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'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Lolz, so you're saying it does exist but only when the person claiming it isn't in your face about it.
I only assume that by *IT* you are talking about a SPECIFIC problem that you just interjected into the conversation before anyone else in the conversation had brought it up..... In the form of linking studies.




Here is a post card of The Nile:
Im sorry you can't seem to accept common sense. A study that shows a disparity amongst racial groups does not prove RACISM it only shows a racial disparity. One has to make an assumption to LEAP in LOGIC from Point A to point C without anything else getting them there than their imagination to assume that the reason for the disparity is racism rather than something else.

If you can prove to me that racism is the reason for the disparities listed, I'll retract my comment.

But Im willing to bet you can't prove that racism is the reason.... you have to assume it... WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Nigerians are actually a pretty successful minority in the states. Though I think it would be misplaced to assume that this means 'racism" doesn't exist. being that there are going to be various "legacies" from particular historical practices, be it cultural, economic, or educational.

Nigerians are successful for the same reason Italians have been. Not having to deal with things like slavery and Jim Crow has helped, but it's mostly because they are distrustful of other groups. They keep businesses owned by Nigerians and run by them with very little outsourcing. It's a privilege that blacks from this country never really got to enjoy until after the 60s.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

It's different because the factors leading up to it are different.

The factors behind it.

Because the factors aren't the same.

What are the factors and how do they effect the outcome?

Or is it that some groups just get an instant "pass".
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

how can "some blacks" be a generalization about a race?
I misquoted, I had like 3 tabs open for this thread and I was getting confused about who I was quoting.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

I only assume that by *IT* you are talking about a SPECIFIC problem that you just interjected into the conversation before anyone else in the conversation had brought it up..... In the form of linking studies.

No, I'm saying that you think racism exists but as long as it's some far away statistic you can live in denial about.

Im sorry you can't seem to accept common sense. A study that shows a disparity amongst racial groups does not prove RACISM

Who says it does? It's simply one more piece of evidence in 100 years of race based sociological studies started by W.E.B. Du Bois. :shrug: It's kind of like saying that 1 dinosaur proves evolution. It doesn't. It's the millions of other pieces of information which looked at together that prove it.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

From what I understand, your argument basically says this, step-by-step:

1. prominent black people are in prominent positions, therefore racism no longer exists
2. but racism obviously still exists, that is a fact
3. therefore the only conclusion is that humans are inherently racist

I'm not coming up with a long, drawn out argument because, number one, I find this argument hilarious, and number two, it's not as simple and black-and-white as saying "racism is either entirely non-existent, or it is inherent in our being".

So, my question is, what do we do to stop that racism, considering your argument about racism being innate?
It is not hilarious, you are just not understanding or representing it correctly. By simplifying it, you are destroying the argument. You cannot minimize complex problems when presenting them.

If racism is innate, as in, part of our very human essence... then there is nothing you can do about it. Just like you cannot remove humanity's need to sleep, eat, piss, feel cold or warm or anything else that is a natural reponse... you cannot remove racism. You can go on hunger strikes and last weeks but you cave eventually, you can ignore the cold and suffer the consequences, you can even subdue racism. But because it is a normal, natural thing, it will always come out. Therefore, criticizing it is to criticize the human condition and to attack it is to attack human nature itself. And you cannot win. And the beauty of this is that if this is true, then in this case, Jamie fox is a racist. The liberals are the most racist individuals and not just that, but the most inhumane of individuals, almost all the politically active movie stars are also behaving in an inhumane fashion and the world as we know ,from this standpoint, is all wrong and we need to see a different angle to diminishing its effects because the way we are doing things NOW doesn't work and will never work. It will just make things worse.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Nigerians are actually a pretty successful minority in the states. Though I think it would be misplaced to assume that this means 'racism" doesn't exist. being that there are going to be various "legacies" from particular historical practices, be it cultural, economic, or educational.

Its funny...

Most REAL "African-Americans" that I have met have a great positive attitude, and I've never heard them complaint of non-existant racism in their lives or allow the idea of racism to get them down.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

What are the factors and how do they effect the outcome?

Or is it that some groups just get an instant "pass".

How the group arrives in the country, government policies, war-time policies, economic conditions etc. If you'd like I can suggest a few universities with great sociological departments. You should take a course.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

I'm simply stating your past behavior in these debates. You have nothing other than denial and weak arguments of personal experience as if they mean anything compared to empirical evidence. :shrug:

my favorite artists are barry manilow, george strait, and ODB.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

It is not hilarious, you are just not understanding or representing it correctly. By simplifying it, you are destroying the argument. You cannot minimize complex problems when presenting them.

If racism is innate, as in, part of our very human essence... then there is nothing you can do about it. Just like you cannot remove humanity's need to sleep, eat, piss, feel cold or warm or anything else that is a natural reponse... you cannot remove racism. You can go on hunger strikes and last weeks but you cave eventually, you can ignore the cold and suffer the consequences, you can even subdue racism. But because it is a normal, natural thing, it will always come out. Therefore, criticizing it is to criticize the human condition and to attack it is to attack human nature itself. And you cannot win. And the beauty of this is that if this is true, then in this case, Jamie fox is a racist. The liberals are the most racist individuals and not just that, but the most inhumane of individuals, almost all the politically active movie stars are also behaving in an inhumane fashion and the world as we know ,from this standpoint, is all wrong and we need to see a different angle to diminishing its effects because the way we are doing things NOW doesn't work and will never work. It will just make things worse.
So you believe there really is nothing we can do about it? That's depressing to me.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

How the group arrives in the country, government policies, war-time policies, economic conditions etc. If you'd like I can suggest a few universities with great sociological departments. You should take a course.

Not only sociology, but African American History as well . . . it's really good stuff.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

my favorite artists are barry manilow, george strait, and ODB.

I love George Strait. I really do. Black people love him. No bull****. Go into a barbershop in Chicago and you'll find one of his records right next to 50 Cent and Anita Baker.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

I'm simply stating your past behavior in these debates. You have nothing other than denial and weak arguments of personal experience as if they mean anything compared to empirical evidence. :shrug:

What empirical evidence?

I am not denying there are racial disparities in specific instances of statistical analysis.

I am denying that it immediately equals racism without evidence that racism is the reason for the disparity.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Nigerians are successful for the same reason Italians have been. Not having to deal with things like slavery and Jim Crow has helped, but it's mostly because they are distrustful of other groups. They keep businesses owned by Nigerians and run by them with very little outsourcing. It's a privilege that blacks from this country never really got to enjoy until after the 60s.

I could see that having a pretty big impact, but how would that account for their academic success? I'm pretty sure even when studies take into account income and education level of the parents, AA students heavily under perform.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

And are you just going to excuse it with a "Not all marginalization is the same" or are you going to ask the important question.

Why is it different? What Makes it different? WHY is it not the same?
I don't "excuse" anything. And I've already asked and answered those questions out of pure curiosity because I'm educated on the subject. Maybe you should educate yourself so that you can look back and laugh at yourself for all of startlingly uninformed things you spew in threads about race and racism.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

So you believe there really is nothing we can do about it? That's depressing to me.

But we really are doing something about it . . . it is just a slow process. In 1964 a black woman marrying a white guy was illegal in many places. The thought of a black, or "Half" Black President was unimaginable . . . there weren't blacks in some colleges let alone an African American curriculum available. It's changing . . . it still needs a little push, but it is changing. It took over 300-years (yes I said 300-years) to get here . . . but it is getting better.

Even if it is at the expense of us poor little white folk.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

So you believe there really is nothing we can do about it? That's depressing to me.

Well, I'm not the one who you need to blame. Blame jamie fox. Blame human nature. Blame the world. Just don't blame me. I'm just presenting my observations.

And the only thing we can do is look to it from a different perspective. A different angle. What we are doing now is not working. Ofc, not you and I. I mean at a macro, institutional level. There is nothing you or I can do as private individuals.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Because our system is unfortunately built in such a way that white people already start out a couple of steps ahead, and it's easier for them to walk up the stairs, but harder for others to do so. It's not a cop out, it's the inconvenient truth of the matter.
So a trailer park white person is a couple steps ahead of Micheal Jordan's kids? Bull****.




What happens when that white person steps outside of that group? Do they continue to experience it? Does it follow them? I'm someone who believes you should be proud of who you are, but at the same time people of color carry a certain burden that white people don't have to. If you feel discriminated among a group of people of color for 10 minutes, imagine having to deal with that for the rest of your life.
Why do you assume white people don't have to deal with racism from blacks for the rest of their lives any more or less than blacks have to deal with racism for the rest of theirs?
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

What empirical evidence?

I am not denying there are racial disparities in specific instances of statistical analysis.

I am denying that it immediately equals racism without evidence that racism is the reason for the disparity.

Of course you don't. Because that would force you to admit that generational consequences really do exist. It's why we leave research and academic works to people who understand it. Seriously though, there are literally thousands upon thousands of papers written on the very real effects of racism in the US. Even more on race relations in the US. Sociology and history are pretty wide fields. They examine not just race but also how class, sex are treated throughout history and what the effects of the treatment is. Relatively recently there is a new rising field on the effects discrimination has had on people with physical disabilities. It's fascinating to see just how groups regardless of race have been treated and how their current conditions are not sudden but drawn out over long periods. For example, the U.S. South has been poorer than the North for nearly 100 years directly because of the US civil war. Government policies as well as simple bad luck had a role in it all.

But this is all moot. It's not my point to educate you. I'm fully aware of the magnitude of the subject I'm debating. You're still asking mediocre questions in order to live in denial.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

No, I'm saying that you think racism exists but as long as it's some far away statistic you can live in denial about.



Who says it does? It's simply one more piece of evidence in 100 years of race based sociological studies started by W.E.B. Du Bois. :shrug: It's kind of like saying that 1 dinosaur proves evolution. It doesn't. It's the millions of other pieces of information which looked at together that prove it.


So because there is a long history of disparities there exists racism?

So no need to look for the CURRENT CAUSE of said disparities..... just as long as they exist then it is instant racism?
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

How the group arrives in the country, government policies, war-time policies, economic conditions etc. If you'd like I can suggest a few universities with great sociological departments. You should take a course.

Sociology? No thanks.

Sociology is the study of how whitey is evil based on statistics that make assumptions without supporting evidence for said assumptions.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

So a trailer park white person is a couple steps ahead of Micheal Jordan's kids? Bull****.

Why do you assume white people don't have to deal with racism from blacks for the rest of their lives any more or less than blacks have to deal with racism for the rest of theirs?

Mike Jordan's kids are an exceptional exception. And really, do black people hold so many positions of power that they can say we white people are inferior to them? Poor white people.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Sociology? No thanks.

Sociology is the study of how whitey is evil based on statistics that make assumptions without supporting evidence for said assumptions.

That sounds (so to speak) very uneducated. Sorry, but it does.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Well, I'm not the one who you need to blame. Blame jamie fox. Blame human nature. Blame the world. Just don't blame me. I'm just presenting my observations.
What does this have to do with blame? I'm not wanting someone to blame, I'm just saying, whether you think racism is inherent or not, it's still something we need to prevent as much as possible, just as with things like murder, sexism, oppresion and other stuff. I know it's impossible to completely remove racism, we aren't a perfect species, but we at least strive to be better.

And the only thing we can do is look to it from a different perspective. A different angle. What we are doing now is not working. Ofc, not you and I. I mean at a macro, institutional level. There is nothing you or I can do as private individuals.
Well, we can definitely start organizations, support groups, promote education, promote awareness, and just encourage general good. No, there's nothing we can do as individuals, but when we come together, there is almost too much to do.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

I finally figured it out . . . Jamie Foxx and all those elite black people are perpetrating a fraud against the white man to keep the white man down.
 
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