'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

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Zariak said:

Really, it's hard for the majority to understand. I'm only half-Asian, but that's enough for me to get perspective on both sides of the race argument. Whites really just don't understand because they will usually NEVER have the experience of being the minority.

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Actually White people have often been in the minority, as they are now in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and elsewhere.

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Most people are the far left aren't really against "racism" per se, they're against the strong using their strength against the weak.

I'm 32 years old. I was raised and told repeatedly not to judge people on the basis of their skin color, that racism was bad, etc. Now, as a 32 year old that doesn't hate the 'strong' (rich, majority, whatever), I find myself sometimes being called racist because I really don't care about the color of people's skins. I'm not going to be nicer to you because you're a minority or black or whatever. I just honestly don't give a **** whatsoever. That's how I was raised: not to judge people on the basis of their race. Apparently, there was an encoded message there that I was supposed to also get: support the weaker party no matter what. Well, I don't. If a poor black woman runs a red light and kills someone, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt while I push to prosecute a rich white guy that did the same thing. I just don't care.

To some people, that's 'racist'. Oh well.

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OldWorldOrder said:

Most people are the far left aren't really against "racism" per se, they're against the strong using their strength against the weak.

I'm 32 years old. I was raised and told repeatedly not to judge people on the basis of their skin color, that racism was bad, etc. Now, as a 32 year old that doesn't hate the 'strong' (rich, majority, whatever), I find myself sometimes being called racist because I really don't care about the color of people's skins. I'm not going to be nicer to you because you're a minority or black or whatever. I just honestly don't give a **** whatsoever. That's how I was raised: not to judge people on the basis of their race. Apparently, there was an encoded message there that I was supposed to also get: support the weaker party no matter what. Well, I don't. If a poor black woman runs a red light and kills someone, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt while I push to prosecute a rich white guy that did the same thing. I just don't care.

To some people, that's 'racist'. Oh well.

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Actually Martin Luther King made a very deservedly famous wish similar to your own, well before you were born.

His words and his Dream have been forgotten or ignored by many Leftists because it is to their advantage to make religion and race political issues.

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Zariak said:

Really, it's hard for the majority to understand. I'm only half-Asian, but that's enough for me to get perspective on both sides of the race argument. Whites really just don't understand because they will usually NEVER have the experience of being the minority.

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You should read about the beautiful life the whites had in south africa after apartheid ended. And still do. Thousands of muders, rapes and illegal taking of lands by the government. Ah, those are yearly.

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Grant said:

Actually Martin Luther King made a very deservedly famous wish similar to your own, well before you were born.

His words and his Dream have been forgotten or ignored by many Leftists because it is to their advantage to make religion and race political issues.

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It's not even just that, although you're right with regards to some people. It also has to do with the idea of fairness (this article is quite good: Obama, Romney and the War to Define Fairness, Moral Vision of America | TIME.com) and Nietzsche's idea of 'slave morality'. Some people just always root for the underdog, while other people appreciate that that adds excitement to sporting events and movies, but is incredibly impractical in real life. You're just always gonna root for the weaker party until....it becomes the stronger party, and then switch sides again? WTF? No, just apply standards consistently across the board, regardless of race, income, strength, whatever.

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OldWorldOrder said:

It's not even just that, although you're right with regards to some people. It also has to do with the idea of fairness (this article is quite good: Obama, Romney and the War to Define Fairness, Moral Vision of America | TIME.com) and Nietzsche's idea of 'slave morality'. Some people just always root for the underdog, while other people appreciate that that adds excitement to sporting events and movies, but is incredibly impractical in real life. You're just always gonna root for the weaker party until....it becomes the stronger party, and then switch sides again? WTF? No, just apply standards consistently across the board, regardless of race, income, strength, whatever.

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Life is not always fair, a trite but true cliche.

Success is not a White thing, it is a work thing when people enjoy the benefits of their work.

Not all White people are well off, nor are all Blacks or Asians poor.

What really changed the world was not the color of a persons skin but their religion, particularly the Protestant work ethic. In Europe, for centuries, Protestants did better than Catholics and, like many other less successful groups, the Catholics claimed prejudice. That was probably true but quite likely because they didn't share the same values embraced in the Protestant work ethic. Latin America is a good example of this.

No doubt, especially in the case of Blacks, there were ugly prejudices but any group embracing this ethic, though not necessarily the religion. will tend to do better.

At one time this was taught in schools and it should be once again.

The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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OldWorldOrder said:

It's not even just that, although you're right with regards to some people. It also has to do with the idea of fairness (this article is quite good: Obama, Romney and the War to Define Fairness, Moral Vision of America | TIME.com) and Nietzsche's idea of 'slave morality'. Some people just always root for the underdog, while other people appreciate that that adds excitement to sporting events and movies, but is incredibly impractical in real life. You're just always gonna root for the weaker party until....it becomes the stronger party, and then switch sides again? WTF? No, just apply standards consistently across the board, regardless of race, income, strength, whatever.

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Thanks for the article, btw. It was very interesting.

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Rainman05 said:

You should read about the beautiful life the whites had in south africa after apartheid ended. And still do. Thousands of muders, rapes and illegal taking of lands by the government. Ah, those are yearly.

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Is it anything like the beautiful life blacks had in SA, since colonial times? Up until what? the 80's or 90's? Not that this excuses the horrors going on today, but it does add much needed perspective.

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Blackdog said:

Is it anything like the beautiful life blacks had in SA, since colonial times? Up until what? the 80's or 90's? Not that this excuses the horrors going on today, but it does add much needed perspective.

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Perhaps it does indeed offer a broad context. But didn't we have this discussion before? About what happens when people have no rights, and thus, there is nothing to legally break by abusing those people... and when people DO have rights and how breaking them it is illegal and condemnable... yet nobody is condemned or prosecuted. And how the latter is worse than the former because it means that the majority of the people there, who empower the government, decided, basically, to do a form of genocide?

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Rainman05 said:

Perhaps it does indeed offer a broad context. But didn't we have this discussion before? About what happens when people have no rights, and thus, there is nothing to legally break by abusing those people... and when people DO have rights and how breaking them it is illegal and condemnable... yet nobody is condemned or prosecuted. And how the latter is worse than the former because it means that the majority of the people there, who empower the government, decided, basically, to do a form of genocide?

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Yes we did and your opinion as I recall was just that. Unjust is unjust no matter if it is legal or not. I know a few Jewish folks who were persicuted in Germany. Most of the people involved or considered resposible were imprisoned and hung even though it was perfectly legal. What does this tell us?

You can't use the law to somehow justify hundreds of years worth of oppresion and injustice.

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Blackdog said:

Yes we did and your opinion as I recall was just that. Unjust is unjust no matter if it is legal or not. I know a few Jewish folks who were persicuted in Germany. Most of the people involved or considered resposible were imprisoned and hung even though it was perfectly legal. What does this tell us?

You can't use the law to somehow justify hundreds of years worth of oppresion and injustice.

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I'm not justifying anything what so ever.

I do however perceive that the only way in which "all men are equal" notion works is in the face of the law. And yes, in the US, up until 150 years ago slaves were considered unequal. But that is because they were slaves. Black people were slave owners too. There were very large slave owners of blacks who they themselves were black.

But that was the case all OVER the world until European colonial powers abolished slavery in all their colonies in the beginning of the XIXth century. In India, since the dawn of time, there was a caste system. It is not a British invention. Only the structure of the caste system changed. Hindu religion in fact is the creator of the caste system. SO there was always inequality there. In Africa, you had slavery for milleniums before the European colonial powers and had it even after in certain parts where European nations had little or no influence. In Asia, china was a slave state until the nationalist revolution in the beginning of the XXth century. Japan was a slave state until the Meiji revolution which only happened because of western influences.

Slavery and inequality in the face of the law was, and still is, the default status in the world. It is because of powerful nations who promoted the idea of equality in the face of the law that this sort of thing is rare in the world. This may give us the impression that it is how the world is by default, but it isn't.

And this is why it is upsetting in South Africa. Because although it is a nation who is part of the Commonwealth, although it is a nation who aspires to westernization and prosperity, it is a nation who actively opposes offering equal rights to all its citizen and equal protection under the law. It seems to be a cycle. Sure, 30years ago, until Apartheid ended, it was a white minority denying those things to a black majority. Note, that the africans there weren't slaves. They were just second class citizens. If you were white, and you killed a black man, you would get prosecuted. You may not get sentenced all that often, but you did suffer penality in the face of the law because murder was illegal. But now, there are thousands of crimes happening against whites, who are same class of citizens as the blacks in South Africa, and NOBODY is even bothered to prosecute those blacks who do the crimes.

That is the only point I'm making.

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Rainman05 said:

I'm not justifying anything what so ever.

I do however perceive that the only way in which "all men are equal" notion works is in the face of the law. And yes, in the US, up until 150 years ago slaves were considered unequal. But that is because they were slaves. Black people were slave owners too. There were very large slave owners of blacks who they themselves were black.

But that was the case all OVER the world until European colonial powers abolished slavery in all their colonies in the beginning of the XIXth century. In India, since the dawn of time, there was a caste system. It is not a British invention. Only the structure of the caste system changed. Hindu religion in fact is the creator of the caste system. SO there was always inequality there. In Africa, you had slavery for milleniums before the European colonial powers and had it even after in certain parts where European nations had little or no influence. In Asia, china was a slave state until the nationalist revolution in the beginning of the XXth century. Japan was a slave state until the Meiji revolution which only happened because of western influences.

Slavery and inequality in the face of the law was, and still is, the default status in the world. It is because of powerful nations who promoted the idea of equality in the face of the law that this sort of thing is rare in the world. This may give us the impression that it is how the world is by default, but it isn't.

And this is why it is upsetting in South Africa. Because although it is a nation who is part of the Commonwealth, although it is a nation who aspires to westernization and prosperity, it is a nation who actively opposes offering equal rights to all its citizen and equal protection under the law. It seems to be a cycle. Sure, 30years ago, until Apartheid ended, it was a white minority denying those things to a black majority. Note, that the africans there weren't slaves. They were just second class citizens. If you were white, and you killed a black man, you would get prosecuted. You may not get sentenced all that often, but you did suffer penality in the face of the law because murder was illegal. But now, there are thousands of crimes happening against whites, who are same class of citizens as the blacks in South Africa, and NOBODY is even bothered to prosecute those blacks who do the crimes.

That is the only point I'm making.

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I see your point, but it just does not matter. Most people find it hard to cry for people who let this system exist for far to long. I mean it only ended after sanctions etc from most of the world helped end it. How many men women and children died directly as a result of the minoritys unequal system?

Again kind of hard to get upset when seen for what it was.

Have no idea what being a slave had to do with it.

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Blackdog said:

I see your point, but it just does not matter. Most people find it hard to cry for people who let this system exist for far to long. I mean it only ended after sanctions etc from most of the world helped end it. How many men women and children died directly as a result of the minoritys unequal system?

Again kind of hard to get upset when seen for what it was.

Have no idea what being a slave had to do with it.

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ok.

Since I don't have much to say which has already been covered in that previous discussion... i think... I don't see the point of reigniting it.
It will be the same old same old. I guess you just come from a different when discussing this and aren't willing to answer the question based on principles of governing... but rather from a place of payback.

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Rainman05 said:

ok.

Since I don't have much to say which has already been covered in that previous discussion... i think... I don't see the point of reigniting it.
It will be the same old same old. I guess you just come from a different when discussing this and aren't willing to answer the question based on principles of governing... but rather from a place of payback.

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like I said injustice is injustice backed by law or not. I mean does it make any sense to discuss what happened to the Jews in Germany? Even though it did not "legally break anything by abusing the people."

I also mentioned it does not excuse what is happening in any way. This goes for what happened to the black Africans as well.

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Blackdog said:

like I said injustice is injustice backed by law or not. I mean does it make any sense to discuss what happened to the Jews in Germany? Even though it did not "legally break anything by abusing the people."

I also mentioned it does not excuse what is happening in any way. This goes for what happened to the black Africans as well.

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The jews in germany were in the same boat as whites in south africa are today. Ofc, back then, the german people were under a totalitarian regime too... and had to give up rights too, but today, the blacks in south africa are not under a totalitarian regime but under a democratic republic and live in a free state.

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Rainman05 said:

The jews in germany were in the same boat as whites in south africa are today. Ofc, back then, the german people were under a totalitarian regime too... and had to give up rights too, but today, the blacks in south africa are not under a totalitarian regime but under a democratic republic and live in a free state.

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That is such utter crap, I am not even going to respond to that nonsense. :roll: Then again I have gone through a few of your posts. Your theme of the "oppressed white man" still rings with it's racist overtones loud and clear.

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Blackdog said:

That is such utter crap, I am not even going to respond to that nonsense. :roll:

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Ah, you don't like the comparison. Tough luck.

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Rainman05 said:

Ah, you don't like the comparison. Tough luck.

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Because it is fantasy nonsense. Comparing the blacks in south Africa to Nazi's and the Jews to modern whites in south Africa is so over the top, it is just laughable. Nothing redeeming at all to discuss.

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Blackdog said:

Because it is fantasy nonsense. Comparing the blacks in south Africa to Nazi's and the Jews to modern whites in south Africa is so over the top, it is just laughable. Nothing redeeming at all to discuss.

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Ok. Then why did you want to discuss the jews in nazi germany for?

Were they not citizens? Yes they were. Were they second class citizens? No they weren't, not at first. They were persecuted after the nazi regime came into power.
Are whites not citizens in SA? Yes they are. Are they second class citizens? No they aren't. Are they persecuted by the people and the government? Yes they are.
Were blacks before apartheid citizens in SA? Not really. Were they second class citizens? Yes they were. Were they persecuted before apartheid? If you consider being treated as a second class citizen persecution, then yes. I do consider it a form of persecution and so, I say yes.

So you see, whites are in the same boat as jews were in nazi germany. It is just that the form of persecution varies, but it is the same principle. The boat is just smaller. And it is a modern boat in relatively peaceful times... not a 70yrs old boat during those dark and chaotic days.

You just don't want to admit that the comparison is valid. Also, I am not calling the blacks in SA as nazis.

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Rainman05 said:

Ok. Then why did you want to discuss the jews in nazi germany for?

Were they not citizens? Yes they were. Were they second class citizens? No they weren't, not at first. They were persecuted after the nazi regime came into power.
Are whites not citizens in SA? Yes they are. Are they second class citizens? No they aren't. Are they persecuted by the people and the government? Yes they are.
Were blacks before apartheid citizens in SA? Not really. Were they second class citizens? Yes they were. Were they persecuted before apartheid? If you consider being treated as a second class citizen persecution, then yes. I do consider it a form of persecution and so, I say yes.

So you see, whites are in the same boat as jews were in nazi germany. It is just that the form of persecution varies, but it is the same principle. The boat is just smaller. And it is a modern boat in relatively peaceful times... not a 70yrs old boat during those dark and chaotic days.

You just don't want to admit that the comparison is valid. Also, I am not calling the blacks in SA as nazis.

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Now you are just being silly. You know exactly what I meant and was correct. Your comparison is just again, laughable. Sorry, no time for racist silliness and moronic comparisons that do not apply. :2wave:

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Blackdog said:

Now you are just being silly. You know exactly what I meant and was correct. Your comparison is just again, laughable. Sorry, no time for racist silliness and moronic comparisons that do not apply. :2wave:

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See. I try to understand your perspective, because I write things exactly as I see it. You just... don't. Either because you realize your perspective is non-sense or because you know its undefendable now that you read what I wrote.

Anyway, have fun. And Happy new year.

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Zariak said:

Really, it's hard for the majority to understand. I'm only half-Asian, but that's enough for me to get perspective on both sides of the race argument. Whites really just don't understand because they will usually NEVER have the experience of being the minority.

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I'd say I'm in the minority. Namely, it's the minority who can understand math and logical reasoning well. You don't have to deal with feeling like most people can't analyze or reason worth a crap.

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Blackdog said:

That is such utter crap, I am not even going to respond to that nonsense. :roll: Then again I have gone through a few of your posts. Your theme of the "oppressed white man" still rings with it's racist overtones loud and clear.

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almost as loud and clear as your theme of the poor stigmatized black man

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OscarB63 said:

almost as loud and clear as your theme of the poor stigmatized black man

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Cheap unrelated shots all you got? :doh

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Rainman05 said:

See. I try to understand your perspective, because I write things exactly as I see it. You just... don't. Either because you realize your perspective is non-sense or because you know its undefendable now that you read what I wrote.

Anyway, have fun. And Happy new year.

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I understand your perspective this however does not mean I agree. It also does not make it correct or even remotely true. I mean you are the one that said if it does not hurt anything it's OK to abuse people. You compared Jews to white south Africans and the blacks to Nazi's.

No it has nothing at all to do with anything other than your position is completely asinine.