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'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

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Rocketman said:
It did not directly, my great grandparents were moonshiners during prohitbition, no effect.
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I'm not sure what effect the moonshiner comment is supposed to have, but:

1) Do you live in the United States, rather than in a British Colony?

2) Do you live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, religion, assembly, press, and the right to bear arms, by constitutional ammendment?

3) Do you live in a wealthy country, that is partly wealthy because it emerged from WWII as a superpower?

If you live in the U.s., you are affected by the American Revolutionary war, even though you did not directly experience it. The above questions are just the bare basics. Surely you can think of many thousands of ways your life would likely be rather different if the Revolutionary war had never happened...
 
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Napoleon said:
Most people? I don't think so.
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Well, perhaps due to lack of backbone...but then again, they'd hardly be leaders then.

Napoleon said:
What injustice would that be? There certainly wasn't injustice in the shooting of Timothy Thomas yet the reactions were calls for total anarchy, violence, and millions of dollars in damage to the city of Cincinnati.
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That there is one instance, or there are several instances, of justified use of force against black people that are perceived incorrectly doesn't address the point. It certainly doesn't mean there is no injustice against black people. I've posted already some links demonstrating as much.

Napoleon said:
I've heard enough from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to know its true.
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Again, this seems just to be an opinion. Can you actually point to some studies of the content of the public proclamations of those individuals that supports your view?

Napoleon said:
That riots happen isn't the point. Show me some black community leaders who actually called for these riots. You said:

Napoleon said:
The most prominent leaders in the black community LOVE stirring the pot. Their mantra is that you didn't get that job, you are poor, or you were arrested not because you didn't graduate from high school, take responsibility for your life, or commit a crime but because ol' racist whitey is at it again. And then there's a distorted earful of life for blacks 200 years ago and calls for a riot.
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To which I responded:

ashurbanipal said:
No doubt for every call for a riot that an African American leader makes, we could find a call for mass murder, assassinations, or other such by white supremacist groups. I don't see an army of angry white people killing blacks en masse, but I also don't see a bunch of black people rioting. I'll leave the point delicately unstated.
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Apparently I should have stated the point. Riots happen. So do assassinations of black leaders, murders or assaults of black people by white supremacist groups, and so on. However, our general experience isn't characterized by either. And more importantly, black leaders aren't calling for riots at any greater rate than white supremacists are calling for violence against blacks--and the black leaders who do call for riots are usually as marginalized as white supremacists are in white communities.

Napoleon said:
What ongoing injustice would that be?
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1) Economic inequality, almost surely a result of unconsciously biased hiring decisions.

2) Lack of access to equal education.

3) Dispropotionate incarceration of black people.

4) Health care inequality, leading to higher rates of mortality in black people.
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ashurbanipal said:
1) Economic inequality, almost surely a result of unconsciously biased hiring decisions.

2) Lack of access to equal education.

3) Dispropotionate incarceration of black people.

4) Health care inequality, leading to higher rates of mortality in black people.
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How are any of those injustices? Perhaps I just don't accept how you are using the word, but it would seem to me people have a right to hire who they want, access to education is largely up to the people involved and where they live or decide to place their children, incarceration rates have to do with crime rates, and healthcare access mostly deals with the people in play and nothing to do with race. Am I missing something?
 
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ashurbanipal said:
Well, perhaps due to lack of backbone...but then again, they'd hardly be leaders then.
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It takes more backbone to take ownership of your own failings than to fabricate a lie about racial considerations.


ashurbanipal said:
1) Economic inequality, almost surely a result of unconsciously biased hiring decisions.
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Actually, the result of a disregard for education. Blacks are more likely to drop out of high school and less likely to pursue a higher education and will therefore earn less.

ashurbanipal said:
2) Lack of access to equal education.
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Really? Where? Affirmative Action solved that problem and you're entitled to the education you earn.

ashurbanipal said:
3) Dispropotionate incarceration of black people.
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Because they commit more crimes.

ashurbanipal said:
4) Health care inequality, leading to higher rates of mortality in black people.
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There is no racially motivated healthcare inequality. All of these things boil down to education.
 
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ashurbanipal said:
You seem to have a habit of straw-manning me, which is usually characteristic of someone who knows they really cannot argue their position.

I did not say anything remotely like what you've said. Nor is what you said a consequence of my position.



No, you would not, according to my logic. If, however, 100 years ago, you and most of the members of whatever ethnic group to which you belong were enslaved, killed young, torn away from loved ones, treated with incredible brutality, etc. and then after being "freed," your people were discriminated against for decades, and kept from having the same opportunities as the people who had previously enslaved you, then you would be justified.

Unless you think that stealing a horse is morally equivalent to mass kidnapping, murder, genocide, and torture...
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keep on flailing dude. however you try to spin it...your position is that blacks are not responsible for anything and are justified in being racist due to the actions of people decades, if not centuries ago (most of whom are long dead).

as long as blacks keep living in the past and blaming dead people for their troubles of today...they will continue to be on the lower end of the socioeconimic ladder.
 
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ashurbanipal said:
I'm not sure what effect the moonshiner comment is supposed to have, but:

1) Do you live in the United States, rather than in a British Colony?

2) Do you live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, religion, assembly, press, and the right to bear arms, by constitutional ammendment?

3) Do you live in a wealthy country, that is partly wealthy because it emerged from WWII as a superpower?

If you live in the U.s., you are affected by the American Revolutionary war, even though you did not directly experience it. The above questions are just the bare basics. Surely you can think of many thousands of ways your life would likely be rather different if the Revolutionary war had never happened...
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It means just because my ancestors were moonshiners during prohibition does not mean I am one to break the law selling drugs or some other illegal substance.

Now follow along, because I think you are somewhat slow.

Just because black ancestors were slaves does not mean blacks today are incapable of finding success in life or even hindered while trying.
 
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Rocketman said:
It means just because my ancestors were moonshiners during prohibition does not mean I am one to break the law selling drugs or some other illegal substance.
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OK, I still don't get the relevance. The question was whether the American Revolutionary War affects you, even though you did not directly experience it. You and your erstwhile compatriots had been arguing that what happens in the past doesn't directly affect those who don't experience it. So...what is the point of the moonshine example?

Rocketman said:
Just because black ancestors were slaves does not mean blacks today are incapable of finding success in life or even hindered while trying.
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I never said that individual African Americans cannot find success. Obviously, they can. This does not mean that they experience the same levels of success that white Americans do.
 
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OscarB63 said:
however you try to spin it...your position is that blacks are not responsible for anything and are justified in being racist due to the actions of people decades, if not centuries ago (most of whom are long dead).
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Demonstrate, by syllogism, that these are consequences of anything I've written in this thread. I do believe that African Americans are not completely responsible for their situation generally. I believe they are justified in expressing the attitudes expressed by Jamie Foxx...which don't seem quite like racism to me. Or at least, it seems more subtle than that.
 
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OscarB63 said:
thanks for confirming everything I said in my post....outside of the "natural power" to move about...blacks are powerless victims of the evil white society :roll:
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Life is really going to suck when we whites become the minority.
 
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ashurbanipal said:
OK, I still don't get the relevance. The question was whether the American Revolutionary War affects you, even though you did not directly experience it. You and your erstwhile compatriots had been arguing that what happens in the past doesn't directly affect those who don't experience it. So...what is the point of the moonshine example?



I never said that individual African Americans cannot find success. Obviously, they can. This does not mean that they experience the same levels of success that white Americans do.
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And they should because why, have they been here as long?
 
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johnny_rebson said:
Life is really going to suck when we whites become the minority.
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I predict the collapse of society as those who are sucking off the govt teat increase in number to the point where the teat dries up and then they riot. I'm already stocking up on guns and ammo.
 
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OscarB63 said:
I predict the collapse of society as those who are sucking off the govt teat increase in number to the point where the teat dries up and then they riot. I'm already stocking up on guns and ammo.
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LOL. Classic conservative paranoia. I can't imagine what it's like to be so angry from listening to those ridiculous "news" outlets that spew hate and garbage, feeding that intense paranoid feeling that people are always out to take your stuff. We'll be just fine without you, buddy. Why don't you just hang out in your bomb shelter with your guns and canned food and we'll keep chugging along.

Sound good?
 
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whysoserious said:
LOL. Classic conservative paranoia. I can't imagine what it's like to be so angry from listening to those ridiculous "news" outlets that spew hate and garbage, feeding that intense paranoid feeling that people are always out to take your stuff. We'll be just fine without you, buddy. Why don't you just hang out in your bomb shelter with your guns and canned food and we'll keep chugging along.

Sound good?
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project much? how the hell do you get angry out of my comment?
 
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OscarB63 said:
I predict the collapse of society as those who are sucking off the govt teat increase in number to the point where the teat dries up and then they riot. I'm already stocking up on guns and ammo.
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I agree with you. But even more than that, I believe we are on the road to finding out how the erosion of character impacts a society. We are corroding from within.

And, on a happier note, I see signs that we Black people are gaining in society. I see White people deferring to
us for no obvious reason. It's almost like liberal, young Whites are trying to finally, once and for all time, right
the scales of past racial injustice.

Well, I DEFINITELY want to be in line to get my reparations. What is it, 20 Acres and a mule?

I'll take it!

:)
 
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marsden said:
Well, I DEFINITELY want to be in line to get my reparations. What is it, 20 Acres and a mule?
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There won't be any money available for reparations after we increase defense spending to pay for the upcoming war with Iran.
 
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johnny_rebson said:
There won't be any money available for reparations after we increase defense spending to pay for the upcoming war with Iran.
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we spent all the reparations money on welfare, food stamps and obamaphones ;)
 
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Reparations would make things worse for blacks in terms of discrimination IMHO, especially considering the ill-effects of lingering inter-generational poverty in a substantial portion of the black community.
 
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OscarB63 said:
project much? how the hell do you get angry out of my comment?
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Because you said you think society is sucking off the teat of government and you are prepared for rioting with ammo?

What's not paranoid and angry about that? Scroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooge. LOL
 
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OscarB63 said:
we spent all the reparations money on welfare, food stamps and obamaphones ;)
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What kind of an idiot president would think that ObamaPhones would be a good idea?
 
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johnny_rebson said:
What kind of an idiot president would think that ObamaPhones would be a good idea?
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No such thing as an ObamaPhone. More Fox News bull****.

You guys don't get embarrassed when half the **** you say is completely made up? I loved when the slogan at the RNC was "We built that" - a slogan based off of not understanding how the English language works (or the RNC hoping their base doesn't).
 
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whysoserious said:
Because you said you think society is sucking off the teat of government and you are prepared for rioting with ammo?

What's not paranoid and angry about that? Scroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooge. LOL
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Like all those liberals in LA when things don't go their way....lmao
 
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Rocketman said:
Like all those liberals in LA when things don't go their way....lmao
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I don't even know what that means. I missed the republican talking points today, I guess. Was too busy watching the NBA and celebrating the holidays (lol war on Christmas right there calling it the holidays).
 
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whysoserious said:
I don't even know what that means. I missed the republican talking points today, I guess. Was too busy watching the NBA and celebrating the holidays (lol war on Christmas right there calling it the holidays).
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So we know what you were talking out before, thanks
 
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whysoserious said:
No such thing as an ObamaPhone. More Fox News bull****.

You guys don't get embarrassed when half the **** you say is completely made up? I loved when the slogan at the RNC was "We built that" - a slogan based off of not understanding how the English language works (or the RNC hoping their base doesn't).
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My 78 year old Mother has an Obama-phone.

So, it's not BS at all, is it?

Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.
 
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marsden said:
My 78 year old Mother has an Obama-phone.

So, it's not BS at all, is it?

Looks like you don't know what you're talking about.
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snopes.com: Free 'ObamaPhones' for Welfare Recipients
PolitiFact | Adam Putnam: Obama campaign gives free cell phones to supporters
The Myth of the 'Obama Phone' - ABC News
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2012/09/28/crazy-for-obama-phones-but-are-they-for-real/

Read up, Johnny. It's complete horse****. Turn off Limbaugh, turn off Fox News, and use your own head. It works a lot better and you'll find your outlook on life will improve drastically. Good luck with that.
 
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