we still dont want them bringing them to school. A bully could steal it etc, etc. It sets a precedence that not all kids may be able to follow. So much that could go wrong. Im am fine and dandy with teachers bringing guns to school though. They are their guardian after all during school hours.
 
I've posted enough that I'll assume you are aware that a) I don't own a gun because I don't trust me b) I have a non-lethal weapon in multiple locations around my house c) I'm not "anti-gun.

That being reiterated, I want to ask what purpose guns have if you have to keep them locked up? Surely, in the middle of a home invasion, you're not going to run to the gun safe, enter 27 left 24 right 14 left flip the handle, open remove from rack, aim and fire. You're going to want the gun(s) highly accessible, loaded and ready to go. But once you arrange that, any body else can easily take them. A thief, a visitor, your grandkid Charlie etc.

So, how do you handle this? Inquiring minds etc.......

They are either locked or on my hip. My heavy artillery is locked up seprate from power supplies that take some time to install. Anything I have to deal with that requires their use I will know about with advanced warning, and any idiot wont be able to assemble it and use it. My rifles and personal arms are locked in a gun safes with the munitions stored in a blast rated safes. My pistols are with me or near me with rare exception and there is a safe for them on the rare occasion I am without them.
 
You're arguing that 11 year olds are capable of defending themselves and others with deadly force. I'm pointing out that while that's true in narrow contexts, occassionally, it's a far cry from common, and if taken to its logical conclusion, leads to absurd and patently dangerous results.
They used to routinely do just that, in a not too distant past. 13 was at one time considerd adulthood. I aint saying its a good thing just pointing out while it may be somewhat narrow now, it was not always the case.
 
So, now my question becomes "how many here use biometric controls as your main form of gun security?"

Biometric controls especially if the intruder is familier with the system used can be bipassed fairly easy. I dont use them because of that. I use electronic security in combination with mechanical security.
 
Isn't a couple of minutes a long, long time? In event of civil unrest, sure, you're in better shape than gunless folks like me but if your front door bursts open, well, that's apparently not what you're planning for. IMHO, you're protecting your family better by making the guns inaccessible to your offspring than you would be if you were prepared for an instant crisis.

I've even thought about buying a gun but leaving it with a trusted neighbor. Thats what I do with my pain pill collection. I don't want to make a decision and not have somebody question my decision. I find it easier to trust others than to trust myself....

Not really. If someone kicks the door down, at least we'll have a fighting chance. I'm not interested in delegating my family's safety to others. That is my job.
 
There are also hundreds of accidental deaths per year due to children playing with guns; and not just toddlers, sometimes kids in the age rage at issue here. WHile some individual children have managed to successfully defend themselves in emergency situations, that's a far cry from allowing an 11 year old to routinely carry a loaded weapon while at school and around quite a lot of other eleven year olds (also older and younger children), some of whom will probably want to bring their own guns to school. That is a recipe for disaster.
no, not hundreds......unless you have a link...
I just took the CWP class, and the instructor used FBI statistics to show that this issue is overblown by the media....
 
Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm making the assumption he got this gun from home. If a gun is available to a sixth-grader, the gun owner ought to be in jail. What the **** is wrong with people??

His logic stunk.
No Maggie.
"What the **** is wrong with people??"
Is exactly what I am thinking reading your reply.
It makes no sense what-so-ever, and is just emotive codswallop.

It isn't a criminal offense. Nor should it ever be.

Secondly you seem to be jumping to conclusions.

How did he get it?
Do you know if it was locked away and he had to break-in to get it or not?


Somebody's got to call out irrationality when it happens. Irrational, poorly thought through, emotional reactions led to irrational, poorly thought through, emotional ACTIONS. It is perfectly on topic to say that your interpretation of somebody's topic-related post is off base. It is also on topic to say your posts REGARDING THE TOPIC are off base.
Exactly!


A young child cannot be trusted to use a loaded gun unsupervised by an adult. If you think they can? God bless ya'.
Children that young were hunting unsupervised long before you were born.

It may have been a different day and age, but it should serve to show you that they are more than capable.
 
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